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Learning & News => For Beginners => Basic questions about this forum => Topic started by: Ambatman on March 23, 2025, 07:00:30 PM
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As the title entail. I don't know if another has been in this situation but I recently accidently gave someone a negative karma while scrolling with my mobile and had to give back a positive karma to cancel out.
What am trying to say is
It's quite easy to accidently click on karma + or - because it's just in the screen and doesn't show anything to make sure you sure.
I hope what I posted is understandable
What are your thoughts?
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Nothing to be worry about mate. No one’s gonna bite you. Every one of us has accidentally given negative karma to someone and quickly reverted it back. If you gave positive karma after the accidental negative one, you should be just fine. The karma count wouldn't change.
I remembered, I once accidentally gave Royse negative karma, Lol... ::)
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If you accidentally give a negative karma which I have done multiple times - if you click on the Positive karma it doesn’t just cancel out the negative karma you accidentally gave, instead it cancels it and also adds one extra karma to that user.
What are your thoughts?
It’s not a big deal actually, if the user receives both negative karma and positive karma notifications assuming they are making use of the telegram bots they should be able to decipher that it was an accident and from the time difference between both notifications whoever made the mistake corrected it instantly.
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It’s not a big deal actually, if the user receives both negative karma and positive karma notifications assuming they are making use of the telegram bots they should be able to decipher that it was an accident and from the time difference between both notifications whoever made the mistake corrected it instantly.
What about a situation where you don't know who you gave?
I remembered, I once accidentally gave Royse negative karma, Lol... ::)
Lol Wow. I guess accidentally giving negative karma is a common thing.
Off topic : any idea on the limit of karma one can send in a day?
I'm quite open handed if I find the post to my liking since there's no perceived limitation like merit.
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What about a situation where you don't know who you gave?
Well, that becomes a whole different issue entirely - the forum doesn’t any means for you to check the people you gave karma to whether positive or negative karma so I don’t see how this can be fixed, except the admin decides to add a section where you have to confirm that you actually want to give the negative karma - that could fix this issue.
But as for the past cases where you gave karma but can’t recall who the user was - I’m afraid there’s nothing that can be done - as far as I know.
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Off topic : any idea on the limit of karma one can send in a day?
I'm quite open handed if I find the post to my liking since there's no perceived limitation like merit.
I don’t know about the daily limit but I can still recall that there a 10 hours limit before you can send karma again to the same user.
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It happens most of the time to me, but when I noticed what I've done, I simply put back their positive karma. Theres nothing wrong. I guess some of the complains we get on the forum about karma reducing for no reason might be something relating to this.
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It is fine that you noticed that you accidentally gave -1 and immediately gave a counter +1. It would have been a problem if you didn't realise you clicked -1, which I believe doesn't happen. Atleast for either -1 or +1 to happen, there must be a click.
I encountered this issue in another way. I wanted to give +1 and mistakenly gave -1, then I had to counter it with +1, then I tried giving the original +1 I intended to give, but the system won't allow me till 10hrs. And before then, I must have forgotten.
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I encountered this issue in another way. I wanted to give +1 and mistakenly gave -1, then I had to counter it with +1, then I tried giving the original +1 I intended to give, but the system won't allow me till 10hrs. And before then, I must have forgotten.
If the system doesn't allow you give +karma to someone, it means you just gave it. The same with -karma.
When you give -karma by a mistake and then you give +karma, it gives +2 karma: +1 to compensate the negative 1 and another +1 as if you gave +karma from the beginning.
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When you give -karma by a mistake and then you give +karma, it gives +2 karma: +1 to compensate the negative 1 and another +1 as if you gave +karma from the beginning.
This has never happened to me, so this is really new information to me, and I haven't personally read it anywhere, so it's good that you shared it with everyone publicly. It would be even better if, before karma is awarded, each user were asked if they were sure they wanted to perform such an action - and that way, such mistakes would be minimized.
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Yes the subject has said it all. And it happens, though I have not done it but someone has complain it before. And it is good to put a warning box like merit in the other forum when you want to send karma. There should be a pop up box to warn you if really you want to send karma to this user. Though what you did is not wrong and as you have resend the karma back to the person, all have been settled.
But when you have mistaken given someone -karma, you can't just give the person +karma immediately, though I have not tried it but I am saying because when you give karma, you can't give the person immediately again and you have to wait for another 10 hours.
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When you give -karma by a mistake and then you give +karma, it gives +2 karma: +1 to compensate the negative 1 and another +1 as if you gave +karma from the beginning.
This has never happened to me, so this is really new information to me, and I haven't personally read it anywhere, so it's good that you shared it with everyone publicly. It would be even better if, before karma is awarded, each user were asked if they were sure they wanted to perform such an action - and that way, such mistakes would be minimized.
I noticed this and that's what I am going to mention here as well but there's a problem with it. If we gave that -Karma accidentally and have no intention of giving positive or negative then we have no way to cancel out that mistake, it can either be +1 or -! from that point.
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But when you have mistaken given someone -karma, you can't just give the person +karma immediately, though I have not tried it but I am saying because when you give karma, you can't give the person immediately again and you have to wait for another 10 hours.
You can, it is how the problem is usually solved: just after you mistakenly gave -karma tap +karma, it will work and the person will have 1 karma more than he had before you mistakenly gave him -karma. You can't give -karma twice to the same user or +karma twice to the same user.
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I encountered this issue in another way. I wanted to give +1 and mistakenly gave -1, then I had to counter it with +1, then I tried giving the original +1 I intended to give, but the system won't allow me till 10hrs. And before then, I must have forgotten.
If the system doesn't allow you give +karma to someone, it means you just gave it. The same with -karma.
When you give -karma by a mistake and then you give +karma, it gives +2 karma: +1 to compensate the negative 1 and another +1 as if you gave +karma from the beginning.
Oh nice... If it's this way, I have nothing to worry about. I had always thought that if I mistakenly give -1 and immediately click +1, I was only able to counter the -1.
The program is written in such a way that if there is - and + click within an n-second, the system will treat it as special case of mistake.
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When negative karma would have been an issue is that, if it actually showed that a user has a negative karma on their profile on this misconduct like the way in the other forum.
Like the way it is here, if you, a user, are given a negative karma, what it will do is subtract the karma they already have; other users won't know a negative karma was given to a user.
In this kind of case, nothing is to worry about negative karma given to someone because it can't be undone, except you gave positive karma to counter it.
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But when you have mistaken given someone -karma, you can't just give the person +karma immediately, though I have not tried it but I am saying because when you give karma, you can't give the person immediately again and you have to wait for another 10 hours.
You can, it is how the problem is usually solved: just after you mistakenly gave -karma tap +karma, it will work and the person will have 1 karma more than he had before you mistakenly gave him -karma. You can't give -karma twice to the same user or +karma twice to the same user.
Okay noted thanks for this. I was thinking that it is not possible because it is not working with + karma twice at a go but as for the -karma I have not tried it twice. I have not given someone -karma twice a go. But to trying to give positive karma twi when I see a good posts but it is it is not going and a pop up box will pay to tell you that I have to wait for another 10 hours. Men that is long period of time so I only give once a day next I can't wait to do that.
I have other things doing in offline and other online activities even other forums too.
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I noticed this and that's what I am going to mention here as well but there's a problem with it. If we gave that -Karma accidentally and have no intention of giving positive or negative then we have no way to cancel out that mistake, it can either be +1 or -! from that point.
You can comeback later after the cooldown to cancel out the extra +karma given accidentally. Yeah, it's not something most members would do because it's easily forgotten but that's the only way I could think of. You probably would not remember who you gave it too after 10 hours.
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You can comeback later after the cooldown to cancel out the extra +karma given accidentally. Yeah, it's not something most members would do because it's easily forgotten but that's the only way I could think of. You probably would not remember who you gave it too after 10 hours.
If you gave someone +karma accidentally, it is not a problem that should be solved IMO. If the one is a good poster, then one karma more is not a problem. If the one is a bad poster, he'll get -karma from others and later even negative badges. So some occasional accidental +karma should not be a problem.
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You can comeback later after the cooldown to cancel out the extra +karma given accidentally. Yeah, it's not something most members would do because it's easily forgotten but that's the only way I could think of. You probably would not remember who you gave it too after 10 hours.
If you gave someone +karma accidentally, it is not a problem that should be solved IMO. If the one is a good poster, then one karma more is not a problem. If the one is a bad poster, he'll get -karma from others and later even negative badges. So some occasional accidental +karma should not be a problem.
I would not bother myself for give an accident +1 but I will bother if I give accidental -1. I believe in rewarding the good in order to have more good people that punishing the bad to scare bad doers. I hardly hand a -ve karma, unless for an obvious spammer who writes generic low value posts.
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Wish this wasn't there in the first place but unfortunately we have to live with it as its part of the Altcointalks DNA and how things run around here.
Good to see you countered the negative karma with a positive one.
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if in the accident you still remember the username of the person you gave negative karma to, the easiest way is to give him positive karma again .. it will produce karma+ for him, and it is better than you hurt his heart ...
for example, someone with username A has karma 100 ... when you accidentally press negative karma on his post, then his karma will become 99 .. but as soon as possible when you press karma+ for username A, then his karma will become 101 ... unfortunately it can not return to 100 again unless someone gives the opposite karma from another user.
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As the title entail. I don't know if another has been in this situation but I recently accidently gave someone a negative karma while scrolling with my mobile and had to give back a positive karma to cancel out.
What am trying to say is
It's quite easy to accidently click on karma + or - because it's just in the screen and doesn't show anything to make sure you sure.
I hope what I posted is understandable
What are your thoughts?
I understand perfectly what you mean because I have also made this same mistake once or twice or even more times in the past, and each time I made this mistake, I did exactly what you did to cancel the Negative Karma.
And i also know that you are not the first the person creating this a thread concerning this issue, I also have created a thread as regards to this same issue in the past, and this still is one areas the forum needs some improvement.
But then, we all have to be patient since admin is also trying his best to ensure the forum is running smoothly at all times with no or minimal downtime, I believe that in the future, the admin will install a small pop-up confirmation screen for user to confirm whether or not they want to proceed with sending a positive or negative karma, this will solve this whole issue of mistakenly giving another user karma..
+karma to you.
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I don't remember where a similar topic was discussed. I mean, if a user accidentally clicks the Negative Karma button, of course, as everyone knows, the mistake can be rectified by clicking the Positive Karma button afterwards.
I didn't like this solution, and at the time, I proposed the idea of adding code to display a confirmation message, "Are you sure?", when the Negative Karma button is clicked. In my opinion, this solution would be more effective, but it would, of course, require reprogramming the pages to include the code.
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If you accidentally give a negative karma which I have done multiple times - if you click on the Positive karma it doesn’t just cancel out the negative karma you accidentally gave, instead it cancels it and also adds one extra karma to that user.
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I once happened like OP, more precisely when I scrolled the Altcounstalks website page and wanted to see a member's profile. When I will click on the member profile but I click the negative karma (-) because I loaded the internet (at that time I opened the Altcoinstalks forum in the reality work near the forest).
At that time, I did not want to extend the problem and finally I gave the positive karma (+) to the member so that it would occur neutral (there was no additional karma or karma reduction).
This incident had been a long time, I had forgotten a little but as I recall when I was promoted when I became a Senior Member and at that time I saw the negative and positive karma column in every user's post.
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What am trying to say is
It's quite easy to accidently click on karma + or - because it's just in the screen and doesn't show anything to make sure you sure.
I hope what I posted is understandable
What are your thoughts?
I suggested many times on forum related sections that we should at least have another notification or warning pop-up window that asks for confirmation about giving both, negative and positive karma. I also once gave negative karma to someone and to manage I have to give 2 positive karma one to manage and one I was going to give already.
Hmm, if I remembered to give the 2nd one ???
Well, we need a confirmation system in place before hitting a karma, otherwise what if we accidentally gave negative karma to a person who had zero karma, their courage might break by seeing a negative karma.
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What am trying to say is
It's quite easy to accidently click on karma + or - because it's just in the screen and doesn't show anything to make sure you sure.
I hope what I posted is understandable
What are your thoughts?
I suggested many times on forum related sections that we should at least have another notification or warning pop-up window that asks for confirmation about giving both, negative and positive karma. I also once gave negative karma to someone and to manage I have to give 2 positive karma one to manage and one I was going to give already.
Hmm, if I remembered to give the 2nd one ???
Well, we need a confirmation system in place before hitting a karma, otherwise what if we accidentally gave negative karma to a person who had zero karma, their courage might break by seeing a negative karma.
Not necessary, in my opinion. It would just waste everyone's precious time. I once proposed this same idea in BTT but later realized it would only create unnecessary hassle for other members after reading a reply from LoyceV.
Of course, the traffic isn't that great here. As a result, the karma transactions aren't significant! But when the situation changes, it could create problems. Tbh, I don't think accidental transactions are a big deal! You can always positive karma to counter that. It's not a permanent thing like merit.
What should be done (if possible) is to make changes to the karma button, I guess adjust its size or change its position.
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As the title entail. I don't know if another has been in this situation but I recently accidently gave someone a negative karma while scrolling with my mobile and had to give back a positive karma to cancel out.
What am trying to say is
It's quite easy to accidently click on karma + or - because it's just in the screen and doesn't show anything to make sure you sure.
I hope what I posted is understandable
What are your thoughts?
I have been in this situation for so many time but on other forums and once i detected for such, then i quickly withdrew it and replace with the appropriate one, if you have given someone a karma by mistake and you're aware of it, then try as quick as possible to reverse it, that settles the case, don't just leave it without acting upon it, because for no reason have you given it to another person, except if you're not even aware and it happens at your subconsciousness.
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Which regards to the button, I think it's perfectly so I do not think that it need changes.
And everyone makes a mistakes and it's good that we can negate that negative karma with a positive one. And the good thing is that the OP try to address this issue and open this thread because of his honest mistakes so there's no need to worry.
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If you accidentally give a negative karma which I have done multiple times - if you click on the Positive karma it doesn’t just cancel out the negative karma you accidentally gave, instead it cancels it and also adds one extra karma to that user.
yeah so if a user had 100 karma then you gave him negative karma, it will go down to 99 but if you give positive karma the user's karma will go to 101 and so if you are trying to make up for the negative karma you accidentally gave then you shouldnt worry because you certainly can
It’s not a big deal actually, if the user receives both negative karma and positive karma notifications assuming they are making use of the telegram bots they should be able to decipher that it was an accident and from the time difference between both notifications whoever made the mistake corrected it instantly.
honestly i also do not think we should worry much if you are receiving negative karma once a week maybe it is just some of your posts disagree with other people it is not that worrying because we all have different opinions but if you are getting negative karma every day then it is a pattern and maybe there is nothing you are saying that anyone agrees with
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honestly i also do not think we should worry much if you are receiving negative karma once a week maybe it is just some of your posts disagree with other people it is not that worrying because we all have different opinions but if you are getting negative karma every day then it is a pattern and maybe there is nothing you are saying that anyone agrees with
This can happen, but I think that I should remind that giving -karma just for any opinion is incorrect way of using karma system. -Karma is for bad behavior: someone is too rude with others, posts low quality posts just to increase his post count, spamms and doing something inappropriate like that. Not just for unpopular opinion.
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With the comments of most users on OP's topic it is clear that the giver of the -karma has to correct his mistake by himself.
Then how about the user ends up feelings its his mistake and probably forgets to rectify and just continues in the forum that way, would there be a penalty for such user?
Or the user given the -karma is just left to continue with the gift he didn't deserve?
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Or the user given the -karma is just left to continue with the gift he didn't deserve?
Paying too much attention to occasional -karma is not the thing you should focus on. As long as we get much more +karma than once in a while -karma, it is not a problem which is worth discussing. Just don't think about it too much! ;)
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Not necessary, in my opinion. It would just waste everyone's precious time. I once proposed this same idea in BTT but later realized it would only create unnecessary hassle for other members after reading a reply from LoyceV.
Of course, the traffic isn't that great here. As a result, the karma transactions aren't significant! But when the situation changes, it could create problems. Tbh, I don't think accidental transactions are a big deal! You can always positive karma to counter that. It's not a permanent thing like merit.
What should be done (if possible) is to make changes to the karma button, I guess adjust its size or change its position.
You are right it will create some hassle but I did not get how it can be unnecessary, can you mention what loyceV said, if that's easy for you?
Well, you are right about countering this issue is very easy to give positive karma after 10 hours, but as I said, I wanted to give positive karma but gave negative karma, now that members have fewer, so after 10 hours I gave +1 karma which equals the matter but still if I forget to give the +1 the second time which that person deserved in the first place then that's unfair.
So, in my opinion it should not be a big hassle, to add a simple notification system, If you really want to give negative karma, this would be better. This problem is different from BTT, as there is no negative karma thing there or negative merit.
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You are right it will create some hassle but I did not get how it can be unnecessary, can you mention what loyceV said, if that's easy for you?
Well, you are right about countering this issue is very easy to give positive karma after 10 hours, but as I said, I wanted to give positive karma but gave negative karma, now that members have fewer, so after 10 hours I gave +1 karma which equals the matter but still if I forget to give the +1 the second time which that person deserved in the first place then that's unfair.
So, in my opinion it should not be a big hassle, to add a simple notification system, If you really want to give negative karma, this would be better. This problem is different from BTT, as there is no negative karma thing there or negative merit.
Sorry mate! I don't remember exactly when or where! It was long ago! I don't remember the topic name! You can try searching it in BTT, but I guess it isn't worth your time.
All I could remember is that he said it would bring other problems for the merit sources. Because they generate a lot of merits each months! And if you do the math, even if a double confirmation takes 0.5 seconds, imagine how much time it would take! Of course there aren't any source here in alt and we don't give away thousands of merits/karmas here!
Another important point is that merits are permanent, once given no taking it back. So if this idea was proposed in the other forum, it would be valid at some point. But here, even if you accidentally give -karma you can counter it with +karma! So I don't think an extra step is really necessary!
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Well, you are right about countering this issue is very easy to give positive karma after 10 hours, but as I said, I wanted to give positive karma but gave negative karma, now that members have fewer, so after 10 hours I gave +1 karma which equals the matter but still if I forget to give the +1 the second time which that person deserved in the first place then that's unfair.
This was noted several times in this topic: you don't need to wait any time to give +karma after you accidentally gave -karma. You can do it immediately and the problem will be solved the same time. ???
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Not necessary, in my opinion. It would just waste everyone's precious time. I once proposed this same idea in BTT but later realized it would only create unnecessary hassle for other members after reading a reply from LoyceV.
Of course, the traffic isn't that great here. As a result, the karma transactions aren't significant! But when the situation changes, it could create problems. Tbh, I don't think accidental transactions are a big deal! You can always positive karma to counter that. It's not a permanent thing like merit.
What should be done (if possible) is to make changes to the karma button, I guess adjust its size or change its position.
You are right it will create some hassle but I did not get how it can be unnecessary, can you mention what loyceV said, if that's easy for you?
Well, you are right about countering this issue is very easy to give positive karma after 10 hours, but as I said, I wanted to give positive karma but gave negative karma, now that members have fewer, so after 10 hours I gave +1 karma which equals the matter but still if I forget to give the +1 the second time which that person deserved in the first place then that's unfair.
So, in my opinion it should not be a big hassle, to add a simple notification system, If you really want to give negative karma, this would be better. This problem is different from BTT, as there is no negative karma thing there or negative merit.
Your point is perfect, but when the negative karma is being removed from the karma space then a lot of rules will be abuse and some users who abuse the rules won’t be seen by the Admin cause admin and other officials might be busy, so another user might see the issue and rules which such user is abusing how can he punish the user only by the negative karma but what if the negative karma isn’t available then the user who is abusing the rules and regulations will be scot free so unfair right.
Every thing on forum has it own personal use and how it important to the forum some rules might get disobey which ain’t really worth reporting the easiest thing to do is just to give negative karma for the user to know how to amend his/her way and take correction.
And about the karma being more faster and not taking long to give same user karma not taking that 10 hours long then if the time is adjust then many user will definitely abuse the karma and it will really be a bad way to the forum and that ain’t proper. I don’t see anything wrong with the karma activity, I guess the user that missed your karma which was unfair you can definitely give the user whom deserves it now since you have recall. I don’t know maybe you get my point.
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This was noted several times in this topic: you don't need to wait any time to give +karma after you accidentally gave -karma. You can do it immediately and the problem will be solved the same time. ???
Oh, I did not notice this. Thanks for this information, as I thought if we gave either negative or positive karma, we couldn't give another either positive or negative for 10 hours. That's why I never tried, as I made this mistake maybe one or two times, as I was using my mobile, and I mistakenly clicked on the negative karma button instead of the positive one.
And about the karma being more faster and not taking long to give same user karma not taking that 10 hours long then if the time is adjust then many user will definitely abuse the karma and it will really be a bad way to the forum and that ain’t proper. I don’t see anything wrong with the karma activity, I guess the user that missed your karma which was unfair you can definitely give the user whom deserves it now since you have recall. I don’t know maybe you get my point.
Jokers just pointed out that if we gave negative karma to anyone, we can quickly give positive karma and the matter wil be closed, so if we want to give positive karma again, for that I think we have to wait 10 hours, which is a good time, and as I said, I liked this system. Speaking of spam and admins and mods being busy, that's not a thing, they are very active whenever someone is abusing karma, they deal it ASAP I have seen.
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Sorry mate! I don't remember exactly when or where! It was long ago! I don't remember the topic name! You can try searching it in BTT, but I guess it isn't worth your time.
All I could remember is that he said it would bring other problems for the merit sources. Because they generate a lot of merits each months! And if you do the math, even if a double confirmation takes 0.5 seconds, imagine how much time it would take! Of course there aren't any source here in alt and we don't give away thousands of merits/karmas here!
Another important point is that merits are permanent, once given no taking it back. So if this idea was proposed in the other forum, it would be valid at some point. But here, even if you accidentally give -karma you can counter it with +karma! So I don't think an extra step is really necessary!
You make a very good point, and thanks for explaining the words of LoyceV. Now I don't have to search for it, as I get the point. It can really be troublesome for many merit givers here, but maybe not, as I can be wrong, as I have not experienced this but people also receive 10 or 5 positive karma as a reward, and I guess the giver is obviously some moderator or at some post can do it at once and doesn't have to manually confirm it so no time wasting.
But yeah, it is not a big problem that needs to be solved right away as the admin said he works 25 hours a day haha, so we should not bring him unnecessary work, plus I just came to realize we don't have to wait 10 hours to give positive karma, we can do it instantly to balance the karma.
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You are right it will create some hassle but I did not get how it can be unnecessary, can you mention what loyceV said, if that's easy for you?
Lol..
After going through hundreds of thousands of posts and pages, I finally found that specific reply from loyceV. And what he said here about people normalizing the double confirmation is actually true.
Please don't!
People will get used to it, and click it without thinking. All in all it would just double the number of clicks required to send sMerit. As the sender of 13734+ sMerit transactions, I don't want to add even a second to each one. That would have been 4 hours already!
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Lol..
After going through hundreds of thousands of posts and pages, I finally found that specific reply from loyceV. And what he said here about people normalizing the double confirmation is actually true.
I got your point in the last post but thanks for still finding this reply of him and sharing here +1 for the effort, although things are very different on both forums, as he give that much merits let's say if giving 1 merit to each individual, then it will surely add more time, but on altt we can add a notification system and could also add another option to turn it off and turn it on in forum setting.
New features like this could be very handy, but as many members already explained we don't need this that much because unlike BTT we can manage the accidental positive or negative karma instantly only if we found out that we gave + or -
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As the title entail. I don't know if another has been in this situation but I recently accidently gave someone a negative karma while scrolling with my mobile and had to give back a positive karma to cancel out.
What am trying to say is
It's quite easy to accidently click on karma + or - because it's just in the screen and doesn't show anything to make sure you sure.
I hope what I posted is understandable
What are your thoughts?
I have also tried to give positive karma before and when I’m sending it, I mistakenly sent a negative one. When you immediately click back on the positive karma, it’ll cancel the negative karma back to the initial karma you have and then an extra one will be added. I don’t know if it works in this same manner when you don’t click black the positive karma button immediately and waited for a longer time, but negative karma are cancelled out immediately when a positive karma is followed up after a negative one given.