Both of them are clever scams and based on actions, not really analyzing, what is happening behind closed doors is this, a signal gets out on paid channel and then they will release it on public they have no chance but to do so and do you want to know why? Because if they didn't then the signal will never be a success, the public is the people who always make heir signal come true, try it yourself and see every signal posted on private paid channels will not make a real profit unless it leaks on the public.