Accidentally gave Negative karma

[Jokers]

Or the user given the -karma is just left to continue with the gift he didn't deserve?

Paying too much attention to occasional -karma is not the thing you should focus on. As long as we get much more +karma than once in a while -karma, it is not a problem which is worth discussing. Just don't think about it too much!

[Faisal2202]

Not necessary, in my opinion. It would just waste everyone's precious time. I once proposed this same idea in BTT but later realized it would only create unnecessary hassle for other members after reading a reply from LoyceV.

Of course, the traffic isn't that great here. As a result, the karma transactions aren't significant! But when the situation changes, it could create problems. Tbh, I don't think accidental transactions are a big deal! You can always positive karma to counter that. It's not a permanent thing like merit.

What should be done (if possible) is to make changes to the karma button, I guess adjust its size or change its position.

You are right it will create some hassle but I did not get how it can be unnecessary, can you mention what loyceV said, if that's easy for you?

Well, you are right about countering this issue is very easy to give positive karma after 10 hours, but as I said, I wanted to give positive karma but gave negative karma, now that members have fewer, so after 10 hours I gave +1 karma which equals the matter but still if I forget to give the +1 the second time which that person deserved in the first place then that's unfair.

So, in my opinion it should not be a big hassle, to add a simple notification system, If you really want to give negative karma, this would be better. This problem is different from BTT, as there is no negative karma thing there or negative merit.

[DYING_S0UL]

You are right it will create some hassle but I did not get how it can be unnecessary, can you mention what loyceV said, if that's easy for you?

Well, you are right about countering this issue is very easy to give positive karma after 10 hours, but as I said, I wanted to give positive karma but gave negative karma, now that members have fewer, so after 10 hours I gave +1 karma which equals the matter but still if I forget to give the +1 the second time which that person deserved in the first place then that's unfair.

So, in my opinion it should not be a big hassle, to add a simple notification system, If you really want to give negative karma, this would be better. This problem is different from BTT, as there is no negative karma thing there or negative merit.

Sorry mate! I don't remember exactly when or where! It was long ago! I don't remember the topic name! You can try searching it in BTT, but I guess it isn't worth your time.

All I could remember is that he said it would bring other problems for the merit sources. Because they generate a lot of merits each months! And if you do the math, even if a double confirmation takes 0.5 seconds, imagine how much time it would take! Of course there aren't any source here in alt and we don't give away thousands of merits/karmas here!

Another important point is that merits are permanent, once given no taking it back. So if this idea was proposed in the other forum, it would be valid at some point. But here, even if you accidentally give -karma you can counter it with +karma! So I don't think an extra step is really necessary!

[Jokers]

Well, you are right about countering this issue is very easy to give positive karma after 10 hours, but as I said, I wanted to give positive karma but gave negative karma, now that members have fewer, so after 10 hours I gave +1 karma which equals the matter but still if I forget to give the +1 the second time which that person deserved in the first place then that's unfair.

This was noted several times in this topic: you don't need to wait any time to give +karma after you accidentally gave -karma. You can do it immediately and the problem will be solved the same time.

[Nheer]

Not necessary, in my opinion. It would just waste everyone's precious time. I once proposed this same idea in BTT but later realized it would only create unnecessary hassle for other members after reading a reply from LoyceV.

Of course, the traffic isn't that great here. As a result, the karma transactions aren't significant! But when the situation changes, it could create problems. Tbh, I don't think accidental transactions are a big deal! You can always positive karma to counter that. It's not a permanent thing like merit.

What should be done (if possible) is to make changes to the karma button, I guess adjust its size or change its position.

You are right it will create some hassle but I did not get how it can be unnecessary, can you mention what loyceV said, if that's easy for you?

Well, you are right about countering this issue is very easy to give positive karma after 10 hours, but as I said, I wanted to give positive karma but gave negative karma, now that members have fewer, so after 10 hours I gave +1 karma which equals the matter but still if I forget to give the +1 the second time which that person deserved in the first place then that's unfair.

So, in my opinion it should not be a big hassle, to add a simple notification system, If you really want to give negative karma, this would be better. This problem is different from BTT, as there is no negative karma thing there or negative merit.

Your point is perfect, but when the negative karma is being removed from the karma space then a lot of rules will be abuse and some users who abuse the rules won’t be seen by the Admin cause admin and other officials might be busy, so another user might see the issue and rules which such user is abusing how can he punish the user only by the negative karma but what if the negative karma isn’t available then the user who is abusing the rules and regulations will be scot free so unfair right.
Every thing on forum has it own personal use and how it important to the forum some rules might get disobey which ain’t really worth reporting the easiest thing to do is just to give negative karma for the user to know how to amend his/her way and take correction.
 
  And about the karma being more faster and not taking long to give same user karma not taking that 10 hours long then if the time is adjust then many user will definitely abuse the karma and it will really be a bad way to the forum and that ain’t proper. I don’t see anything wrong with the karma activity, I guess the user that missed your karma which was unfair you can definitely give the user whom deserves it now since you have recall. I don’t know maybe you get my point.

[Faisal2202]

This was noted several times in this topic: you don't need to wait any time to give +karma after you accidentally gave -karma. You can do it immediately and the problem will be solved the same time.

Oh, I did not notice this. Thanks for this information, as I thought if we gave either negative or positive karma, we couldn't give another either positive or negative for 10 hours. That's why I never tried, as I made this mistake maybe one or two times, as I was using my mobile, and I mistakenly clicked on the negative karma button instead of the positive one.

  And about the karma being more faster and not taking long to give same user karma not taking that 10 hours long then if the time is adjust then many user will definitely abuse the karma and it will really be a bad way to the forum and that ain’t proper. I don’t see anything wrong with the karma activity, I guess the user that missed your karma which was unfair you can definitely give the user whom deserves it now since you have recall. I don’t know maybe you get my point.

Jokers just pointed out that if we gave negative karma to anyone, we can quickly give positive karma and the matter wil be closed, so if we want to give positive karma again, for that I think we have to wait 10 hours, which is a good time, and as I said, I liked this system. Speaking of spam and admins and mods being busy, that's not a thing, they are very active whenever someone is abusing karma, they deal it ASAP I have seen.

[Faisal2202]

Sorry mate! I don't remember exactly when or where! It was long ago! I don't remember the topic name! You can try searching it in BTT, but I guess it isn't worth your time.

All I could remember is that he said it would bring other problems for the merit sources. Because they generate a lot of merits each months! And if you do the math, even if a double confirmation takes 0.5 seconds, imagine how much time it would take! Of course there aren't any source here in alt and we don't give away thousands of merits/karmas here!

Another important point is that merits are permanent, once given no taking it back. So if this idea was proposed in the other forum, it would be valid at some point. But here, even if you accidentally give -karma you can counter it with +karma! So I don't think an extra step is really necessary!

You make a very good point, and thanks for explaining the words of LoyceV. Now I don't have to search for it, as I get the point. It can really be troublesome for many merit givers here, but maybe not, as I can be wrong, as I have not experienced this but people also receive 10 or 5 positive karma as a reward, and I guess the giver is obviously some moderator or at some post can do it at once and doesn't have to manually confirm it so no time wasting.

But yeah, it is not a big problem that needs to be solved right away as the admin said he works 25 hours a day haha, so we should not bring him unnecessary work, plus I just came to realize we don't have to wait 10 hours to give positive karma, we can do it instantly to balance the karma.

[DYING_S0UL]

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You are right it will create some hassle but I did not get how it can be unnecessary, can you mention what loyceV said, if that's easy for you?

Lol..
After going through hundreds of thousands of posts and pages, I finally found that specific reply from loyceV. And what he said here about people normalizing the double confirmation is actually true.

Please don't!
People will get used to it, and click it without thinking. All in all it would just double the number of clicks required to send sMerit. As the sender of 13734+ sMerit transactions, I don't want to add even a second to each one. That would have been 4 hours already!

[Faisal2202]

Lol..
After going through hundreds of thousands of posts and pages, I finally found that specific reply from loyceV. And what he said here about people normalizing the double confirmation is actually true.

I got your point in the last post but thanks for still finding this reply of him and sharing here +1 for the effort, although things are very different on both forums, as he give that much merits let's say if giving 1 merit to each individual, then it will surely add more time, but on altt we can add a notification system and could also add another option to turn it off and turn it on in forum setting.

New features like this could be very handy, but as many members already explained we don't need this that much because unlike BTT we can manage the accidental positive or negative karma instantly only if we found out that we gave + or -

[Asiska02]

As the title entail. I don't know if another has been in this situation but I recently accidently gave someone a negative karma while scrolling with my mobile and had to give back a positive karma to cancel out.

What am trying to say is
It's quite easy to accidently click on karma + or - because it's just in the screen and doesn't show anything to make sure you sure.

I hope what I posted is understandable
What are your thoughts?

I have also tried to give positive karma before and when I’m sending it, I mistakenly sent a negative one. When you immediately click back on the positive karma, it’ll cancel the negative karma back to the initial karma you have and then an extra one will be added. I don’t know if it works in this same manner when you don’t click black the positive karma button immediately and waited for a longer time, but negative karma are cancelled out immediately when a positive karma is followed up after a negative one given.