BTC new order.

[TomPluz]

I don't deny the possibility of a crypto winter having started, but I don't think it's the most likely scenario right now. Let's continue to monitor the market and discuss further. I'm still targeting a $150K-170K price zone for BTC in this bull run.

One thing is for sure, anything is possible with Bitcoin and although there can be historical precedents that we can use in predicting what can be but there is always no guarantee that they can be as we thought they should be. I am also looking forward for Bitcoin to use all the energy it has to get into the $150K zone in 2025...but I am always prepared for the worst and hoping for the best. There is no question that there is nothing we can do here as Bitcoin can be affected by factors even beyond the developments happening in the crypto market.

[Stompix]

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And it will keep on happening every single 4-year interval from now till the world ends, right? 

It will keep happening, and even when it doesn't happen, we will pretend it has happened or hope it will happen.

Yeah, let's see if this works if I'll try 20 years from now to pay a few satoshi for a car since a Bitcoin will have to be at least 2.5 million by that time!
The unlimited growth coming just from wishful thinking has to stop, we need to look at the real world and realize that no asset can defy all the economics needed for that growth just because in the past it has shown incredible growth, It's one thing to go up from $1 to $1000 and different from $1k to 1 mil.

[yhiaali3]

Yes I agree, since Bitcoin broke the rule for the first time and rose to the peak before the halving I felt that we are facing a new system and different price cycles, perhaps the halving effect has started to fade and we now have a new influence on Bitcoin after the entry of ETF companies and large institutions.

Now Bitcoin has become part of the global market and is affected by geopolitical and economic events more than it is affected by technical analysis and studying previous patterns, perhaps we will also get relative stability in the price and it will range within this narrow range and not necessarily all those big fluctuations that we used to witness every four-year cycle will occur.

[Azharul]

The bitcoin historical order is broken. Do not so much rely on your technical analysis derived from history. I think there's a new order we should discover. I realised that the old order is broken when we had a new ATH before halving, which was the positive effect of ETF.
Today we are expecting an Uptober as usual, but it's not happening. Seems that fundamental is the chief controller of the market. If Israel bomb Lebanon today, go and check BTC price. If Trump uses BTC, also go check the price.

I am also agree with this comment. We also know that bitcoin price is bitcoin is one of the best valuable crypto in cryptocurrency world. But sometimes it also be down, then some people remain in different way. Because they Couldn't want to understand in cryptocurrency market. We also saw that Iran and Israel were effect in cryptocurrency world. So i believe that in future bitcoin will attractive in new order.

[Baofeng]

The bitcoin historical order is broken. Do not so much rely on your technical analysis derived from history. I think there's a new order we should discover. I realised that the old order is broken when we had a new ATH before halving, which was the positive effect of ETF.
Today we are expecting an Uptober as usual, but it's not happening. Seems that fundamental is the chief controller of the market. If Israel bomb Lebanon today, go and check BTC price. If Trump uses BTC, also go check the price.

It's really the first time that we have seen a new all time high pre-halving and most likely it might have change the cycle a bit. Because if we look at the last cycle, by October, we should have a new all time high already.

Unfortunately, we almost did as the price goes to $68k-$69k, but it didn't have that much momentum to push to at least $70k. And if we did we could still be very much on the bullish state. Right now we had another correction and it might affect the price as we are just a week before the end of this month.

[debra]

It's really the first time that we have seen a new all time high pre-halving and most likely it might have change the cycle a bit. Because if we look at the last cycle, by October, we should have a new all time high already.

Yes, it is the first time in history that Bitcoin reached ATH before halving. We can't deny it was the impact of Bitcoin ETF.
For this month, it is not over yet. There is still a chance to get a new ATH. But if I'm trying to be more realistic, I assume Bitcoin price will be around $67k - $70k until the end of this month.

Unfortunately, we almost did as the price goes to $68k-$69k, but it didn't have that much momentum to push to at least $70k.

I think it will be $70k soon in this month. Sometimes it doesn't need any good news to have a momentum. It will increase gradually because people are enthusiastic with Bitcoin price toward the end of this year.

[doc]

The bitcoin historical order is broken. Do not so much rely on your technical analysis derived from history. I think there's a new order we should discover. I realised that the old order is broken when we had a new ATH before halving, which was the positive effect of ETF.
Today we are expecting an Uptober as usual, but it's not happening. Seems that fundamental is the chief controller of the market. If Israel bomb Lebanon today, go and check BTC price. If Trump uses BTC, also go check the price.

It's really the first time that we have seen a new all time high pre-halving and most likely it might have change the cycle a bit. Because if we look at the last cycle, by October, we should have a new all time high already.

Unfortunately, we almost did as the price goes to $68k-$69k, but it didn't have that much momentum to push to at least $70k. And if we did we could still be very much on the bullish state. Right now we had another correction and it might affect the price as we are just a week before the end of this month.

almost everyone expects bitcoin price to touch $70K soon, but it seems like we are waiting for it to come true, Because I also hope to sell some of my potential coins to get a little profit if bitcoin price touches ATH again.
Anything can happen in crypto, when we wait for bitcoin price to go up, suddenly there is a correction and it goes down. So keep doing it according to the initial plan.

[luckyledger]

The bitcoin historical order is broken. Do not so much rely on your technical analysis derived from history. I think there's a new order we should discover. I realised that the old order is broken when we had a new ATH before halving, which was the positive effect of ETF.
Today we are expecting an Uptober as usual, but it's not happening. Seems that fundamental is the chief controller of the market. If Israel bomb Lebanon today, go and check BTC price. If Trump uses BTC, also go check the price.

It's really the first time that we have seen a new all time high pre-halving and most likely it might have change the cycle a bit. Because if we look at the last cycle, by October, we should have a new all time high already.

Unfortunately, we almost did as the price goes to $68k-$69k, but it didn't have that much momentum to push to at least $70k. And if we did we could still be very much on the bullish state. Right now we had another correction and it might affect the price as we are just a week before the end of this month.

almost everyone expects bitcoin price to touch $70K soon, but it seems like we are waiting for it to come true, Because I also hope to sell some of my potential coins to get a little profit if bitcoin price touches ATH again.
Anything can happen in crypto, when we wait for bitcoin price to go up, suddenly there is a correction and it goes down. So keep doing it according to the initial plan.

I do think the rally for BTC will be in 2025 for sure, even if now we will see some corrections here and there.
The break of the ATH is inevitable.

[SmartGold01]

Today we are expecting an Uptober as usual, but it's not happening. Seems that fundamental is the chief controller of the market. If Israel bomb Lebanon today, go and check BTC price. If Trump uses BTC, also go check the price.

What i noticed from the market nowadays is that they are mostly being influenced by the news surrounding the space that is why when Trump uses bitcoin or mentioned about it you see price soaring and when israel bomb the effect also affect the price, so to me you are correct because the sequence are not maintained anymore.

[MrSpasybo]

One thing is for sure, anything is possible with Bitcoin and although there can be historical precedents that we can use in predicting what can be but there is always no guarantee that they can be as we thought they should be. I am also looking forward for Bitcoin to use all the energy it has to get into the $150K zone in 2025...but I am always prepared for the worst and hoping for the best. There is no question that there is nothing we can do here as Bitcoin can be affected by factors even beyond the developments happening in the crypto market.

In the investment journey, we should analyze and forecast, but what's more important than forecasting is reacting to the market at the right time. Large institutions have entered the crypto market and are very fond of BTC. I wouldn't be surprised if their high-frequency trading bots and professional manipulation plans will cause BTC cycle to change. But as an investor, I prefer to think about the optimistic scenario and the repetition of history rather than the bearish conspiracy theories ^^

We share the same $150K target for BTC in this cycle, but in case the trend reversal signal comes when BTC only reaches $100K, I think we'll still be ready to take partial profits to protect the profits we've worked hard for over the past 2-3 years of investing and enduring the devastation from the crypto winter.

[legend45]

One thing is for sure, anything is possible with Bitcoin and although there can be historical precedents that we can use in predicting what can be but there is always no guarantee that they can be as we thought they should be. I am also looking forward for Bitcoin to use all the energy it has to get into the $150K zone in 2025...but I am always prepared for the worst and hoping for the best. There is no question that there is nothing we can do here as Bitcoin can be affected by factors even beyond the developments happening in the crypto market.

In the investment journey, we should analyze and forecast, but what's more important than forecasting is reacting to the market at the right time. Large institutions have entered the crypto market and are very fond of BTC. I wouldn't be surprised if their high-frequency trading bots and professional manipulation plans will cause BTC cycle to change. But as an investor, I prefer to think about the optimistic scenario and the repetition of history rather than the bearish conspiracy theories ^^

We share the same $150K target for BTC in this cycle, but in case the trend reversal signal comes when BTC only reaches $100K, I think we'll still be ready to take partial profits to protect the profits we've worked hard for over the past 2-3 years of investing and enduring the devastation from the crypto winter.

If the price of bitcoin only reaches 4100K I think we have already made a profit. So it all depends on the market conditions next year because I will also sell my bitcoin gradually starting from $90k, $95K, $100K and $125K. And if the price of bitcoin exceeds my highest target, I am grateful and I consider it not my fortune because I have to eliminate greedy emotions.

[Stompix]

If the price of bitcoin only reaches 4100K I think we have already made a profit.

Only 4100k? Only 4.5 million?
Type the $ instead of the 4 or you toss everything off the table!

What i noticed from the market nowadays is that they are mostly being influenced by the news surrounding the space that is why when Trump uses bitcoin or mentioned about it you see price soaring and when israel bomb the effect also affect the price, so to me you are correct because the sequence are not maintained anymore.

Now I'm getting curious about what would happen when Trump bombs Lebanon or Syria, not that it would be a first!
It's not about just Bitcoin anymore, look at the stock market and you see that Bitcoin is 92% up one year while even SP500 is doing close to ETH at around 36%.

[Bobcrypto]

The bitcoin historical order is broken. Do not so much rely on your technical analysis derived from history. I think there's a new order we should discover. I realised that the old order is broken when we had a new ATH before halving, which was the positive effect of ETF.
Today we are expecting an Uptober as usual, but it's not happening. Seems that fundamental is the chief controller of the market. If Israel bomb Lebanon today, go and check BTC price. If Trump uses BTC, also go check the price.

I have not heard of a ''New Order'' before, please confirm this is a new terminology or a crypto abbreviation, because I  know that bitcoin has a circle, and the circle takes 4 years to complete.
As a trader, I think there is broken trends lines or widget patterns, not heard of new order being broken. As a matter of facts, we learn everyday, and wish you can explain more on this topic in next reply.
Now if you meant trend line broken, as a trader I am familiar with that market moving patterns, however, if such trends lines are broken, it requires some build up or minor corrections for the trends to bounce back.

[21Pilots]

If the price of bitcoin only reaches 4100K I think we have already made a profit. So it all depends on the market conditions next year because I will also sell my bitcoin gradually starting from $90k, $95K, $100K and $125K. And if the price of bitcoin exceeds my highest target, I am grateful and I consider it not my fortune because I have to eliminate greedy emotions.

Cautious approach to the sales is also favored by Bitcoin owners, providing the sales at regular intervals and at set price levels. When let go from the desire to aim for higher prices we are able to stay balanced with emotions that we need for focusing on the set target price.

When the price goes beyond the target it is considerate to be thankful and deal with the results without getting overboard with greedy feelings. This works for me when it comes to experiencing long-term investment and consider the successes that has been made.