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Title: Trump controls the market
Post by: Munah on April 10, 2025, 10:54:11 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Salahmu on April 10, 2025, 11:10:32 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?

Donald Trump is not in charge of Bitcoin and Bitcoin has never been dependent on him but it just happen that he is a kind of person that moves motions and people follow which in other words an influencer, so because of his ambition in Bitcoin he has made those who thought Bitcoin was not good to see another meaning to it because is just like when you feel that something is not realistic and you saw your mentor having it as his number one, so you will have no option but follow him as usual so that's why it looks as if his decision is the growth of Bitcoin.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Charles-Tim on April 11, 2025, 09:05:37 AM
if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?
I do not think bitcoin will get to $40000 for now. If bitcoin will still get to $40000, that will not be because of Trump influence on bitcoin but just the effect of bear market as it would have happened without Trump. And this will make some people that thought bitcoin price is high to see bitcoin price to be cheap and buy.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Azharul on April 11, 2025, 12:09:55 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?
Obviously, your opinion is appropriate in this time. I am also thinking that if donald trump and china can not solve this tariff war, i think that it’s big effect will be spread worldwide. I believe that donald trump also control crypto currency market, because we know that when he win in US election, bitcoin price then increase rapidly. But if we follow in this time, world war is responsible for decrease bitcoin price. But i believe that if war will finish then crypto currency market can be return previous position. So in this situation we should wait until recover crypto currency market.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Crwth on April 11, 2025, 12:20:55 PM
I believe he has a big influence on how the market will go, but not entirely on the whole market, because being an influential person can really sway individuals into following his decision.

I think it’s just his power now, knowing he is the president of the United States.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: tequilla_sunset on April 11, 2025, 12:24:27 PM
Trump doesn't control it - he affects it.

If he could control it outright, he wouldn't of started the war of tariffs in the first place.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: examplens on April 11, 2025, 12:46:52 PM
Trump doesn't control it - he affects it.
This is the most accurate.
Currently, he has the most influence that can affect the movement of the market (along with Elon Musk, of course). Unfortunately, this is by no means a good thing, there are quite a few deserving traders who pump every word to direct the market in the desired direction.
Certainly, at some point, the market will become immune to his manipulations
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on April 11, 2025, 05:26:20 PM
           -     He doesn't have the ability to control the bitcoin market in reality, but he uses his influence to give good or bad to the market. And I saw that a few days ago through the tariffs that he implemented. And until now using his influence, the market is moving with its effect.

Of course, if he influences the big people and they move in the market at the same time, the market will surely be affected now, although Trump was not the reason but the big investors in the market around the world.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Cantsay on April 11, 2025, 09:27:55 PM
Trump doesn't control it - he affects it.


This is the most proper term to use in this context - it’s true that Trump indeed has some very strong influence on the market just like what happened with his last tweets and the suspension of the tariff he imposed on the other countries with china being the only exception.

If he had total control over the market or if anyone else had that kind of power then the fates of those involved in stocks markets and crypto would have been in the hands of that person, but no one has that contro all they have is some influence that can cause the market to shift a bit.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Gurujebs on April 11, 2025, 09:42:59 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?

He is not the king, he is just a bully that is making other countries bend to his rule because he knows better that other countries rely on them but time will definitely tell if they will have that power for long. Other countries will be looking for alternative ways to avoid this king of problems in the long run.

You can't change everything overnight, even this tarrif are unnecessary high, no company, organization and business people can't cope with this percentage rage unless they want to crippled everyones economy and not only the dependent countries, US will be affected as well.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Hisbullah on April 11, 2025, 10:36:12 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?

He is not the king, he is just a bully that is making other countries bend to his rule because he knows better that other countries rely on them but time will definitely tell if they will have that power for long. Other countries will be looking for alternative ways to avoid this king of problems in the long run.

You can't change everything overnight, even this tarrif are unnecessary high, no company, organization and business people can't cope with this percentage rage unless they want to crippled everyones economy and not only the dependent countries, US will be affected as well.
As a big country, the US has made rules by raising tariffs that make other countries suffer, Trump's policy this time will make many countries rise up and fight back by raising the same tariffs for the US.
I think we need to rethink this and I heard the latest news that Trump is postponing the tariff increase.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: DaNNy001 on April 11, 2025, 10:47:20 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?

Donald trump's decision on the tariff increase I think was what caused the decline in price but that's doesn't mean he solely controls the market and there is no way he has such powers as Bitcoin is free from any Central power control and that's why it's called a decentralized market just that some series of event can fluctuate the market but not control it's movement so be rest assured Bitcoin is still active and gallant.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Mate2237 on April 11, 2025, 10:53:39 PM
I can't really say that Trump control the market but what I noticed is that Bitcoin is tied to US dollar for the market calculation so anything that affect the US dollar affect bitcoin. But that is not withstanding it is good for the market to be like this sometimes because it makes new investors to join the investment and increase the population of the bitcoin investment number. And there is a very big hope for the long term investors because after when the Tariff War has ended then the rise of bitcoin will kick start and the new All Time High price will hit the market again and should be ending of the year or early next year.

Whenever bitcoin face set back like this, there is an another great All time High is looming.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: LogitechMouse on April 12, 2025, 04:52:43 AM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?
Right now, he is, but there will be a time that his statements will have no effects towards the market anymore because investors will say "enough is enough" hence, will not make any decisions based on what he's saying. Right now, the market is reacting to his statements because he has the power, and unfortunately, many people lost money because of it although I made some.

BTC @ $40K? It will be, but it will not happen this year... or at least that's what I predict. I expect that to happen when the bear market starts.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: bettercrypto on April 12, 2025, 09:38:29 AM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?
Right now, he is, but there will be a time that his statements will have no effects towards the market anymore because investors will say "enough is enough" hence, will not make any decisions based on what he's saying. Right now, the market is reacting to his statements because he has the power, and unfortunately, many people lost money because of it although I made some.

BTC @ $40K? It will be, but it will not happen this year... or at least that's what I predict. I expect that to happen when the bear market starts.

I think you are right, because before he announced the pause in tariffs, it seems he posted on the X platform that it's good to time to buy now, I'm just not sure exactly when he posted it. Then after he posted that, he announced a 90-day pause in tariffs.

Just a few minutes passed, like 15 minutes if I am not mistaken, the color of the stock market suddenly turned green and bitcoin also suddenly jumped up and then dumped immediately. So at times like this, it seems like he controlled the market at this point.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: hugeblack on April 12, 2025, 11:21:28 AM
Anything is possible, but the impact isn't due to Trump. Rather, it's due to Bitcoin's low market cap, which makes it susceptible to political changes, and Trump's decisions are a key factor in these political decisions. Reaching $40,000 is unlikely at the moment, but if problems arise, such as a world war or an economic recession, these levels could be seen.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: TomPluz on April 14, 2025, 08:48:26 AM

Trump certainly is a major influence of the Bitcoin and crypto market. In 2024, even with Biden still at the helm in the White House he was already influential as he sought the support of the industry by promising to do this and to do that. Right now, what he is doing and saying can have a reaction in the crypto market BUT this is not an absolute influence as there is always that tupping point when the market will just shrug and ignore that influence. And this is what is happening with the tariff influence right now, after days of going down and following the fear induced by tariffs I think the market has just had enough of it. In other words, while not diminishing the importance of something, everything will eventually level out.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: hollow knight on April 14, 2025, 08:57:18 AM
Anything is possible, but the impact isn't due to Trump. Rather, it's due to Bitcoin's low market cap, which makes it susceptible to political changes, and Trump's decisions are a key factor in these political decisions. Reaching $40,000 is unlikely at the moment, but if problems arise, such as a world war or an economic recession, these levels could be seen.

When overall the market and US stocks shake, the crypto market feels the same waves coming to it as well.

Of course, volatility will become less and less of an issue for BTC, but for now, we can't deny that BTC is bound to the sentiment that is brought mainly from the circles that are not crypto.

When investors feel like it, they will pump their liquidity where they see fit, including BTC and others.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: goaldot on April 14, 2025, 09:14:48 AM
I don't think Trump controls BTC price or market. If it is so, BTC would have reached $150k since he became the president. The price goes up and down. Meanwhile some years back during bull run, BTC price did not rise when it was expected rather towards the last quarter of that year.

BTC going back to $40k not possible. Since in the history of BTC and halving, after bull run it has not gone below last all time high.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Gposas on April 14, 2025, 10:04:51 AM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?
There's a reason why it is called a Decentralized asset. The power to control is not vested on any singular person rather there are factors that affects the price movement of this asset.

Donald Trump cannot be the King of the market, because he isn't the one buying rather is he selling but the news factor that revolves around him and other nations regarding the tariff war is what affects traditional price mechanism (buying and selling) that correspondingly determines the price trend of this asset.

We have factors that affects price trend and these factors comes and goes but still the market moves no matter what.
In a nutshell, these factors are not the King of the market rather they exhibit an impact on how the price of this asset trends.

If there are anyone to be referred to as the "King of the Market", they are buyers and sellers. They control the price movement.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: target on April 14, 2025, 11:21:38 AM

Trump is not in control, this is just the effect of the tariff wait for the long term effect because he will lose this game he started. The bonds and stock market crashes but this is manipulation not only by him.

But if the trade war is what you meant by him controlling things, its not in his control.  He as threatening every country and they are realizing China now but its all us later.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: ABCbits on April 14, 2025, 12:10:26 PM
While he have big influence, what he actually does is attempt to perform market manipulation. Many media news[1-2] already create news or article about it. If those are accurate, i doubt he'll take action that could make stock and cryptocurrency price crash anytime soon.


[1] https://www.npr.org/2025/04/10/nx-s1-5360062/why-some-are-accusing-trump-of-manipulating-stock-markets (https://www.npr.org/2025/04/10/nx-s1-5360062/why-some-are-accusing-trump-of-manipulating-stock-markets)
[2] https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-accused-market-manipulation-214805253.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-accused-market-manipulation-214805253.html)
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Jating on April 14, 2025, 01:49:13 PM

Trump is not in control, this is just the effect of the tariff wait for the long term effect because he will lose this game he started. The bonds and stock market crashes but this is manipulation not only by him.

But if the trade war is what you meant by him controlling things, its not in his control.  He as threatening every country and they are realizing China now but its all us later.
But still though, if he didn't want to declare a tariff war with China then crypto and stock price won't be affected. So it's like a clear manipulation on him, maybe power trip or something? Nevertheless this kind of control is not going to be forever, it's almost a short time when you try to do something like this specially with a lot of nations are involved. Sooner or later he will lose his grip on power and so with that going to be a rude awakening for him.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: bayu7adi on April 14, 2025, 01:54:30 PM
Is this referring to the impact of the China vs US conflict in the trade sector? Ummmm... I don't think Trump is really in control, seeing him evaluate his decision to raise import tariffs, it's clear enough that he is also afraid of not getting resistance from many countries when it is actually implemented... To fight China, Trump still needs good relations with other countries, so his hesitant attitude is actually saving the US right now... and somehow this does have an impact on the macro economy, but it shouldn't have such a big impact on cryptocurrency...

I can't agree that Trump is the ruler in the cryptocurrency space... he does have high power and authority... But he is also known for his temperament, that's what makes him sometimes reckless and make decisions without evaluating them...
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Stuart on April 14, 2025, 01:58:54 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?

All forms of news related to the economy of a country or related to a country of value has one or two effects on the stock market and the crypto market as well. When I say a country of value, I mean a country among world powers/striving for world power. President Trump does not have control over the market, it's just that the tariff he puts on goods/products coming/going out of the US are what has some negative effects on the market. Good news moves the Crypto market bullish, and negative news moves it bearish.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on April 14, 2025, 02:20:22 PM

Trump certainly is a major influence of the Bitcoin and crypto market. In 2024, even with Biden still at the helm in the White House he was already influential as he sought the support of the industry by promising to do this and to do that. Right now, what he is doing and saying can have a reaction in the crypto market BUT this is not an absolute influence as there is always that tupping point when the market will just shrug and ignore that influence. And this is what is happening with the tariff influence right now, after days of going down and following the fear induced by tariffs I think the market has just had enough of it. In other words, while not diminishing the importance of something, everything will eventually level out.

        -     No doubt his influence is strong especially since he is still the US president of the country he is in. And he knows that many countries are also looking to him so that they will not be heated by Trump. But I don't really believe that he can control the market.

But as some of my friends here say, he has the influence to persuade others to influence something he wants to do that can benefit him
and I think he has done this several times.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Basedjack on April 14, 2025, 04:25:38 PM
I would like to say first that the cryptocurrency market is not actually run by anyone. But I believe that Trump has the power to control the market. Because Trump is in charge of Bitcoin. The current tariff war has some impact on the market. Currently, this war has been suspended. Especially not suspended for the Chinese. If these tariffs are suspended positively by the Chinese, the market will be able to wake up again. Because currently the United States and China are ahead economically. So when these tariffs are completely ended, we will see something good in the market. And the market will be able to reach its previous place.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Bobcrypto on April 14, 2025, 08:18:44 PM
I would like to say first that the cryptocurrency market is not actually run by anyone. But I believe that Trump has the power to control the market. Because Trump is in charge of Bitcoin. The current tariff war has some impact on the market. Currently, this war has been suspended. Especially not suspended for the Chinese. If these tariffs are suspended positively by the Chinese, the market will be able to wake up again. Because currently the United States and China are ahead economically. So when these tariffs are completely ended, we will see something good in the market. And the market will be able to reach its previous place.

President Donald Trump is not in charge of Bitcoin, he is only a supporter of cryptocurrency. We all saw how he pledged his total support for the crypto community during the his elections campaigns, and this and any other reasons does not in any way make him in charge of Bitcoin or altcoins.

Lets not give this impression on the community because, as we know, Bitcoin is a decentralized digital currency and can not be own or control by any single individual no matter his personality. What is currently happening on the current market decline is basically his economic policies, talking about the recent Tariff war with many countries. I think that his actions is just affecting the market but he is not in charge of Bitcoin.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: taufik123 on April 14, 2025, 09:03:59 PM
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Lets not give this impression on the community because, as we know, Bitcoin is a decentralized digital currency and can not be own or control by any single individual no matter his personality. What is currently happening on the current market decline is basically his economic policies, talking about the recent Tariff war with many countries. I think that his actions is just affecting the market but he is not in charge of Bitcoin.
The global economic situation is affected and of course it will affect all sectors of the economy including the price of bitcoin even though it is decentralized.
Because the flow in and out of liquidity also has an effect.

Trump is indeed quite controversial at the moment, after his inauguration, the price of bitcoin continues to fall and even now has not shown anything positive.

The current tariff war between the United States and China continues to heat up, but if this ends and all goes back to normal the market conditions will definitely improve.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: robelneo on April 14, 2025, 09:09:54 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?

Trump can create hype in the market, but he can't control the market; he is not the only influencer, and the whales, with or without Trump, will continue to make the market better over the years.
Unless its a war or another pandemic, I don't see the price crashing down to $40k; the market has gone a long way to go back to that price.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Gurujebs on April 14, 2025, 09:27:14 PM
Trump can create hype in the market, but he can't control the market; he is not the only influencer, and the whales, with or without Trump, will continue to make the market better over the years.
Unless its a war or another pandemic, I don't see the price crashing down to $40k; the market has gone a long way to go back to that price.

I'm curious to know more because he is one of the reason why Bitcoin is trading at where it's right now. If he doesn't like Bitcoin the next day, he can say what he likes and Bitcoin can nuke to as low as we think, he did control the stock market by using tarrif war on everyone and it work like they want and after some days again, he made the market comes back.

Similarly, he can do that to Bitcoin but what does he going to gain, Bitcoin is for everyone and not for politicians like them. If he do that, no politician will say anything about Bitcoin and has the support of the Bitcoin community because the trust is gone.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: legend45 on April 14, 2025, 11:39:05 PM
Trump can create hype in the market, but he can't control the market; he is not the only influencer, and the whales, with or without Trump, will continue to make the market better over the years.
Unless its a war or another pandemic, I don't see the price crashing down to $40k; the market has gone a long way to go back to that price.

I'm curious to know more because he is one of the reason why Bitcoin is trading at where it's right now. If he doesn't like Bitcoin the next day, he can say what he likes and Bitcoin can nuke to as low as we think, he did control the stock market by using tarrif war on everyone and it work like they want and after some days again, he made the market comes back.

Similarly, he can do that to Bitcoin but what does he going to gain, Bitcoin is for everyone and not for politicians like them. If he do that, no politician will say anything about Bitcoin and has the support of the Bitcoin community because the trust is gone.
Famous people like trump indeed what he says will affect the crypto market, but I think it's only temporary because the market will play its role again after that. As we see almost all investors are waiting for what trump will do as US president, the tariff war made the crypto market red. and after being postponed, the crypto market is back green but has not approached the previous ATH.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: yhiaali3 on April 15, 2025, 06:24:49 AM
Not really, although it seems that Trump considers himself king of the entire world, not just of crypto. He acts as if he is the sole king of this world, and everyone must submit to his control. However, we cannot deny his significant positive impact on crypto in general, through the decisions he has made in favor of crypto.

As for Bitcoin, I don't believe it will ever fall to $40,000. This is unlikely. Although we have seen some declines due to the negative impact on the global economy due to tariffs, it quickly recovered and has remained relatively stable so far. I expect it will rise due to increased confidence in Bitcoin as a safe haven during crises.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: bayu7adi on April 15, 2025, 06:55:38 AM
Famous people like trump indeed what he says will affect the crypto market, but I think it's only temporary because the market will play its role again after that. As we see almost all investors are waiting for what trump will do as US president, the tariff war made the crypto market red. and after being postponed, the crypto market is back green but has not approached the previous ATH.
LOL... even at a time like this you still have time to talk about a new ATH, you doubt Trump but you expect ATH, that's a stark contrast... at least the previous ATH had Trump's name contributing there, but until now when Trump really took office as president, other strategic policies have not been realized perfectly, the point is if Trump succeeds in influencing other countries to adopt BTC, then that's where Trump really influences the world and a new ATH will be formed.... seeing the current conditions where Trump is still focused on the tariff war, I assume the crypto world will not reach ATH as long as this Tariff war problem is not over.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on April 15, 2025, 11:05:01 AM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?
Well, in as much as the price of bitcoin is hard to predict, that is, predicting accurately is as good as impossible, I would still say that we can never again see the price of Bitcoin at $40k no matter how hard and long the trade war with US government and the Chinese government last, the only reason why the price of bitcoin will go down to $40k and even below is if a major bad event occurs which caused everyone to panic sell.

So, if it's about the trade war alone, I see the price of Bitcoin being more stable with minor ups and downs from time to time, there can never be a major fall to $40k levels as a result of trade wars alone.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Bobcrypto on April 15, 2025, 01:42:14 PM
if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?
I do not think bitcoin will get to $40000 for now. If bitcoin will still get to $40000, that will not be because of Trump influence on bitcoin but just the effect of bear market as it would have happened without Trump. And this will make some people that thought bitcoin price is high to see bitcoin price to be cheap and buy.

Yes, you are very correct, you see, some people are just trying to build certain beliefs or image around President Donald Trump which is unnecessary and may be going beyond who he his.
Like you said, if Bitcoin drop below $40k, it is absolutely not because of Donald Trump's influence but can be because  the bear has entered the market. And as usual, there is bull/bear markets, definitely both will always play out at certain points, it is a normal market conditions irrespective of Donald Trump's impact based on the recent tariff war.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on April 15, 2025, 09:34:32 PM
Trump doesn't controls the market and i will say this over and over again, he may choose to control his own coin and its performance just as it has always been, but there is nothing that can serve a conviction to us that all because of the ongoing tariff plan saga and many other economic challenges all accumulates to determine the general crypto markets, there are many other factors affecting the market beyond just what a centralized entity could perform on it, am not saying its not possible to have it manipulated by Trump, but it may not be as effective as we think or consistent each time.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Asiska02 on April 15, 2025, 11:45:10 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?

You went too low in this prediction, I don’t think we are going to see Bitcoin reach that price again. We have passed that and don’t see it going back there again unless we are in the bearish trend already which the market doesn’t seem to look so. The market may badly be performing now and all due to Trump tariffs, this was not what we were expecting but we just have to ride along with it because the market can’t be free and not be affected by this policies. If we see bitcoin below $50K before we see a bull run this year, many will lose hope and settle that the bearish market is already upon us, so $40K is already a price I think we should say Bitcoin is already in a full time bearish trend by then.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: zagreus on April 16, 2025, 12:18:32 PM
Yes, you are very correct, you see, some people are just trying to build certain beliefs or image around President Donald Trump which is unnecessary and may be going beyond who he his.
Like you said, if Bitcoin drop below $40k, it is absolutely not because of Donald Trump's influence but can be because  the bear has entered the market. And as usual, there is bull/bear markets, definitely both will always play out at certain points, it is a normal market conditions irrespective of Donald Trump's impact based on the recent tariff war.

Trump is there, and he influences the market for sure - but there are so many factors that also affect it, that we cannot say that he can engulf the market for a long time, he is a short-term enigma that can turn the tides, but not for long.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Stompix on April 16, 2025, 01:35:05 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market'

Clown of the market! There, I fixed that for you.

Unless its a war or another pandemic, I don't see the price crashing down to $40k; the market has gone a long way to go back to that price.

The 2008 crisis happened without a war or a pandemic, it was worse than 2019 and 2022.
The 1929 great depression was worse for the US than WW1, and it could have also been more economically destructive if the world had been more interconnected at that time but 2/3 of the worldwas  underdeveloped some didn't feel that much a turn from poverty to more poverty.

An economic war can be worse than real war if we count out nukes.


Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: nowak_bosch on April 16, 2025, 01:48:19 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?

You went too low in this prediction, I don’t think we are going to see Bitcoin reach that price again. We have passed that and don’t see it going back there again unless we are in the bearish trend already which the market doesn’t seem to look so. The market may badly be performing now and all due to Trump tariffs, this was not what we were expecting but we just have to ride along with it because the market can’t be free and not be affected by this policies. If we see bitcoin below $50K before we see a bull run this year, many will lose hope and settle that the bearish market is already upon us, so $40K is already a price I think we should say Bitcoin is already in a full time bearish trend by then.

I would say 60k or 50k is the biggest bottom we would see during this run - and clearly, we have the potential to reach a new ATH, if things are going play out correctly one after another (ideally).
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: philipma1957 on April 16, 2025, 04:19:57 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?


He is a half measure of control.  Ie a great cooler of prices.  Is he good on the upside nope.

Remember the ath for btc was 5 hours before he was sworn in. Since he is in we have gone downhill.

So he can cool things down.

Until we reach 110k he will not have shown he is good for the upside.

I somehow think he may drop us under 60k
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: taufik123 on April 16, 2025, 07:22:24 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?


He is a half measure of control.  Ie a great cooler of prices.  Is he good on the upside nope.

Remember the ath for btc was 5 hours before he was sworn in. Since he is in we have gone downhill.

So he can cool things down.

Until we reach 110k he will not have shown he is good for the upside.

I somehow think he may drop us under 60k
It is sad if Bitcoin ends up falling to the $60k price area, when at first Trumpet was said to be a helper for Bitcoin but in the end it became the opposite, the price Dump after Trumpet was inaugurated and there has been no new ATH until now since he was inaugurated.

It only gives fundamentals that look real but will actually only make everything go down including the policy of some crazy import duty increases
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Gurujebs on April 16, 2025, 08:53:39 PM
It is sad if Bitcoin ends up falling to the $60k price area, when at first Trumpet was said to be a helper for Bitcoin but in the end it became the opposite, the price Dump after Trumpet was inaugurated and there has been no new ATH until now since he was inaugurated.

It only gives fundamentals that look real but will actually only make everything go down including the policy of some crazy import duty increases

But I don't really understand why we make it looks like Trump is trying to be the main man behind Bitcoin price. Remember that Bitcoin has always been a decentralized assets, no need for all these drama he has been creating, he has even try in my opinion even though he never did all he says he take it till he see no benefits from it on his election again.

What we should anticipate now is the continue adoption from other countries, time will come when Bitcoin will be global that people can't do without it, even now they can't really do without it but they don't just want to admit it.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Flydove on April 16, 2025, 09:39:36 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?




I won't refer to him as the king of the market neither will I agree that he is outrightly in charge of the market, but I will rather state that the policies he has come up with has significant effect on bitcoin market trajectory. We saw bitcoin reach peak levels shortly after his re-election. Yes, his trade war is impacting negatively on the market also. His presidential directive to make bitcoin a national reserve asset in the US is currently boosting investors' confidence in the viability of bitcoin thereby driving many further into investing. All of these points to the influence his having over the market but not actually in control of it.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: philipma1957 on April 16, 2025, 09:58:51 PM
It is sad if Bitcoin ends up falling to the $60k price area, when at first Trumpet was said to be a helper for Bitcoin but in the end it became the opposite, the price Dump after Trumpet was inaugurated and there has been no new ATH until now since he was inaugurated.

It only gives fundamentals that look real but will actually only make everything go down including the policy of some crazy import duty increases

But I don't really understand why we make it looks like Trump is trying to be the main man behind Bitcoin price. Remember that Bitcoin has always been a decentralized assets, no need for all these drama he has been creating, he has even try in my opinion even though he never did all he says he take it till he see no benefits from it on his election again.

What we should anticipate now is the continue adoption from other countries, time will come when Bitcoin will be global that people can't do without it, even now they can't really do without it but they don't just want to admit it.

Trump has clearly shown he can hurt prices of stocks and business.  Since crypto is more linked to stocks than many thought crypto has also been hit bigly.

But BTC still can be separate from mainstream maybe this is what happens.

I remind everyone that major miners are saying fuck this shit and keep adding more hashrate.


so hahsrate is bullish as fuck

https://www.coinwarz.com/mining/bitcoin/difficulty-chart

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Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: ZAINmalik75 on April 16, 2025, 11:33:44 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?
It is possible that we may see BTC at $20k even after all that adoption and ETFs and reserve hype, it is possible for BTC to dump that much. It is crypto anything is possible it is a matter of selling pressure that everything can dump like hell.

If BTC dumps the whole market will dump which we all know so it could wipe out a lot of funds form the market, which Trump has already did, he already wiped trillions from the market with this tariff war and still want to continue although the shift to BTC as payment in between different countries is a bullish news.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: taufik123 on April 19, 2025, 04:03:02 PM
But I don't really understand why we make it looks like Trump is trying to be the main man behind Bitcoin price. Remember that Bitcoin has always been a decentralized assets, no need for all these drama he has been creating, he has even try in my opinion even though he never did all he says he take it till he see no benefits from it on his election again.
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It's about everyone's mindset and Trump is also the most viewed high-ranking person today, therefore when a word about crypto, especially Bitcoin, then it will become a trend and when Trump starts acting by taking actions that even go against the condition of crypto then it will make crypto bad.

But of course this won't happen continuously, this is just because Trump was inaugurated when Bitcoin was about to go to ATH but after that the price of bitcoin has continued to fall until now.

Gradually the influence of a trump will no longer be a trend, as happened to Elon Musk who did it first, but then Elon is no longer a trend for Bitcoin or crypto, it has faded.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: jeraldskie11 on April 19, 2025, 04:41:19 PM
But I don't really understand why we make it looks like Trump is trying to be the main man behind Bitcoin price. Remember that Bitcoin has always been a decentralized assets, no need for all these drama he has been creating, he has even try in my opinion even though he never did all he says he take it till he see no benefits from it on his election again.
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It's about everyone's mindset and Trump is also the most viewed high-ranking person today, therefore when a word about crypto, especially Bitcoin, then it will become a trend and when Trump starts acting by taking actions that even go against the condition of crypto then it will make crypto bad.

But of course this won't happen continuously, this is just because Trump was inaugurated when Bitcoin was about to go to ATH but after that the price of bitcoin has continued to fall until now.

Gradually the influence of a trump will no longer be a trend, as happened to Elon Musk who did it first, but then Elon is no longer a trend for Bitcoin or crypto, it has faded.
Trump is taking advantage of the opportunity because people are looking up to him now especially among crypto investors. Trump is a very influential person, he can change the price trend in the market with his words. But that doesn't mean he always control the market because it's impossible to happen, even for himself the price will not always follow his wishes especially if what he says is not in line with the price trend in the market. Many things can affect the price of Bitcoin such as ETFs, not just only with influential people.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Gurujebs on April 19, 2025, 06:01:53 PM
Trump is taking advantage of the opportunity because people are looking up to him now especially among crypto investors. Trump is a very influential person, he can change the price trend in the market with his words. But that doesn't mean he always control the market because it's impossible to happen, even for himself the price will not always follow his wishes especially if what he says is not in line with the price trend in the market. Many things can affect the price of Bitcoin such as ETFs, not just only with influential people.

What does politicians does other than takes the advantage of things they see around especially the one that will go viral. He hasn't in his life for once want Bitcoin, it has always been a hate upon hate that you will think it was personal but come his next election, he saw the opportunity and seize it immediately for his campaign till the end of the election.

I like how he is doing his things now, he has close the gap between normal people and the rest of the politicians because there is nothing other ones will come and say if he doesn't do the things he promised the Bitcoin community.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: taufik123 on April 19, 2025, 07:01:25 PM
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But that doesn't mean he always control the market because it's impossible to happen, even for himself the price will not always follow his wishes especially if what he says is not in line with the price trend in the market. Many things can affect the price of Bitcoin such as ETFs, not just only with influential people.
As I have already said, gradually trump will have no effect whatsoever when he is not in line with Bitcoin and more bad things happen.
there are more factors influencing Bitcoin's price rise, Trump is just a part and fundamentals are quite hype at first, but when it's saturated enough then there's no more influence on Bitcoin or crypto.

But yes the policies of the governments of developed countries have always been in the spotlight around the world, because they are very powerful and have more power, such as in the ongoing tariff war between America and China.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Mate2237 on April 19, 2025, 07:55:54 PM
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But that doesn't mean he always control the market because it's impossible to happen, even for himself the price will not always follow his wishes especially if what he says is not in line with the price trend in the market. Many things can affect the price of Bitcoin such as ETFs, not just only with influential people.
As I have already said, gradually trump will have no effect whatsoever when he is not in line with Bitcoin and more bad things happen.
there are more factors influencing Bitcoin's price rise, Trump is just a part and fundamentals are quite hype at first, but when it's saturated enough then there's no more influence on Bitcoin or crypto.

But yes the policies of the governments of developed countries have always been in the spotlight around the world, because they are very powerful and have more power, such as in the ongoing tariff war between America and China.
Donald Trump has nothing to do with Bitcoin and bitcoin is going down because of the tariff effect on dollar and bitcoin is pair with dollar in the stock market. Even though we sell bitcoin with our local Currencies but it is calculated with dollar and it is the dollar rate is the calculated to pay the seller and for that whenever dollar is affected in the international market it affect bitcoin as well. Donald Trump is fighting to save the dollar because BRICS NATIONs are trying to form a BLOC against the US dollar. And that is the tariff war. But in this time of the tariff war, if US didn't apply good tactics, he might not survive this because there was a serious gang up against them.

Drop does not control the bitcoin market but fiat exchange market and bitcoin is tied to that.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: 0t3p0t on April 19, 2025, 08:58:49 PM
Is it actually safe to say 'Trump is now the king of the market' because with what we have seen so far for days now he has actually shown that he is in charge and anyone trying to go against him will have himself to be blamed, i hope he settles the issue between him and the chinese president because it is affecting the market badly, if it continues, do you think we may see BTC at 40k?
Trump has the power to manipulate the market depending on how he will do it but what had happened is just temporary and we all know that manipulation, trend and hype is also temporary because everything will go back to normal anytime soon.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: vegasus on April 19, 2025, 10:58:55 PM
Trump is taking advantage of the opportunity because people are looking up to him now especially among crypto investors. Trump is a very influential person, he can change the price trend in the market with his words. But that doesn't mean he always control the market because it's impossible to happen, even for himself the price will not always follow his wishes especially if what he says is not in line with the price trend in the market. Many things can affect the price of Bitcoin such as ETFs, not just only with influential people.
I agree with you, however, Trump is a businessman. and he is very capable of utilizing the momentum and also his achievements as president, one of which is for this. Because crypto business is one of the most promising businesses, and he has power, his name is very influential, so he has the opportunity to optimize his current condition and position for several things related to crypto business. and in the end, yes for much greater profit for his party.

But, on the other hand, this also has a positive side to its influence on crypto, yes there are pluses and minuses. so when we are able to be in a position that can take advantage of the moment too, then yes we will be able to get a pretty good profit too.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: Blaze on April 20, 2025, 01:04:26 AM
Trump is taking advantage of the opportunity because people are looking up to him now especially among crypto investors. Trump is a very influential person, he can change the price trend in the market with his words. But that doesn't mean he always control the market because it's impossible to happen, even for himself the price will not always follow his wishes especially if what he says is not in line with the price trend in the market. Many things can affect the price of Bitcoin such as ETFs, not just only with influential people.
Oh yes, the sentiments do have a large impact on the crypto market and this is something that we have known for quite some time now, however, this does not rule the fact that price movement does not solely depend on sentiments alone. Often, when a certain influential figure gives a speech, it has an immediate effect but the cryptocurrency market does not act on a short term basis, it has certain characteristics that are technological apportion, regulation, and other factors as well as behaviour of other big investors. The features of Bitcoin, for instance, such as its price volatility may be dictated by the global events like monetary policies or significant actions of financial institutions. This clearly demonstrates that the crypto market has a lot of volatility as well as crisis tendencies, which cannot be regulated by anyone.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: doc on April 20, 2025, 11:12:23 AM
Trump is taking advantage of the opportunity because people are looking up to him now especially among crypto investors. Trump is a very influential person, he can change the price trend in the market with his words. But that doesn't mean he always control the market because it's impossible to happen, even for himself the price will not always follow his wishes especially if what he says is not in line with the price trend in the market. Many things can affect the price of Bitcoin such as ETFs, not just only with influential people.
I agree with you, however, Trump is a businessman. and he is very capable of utilizing the momentum and also his achievements as president, one of which is for this. Because crypto business is one of the most promising businesses, and he has power, his name is very influential, so he has the opportunity to optimize his current condition and position for several things related to crypto business. and in the end, yes for much greater profit for his party.

But, on the other hand, this also has a positive side to its influence on crypto, yes there are pluses and minuses. so when we are able to be in a position that can take advantage of the moment too, then yes we will be able to get a pretty good profit too.
As a businessman, Trump understands the benefits of investing in bitcoin, because crypto technology will be more popular and needed in the future. With his position as US president, of course what he does will affect many people and many countries, by saying that as a crypto supporter this has a good impact on the growth of crypto in the future.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: jeraldskie11 on April 20, 2025, 06:19:01 PM
Trump is taking advantage of the opportunity because people are looking up to him now especially among crypto investors. Trump is a very influential person, he can change the price trend in the market with his words. But that doesn't mean he always control the market because it's impossible to happen, even for himself the price will not always follow his wishes especially if what he says is not in line with the price trend in the market. Many things can affect the price of Bitcoin such as ETFs, not just only with influential people.
I agree with you, however, Trump is a businessman. and he is very capable of utilizing the momentum and also his achievements as president, one of which is for this. Because crypto business is one of the most promising businesses, and he has power, his name is very influential, so he has the opportunity to optimize his current condition and position for several things related to crypto business. and in the end, yes for much greater profit for his party.

But, on the other hand, this also has a positive side to its influence on crypto, yes there are pluses and minuses. so when we are able to be in a position that can take advantage of the moment too, then yes we will be able to get a pretty good profit too.
As a businessman, Trump understands the benefits of investing in bitcoin, because crypto technology will be more popular and needed in the future. With his position as US president, of course what he does will affect many people and many countries, by saying that as a crypto supporter this has a good impact on the growth of crypto in the future.
That's right. And since Trump supports crypto, it's a big advantage for investors. I'm sure Trump has a lot of investments in crypto, he's just not revealing everything. So we don't have to worry that the market might return to bearish because we still have a time that can change the situation. There's not much good price action the days, maybe in the next few days there will be a news that will affect the market positively. Let's just stay tuned!
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: PX-Z on April 20, 2025, 06:38:19 PM
$40k is too far from happening. Bitcoin price won't reach that again not unless big institutional whales like Microstrategy sells their holdings on this current state which is impossible to happen. As far as i read, they buys another set of bitcoin again.

This price dumps have nothing to do with trump but its effect on some ways on the minds of traders, nothing else.
Title: Re: Trump controls the market
Post by: JollyGood on April 21, 2025, 12:03:48 AM
I do not believe that one man controls the market. There are far too many variables involved to affect the market in a meaningful manner therefore it is beyond the control of one man. It is clear that Trump has affected the market but he certainly does not control it.