[Football] English Premier League Betting & Discussion Thread

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For me, the MU has always been a team that will always be great, they need to do things better, and I think that the club's biggest mistake has been Ten Hag, I will always say that, because he is a coach who only does what he Says and everything in its own way and in that way you cannot build a team, it has to be with more freedoms, for now they have won the FA Cup , it is Something that I congratulate them, but for the MU to win, they need a change of caoch and urgently, One chaos is the FA Cup, another is the PL and at least they get to a place where they play the UCL.

Do not draw conclusions based on what you read on social networks. Here are some facts

ETH has won two silverware. Only Mourinho won more trophies after Sir Alex's retirement.
3 finals and 2 wins 
He got the FA title through (never stronger) Liverpool and M. City
He won more trophies in 2 years than Arteta in 6 years in the strongest Arsenal of the last 20 years.
He is currently the second most-trophied coach in the PL, right behind Pep's 
In PL this season, 45+ injuries. Almost the whole season without the most important players in defence.
He has a better winning percentage than Arteta or Klopp in the first two years.
Although everything looked bad the whole season, it is still better than Chelsea, Newcastle, Tottenham
In essence, his biggest disadvantage was the absence of Lisandro and Casemiro (and Rashford out of form), 3 key players from last season. Serious lack of quality players, but at least he formed a few new kids.

[JoyMarsha]

For me, the MU has always been a team that will always be great, they need to do things better, and I think that the club's biggest mistake has been Ten Hag, I will always say that, because he is a coach who only does what he Says and everything in its own way and in that way you cannot build a team, it has to be with more freedoms, for now they have won the FA Cup , it is Something that I congratulate them, but for the MU to win, they need a change of caoch and urgently, One chaos is the FA Cup, another is the PL and at least they get to a place where they play the UCL.

Do not draw conclusions based on what you read on social networks. Here are some facts

ETH has won two silverware. Only Mourinho won more trophies after Sir Alex's retirement.
3 finals and 2 wins 
He got the FA title through (never stronger) Liverpool and M. City
He won more trophies in 2 years than Arteta in 6 years in the strongest Arsenal of the last 20 years.
He is currently the second most-trophied coach in the PL, right behind Pep's 
In PL this season, 45+ injuries. Almost the whole season without the most important players in defence.
He has a better winning percentage than Arteta or Klopp in the first two years.
Although everything looked bad the whole season, it is still better than Chelsea, Newcastle, Tottenham
In essence, his biggest disadvantage was the absence of Lisandro and Casemiro (and Rashford out of form), 3 key players from last season. Serious lack of quality players, but at least he formed a few new kids.

No doubt, Ten Hag has performed better than most of the Premier League coaches, but based on the expectations of Manchester United management and fans, they want something more like staying on top of the Premier League table and qualifying for the Champions League matches. The management and fans are not considerate of how he does it, whether he needs new signings or the key players are injured, what they want is a good result, they don't care to know how good Ten Hag has performed in the past, what they care about is to presently be among the top contestants of the PL.

Since Ten Hag couldn't provide such, sacking him and bringing another coach, that's what's on their mind. It's better to have it done than still keeping Ten Hag as Manchester United's coach

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Since Ten Hag couldn't provide such, sacking him and bringing another coach, that's what's on their mind. It's better to have it done than still keeping Ten Hag as Manchester United's coach

Sometimes the decisions made by ETH regarding player selection, player purchases, strategy development or other things are quite controversial and often make people upset, especially with the various statements. But behind it all, the fact that cannot be denied is that Ten Hag has succeeded in bringing Man United to lift several trophies, especially this season's FA Cup, even though his opponent is Man City, not just any club. In fact, most people will definitely make Man City their favorite to win. But it turned out to be the opposite.

So, if there are many fans who say that Ten Hag can't do anything for Man United and they demand that Man United be like it was during its glory days, then it's useless to advise people like that. because they always close their eyes. Because, the condition of Man United now and in the past is different. Man United has a complex problem, if the coach is only to blame, then that's not 100% true, but yes, because it's that complex, especially the management, and also sometimes the players who often don't seem solid. So, if Man United wants to bring in another coach as a replacement for Ten Hag, are you sure that's the minimum?

[pawel7777]

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Since Ten Hag couldn't provide such, sacking him and bringing another coach, that's what's on their mind. It's better to have it done than still keeping Ten Hag as Manchester United's coach

If the media reports are true, it already has been decided that he's on his way out. Allegedly he already talked with Jim Ratcliffe and was informed of the decision.
There was no way he could stay for another season after the club placed in the worst league place since the 1989/90 season (when they ended up 13th).
Although, to be fair to him, when Alex Ferguson took over he was also far from being successful in the first few years. United's places under Ferguson in his first 5 years as the manager were 11th, 2nd, 12th, 13th and 6th respectively, and things have massively improved since then.

Anyhow, the big question is who will replace him. Names currently floating around in the news are: Roberto De Zerbi, Thomas Tuchel, Kieran McKenna, Mauricio ­Pochettino and Thomas Frank.

[Uruhara]

No doubt, Ten Hag has performed better than most of the Premier League coaches, but based on the expectations of Manchester United management and fans, they want something more like staying on top of the Premier League table and qualifying for the Champions League matches. The management and fans are not considerate of how he does it, whether he needs new signings or the key players are injured, what they want is a good result, they don't care to know how good Ten Hag has performed in the past, what they care about is to presently be among the top contestants of the PL.

Since Ten Hag couldn't provide such, sacking him and bringing another coach, that's what's on their mind. It's better to have it done than still keeping Ten Hag as Manchester United's coach

And in the end we all see and judge a coach as very good and not based on the results he gets with the club he is currently coaching. So it doesn't matter how his achievements were in the past, such as at Ajax. Because what is being assessed is his current achievements. but at the start of last season Ten Hag actually had a player he wanted to bring in. but at that time it was not possible to spend money on the club. So he brought in players who were not actually in the initial plan. Correct me if I'm wrong. because I still remember last season when they used their money to buy Onana and only had a little left. So don't choose the first option player you are targeting. At least Ten Hag has brought victory to Man United in the FA Cup. And that's still an achievement even though Man United were really bad in the Premier League and in the UCL qualifying group yesterday.

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Anyhow, the big question is who will replace him. Names currently floating around in the news are: Roberto De Zerbi, Thomas Tuchel, Kieran McKenna, Mauricio ­Pochettino and Thomas Frank.

This is the essence of the problem. Maybe ETH doesn't look like the best of the best, but who is the alternative?

All those listed are good managers, they are rightly mentioned as a possible replacement, but I don't see that any of them has enough capacity for what awaits him in MU. All of them are excellent when there are no great expectations from them and when they are not under the scrutiny of the public.

De Zerbi, had a great last season when he succeeded Graham Potter. No one expected much and not much attention was paid to his work. This allowed him to work relaxed and he produced results.

Pochettino, had some success with Tottenham if you call it success even though you didn't win anything. Then when he had to take the final step forward, he completely failed. Of course, even then no one expected Tottenham to do anything more significant and there were no criticisms when they played badly. Everything fell apart when the criticism became stronger.

Thomas Tuchel is very conflicted, a very similar nature to Mourinho. If he didn't succeed in Bayern, which was much better organized, why would he manage to sort out the mess that is in MU? Also failed in PSG, and the CL title with Chelsea at a time when no one expected anything from them. The following season, everything fell apart when more was expected.

McKenna was already at MU, as an assistant to Ole. Many blamed him for Ole's failures. He is promising, I believe he will be a big name one day, but it is too early for him to take over MU now. He needs to make several successful seasons in a row.

Thomas Frank also fell under the pressure of the previous successful season. It's one thing to lead a team that is content if it's not fighting for survival, and it's quite another thing to lead MU where only wins are satisfying.

[Igebotz]

Thomas Tuchel is very conflicted, a very similar nature to Mourinho. If he didn't succeed in Bayern, which was much better organized, why would he manage to sort out the mess that is in MU? Also failed in PSG, and the CL title with Chelsea at a time when no one expected anything from them. The following season, everything fell apart when more was expected.

Not nothing fell apart, the UK sanction messed up his second spell, transfer ban, little traveling expenses and a very long take over, his best defenders (Christensen and Rudiger) leaving for free cause no one to renew their contracts. The Todd Boehly and co coming in to mess up with the club model, couldn't get him his first choice players, brought him Lukaku instead of Halaand and messed up the whole plan. It was never Tuchel's fault. We didn't like the way he was sacked, we still love him.

He was a huge success at PSG, taking the club to it first CL final and winning all league trophies. After the way our fans treated him, he's never going to take the Manutd job.

[JoyMarsha]

No doubt, Ten Hag has performed better than most of the Premier League coaches, but based on the expectations of Manchester United management and fans, they want something more like staying on top of the Premier League table and qualifying for the Champions League matches. The management and fans are not considerate of how he does it, whether he needs new signings or the key players are injured, what they want is a good result, they don't care to know how good Ten Hag has performed in the past, what they care about is to presently be among the top contestants of the PL.

Since Ten Hag couldn't provide such, sacking him and bringing another coach, that's what's on their mind. It's better to have it done than still keeping Ten Hag as Manchester United's coach

And in the end we all see and judge a coach as very good and not based on the results he gets with the club he is currently coaching. So it doesn't matter how his achievements were in the past, such as at Ajax. Because what is being assessed is his current achievements. but at the start of last season Ten Hag actually had a player he wanted to bring in. but at that time it was not possible to spend money on the club. So he brought in players who were not actually in the initial plan. Correct me if I'm wrong. because I still remember last season when they used their money to buy Onana and only had a little left. So don't choose the first option player you are targeting. At least Ten Hag has brought victory to Man United in the FA Cup. And that's still an achievement even though Man United were really bad in the Premier League and in the UCL qualifying group yesterday.

You forget to mention how Manchester United were able to sign C. Ronaldo under Ten Hag, last two season. Ten Hag ended up disrespected C. Ronaldo, that made C. Ronaldo to leave Manchester United for Arab club to avoid further beef with the Ten Hag.

Concerning Onana, Ten Hag had Onana in mind because he suit his kind of play "a goalkeeper making good passes without fears but with confidence". That was why Onana signing was made possible despite the money charged for the signing

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You forget to mention how Manchester United were able to sign C. Ronaldo under Ten Hag, last two season. Ten Hag ended up disrespected C. Ronaldo, that made C. Ronaldo to leave Manchester United for Arab club to avoid further beef with the Ten Hag.

Concerning Onana, Ten Hag had Onana in mind because he suit his kind of play "a goalkeeper making good passes without fears but with confidence". That was why Onana signing was made possible despite the money charged for the signing

I think difference cases between Andre Onana and Cristiano Ronaldo for Erik ten Hag, Ronaldo seems not happy after most put him on the bench and make him leaves Manchester United on winter transfer window for joining with Al Nassr.  For Andre Onana is typical goal keeper can build up from defense area and make him interested than De Gea although Manchester United must spending much money for signing him.
Right now still not clearly with Erik ten Hag future keep staying with Manchester united or management will sack him from his position after poor perform in this season.

[Uruhara]

And in the end we all see and judge a coach as very good and not based on the results he gets with the club he is currently coaching. So it doesn't matter how his achievements were in the past, such as at Ajax. Because what is being assessed is his current achievements. but at the start of last season Ten Hag actually had a player he wanted to bring in. but at that time it was not possible to spend money on the club. So he brought in players who were not actually in the initial plan. Correct me if I'm wrong. because I still remember last season when they used their money to buy Onana and only had a little left. So don't choose the first option player you are targeting. At least Ten Hag has brought victory to Man United in the FA Cup. And that's still an achievement even though Man United were really bad in the Premier League and in the UCL qualifying group yesterday.

You forget to mention how Manchester United were able to sign C. Ronaldo under Ten Hag, last two season. Ten Hag ended up disrespected C. Ronaldo, that made C. Ronaldo to leave Manchester United for Arab club to avoid further beef with the Ten Hag.

Concerning Onana, Ten Hag had Onana in mind because he suit his kind of play "a goalkeeper making good passes without fears but with confidence". That was why Onana signing was made possible despite the money charged for the signing

At that time, Onana was brought in because Ten Hag felt he suited the style of play he created at Man United. But after that there was little money left. So Ten Hag didn't have many choices at that time. And only bringing in players who weren't actually his main choice.
So Man United did not gain significant new strength in the transfer market last summer.

At that time I might have preferred Man United to keep De Gea and buy other players that Man United needed more at that time. Because Onana, even at the beginning of his career at Man United, he couldn't immediately adapt well. He started to improve and became a good goalkeeper starting in the middle of the season.  In the first half of the season I was even concerned because Man United conceded a lot of goals. I would have preferred that Man United think more about their defense line which was not very good. Because no matter how good a goalkeeper is, he will still be overwhelmed if the back line is so bad. This is also what makes Onana overwhelmed there. And this is also what made De Gea look bad in his last seasons at Man United.

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If the media reports are true, it already has been decided that he's on his way out. Allegedly he already talked with Jim Ratcliffe and was informed of the decision.
There was no way he could stay for another season after the club placed in the worst league place since the 1989/90 season (when they ended up 13th).
Although, to be fair to him, when Alex Ferguson took over he was also far from being successful in the first few years. United's places under Ferguson in his first 5 years as the manager were 11th, 2nd, 12th, 13th and 6th respectively, and things have massively improved since then.

The club management is not expected to announce a decision regarding Erik Ten Hag's future at the club, , it's still ongoing and the results that will come are not expected anytime soon, I mean not in the transfer window next month.
And another transfer window along with the pre-season, I think the new board will first see if there is a change in results before deciding.

[Gurujebs]

The club management is not expected to announce a decision regarding Erik Ten Hag's future at the club, , it's still ongoing and the results that will come are not expected anytime soon, I mean not in the transfer window next month.
And another transfer window along with the pre-season, I think the new board will first see if there is a change in results before deciding.

If Chelsea that fought towards the end of the season and magically ended in the 6th place on the table sack Pochettino then I think Erik Ten Hag isn't immune to been sack, they can come for him very soon like they came for Chelsea coach unexpected but maybe he was expecting, however the public were interested how he was able to use the same players to push the team back.

Look at the situation of Erik, he seems just coaching but I don't see his relationship with players waxing stronger, he used to be a friend of Rashford but that relationship faded like a tick time bomb, perhaps Onana is still a friend judging from his statements these few days but I think man is also trying to avoid being dispose to another club for loan.

[Uruhara]

If Chelsea that fought towards the end of the season and magically ended in the 6th place on the table sack Pochettino then I think Erik Ten Hag isn't immune to been sack, they can come for him very soon like they came for Chelsea coach unexpected but maybe he was expecting, however the public were interested how he was able to use the same players to push the team back.

Look at the situation of Erik, he seems just coaching but I don't see his relationship with players waxing stronger, he used to be a friend of Rashford but that relationship faded like a tick time bomb, perhaps Onana is still a friend judging from his statements these few days but I think man is also trying to avoid being dispose to another club for loan.

Well that's true. Indeed, something like that can also happen to Man United. Because what happened at Chelsea was also beyond everyone's expectations. So Ten Hag's fate there is also uncertain. but indeed the decision can come suddenly.

[Sim_card]

If the media reports are true, it already has been decided that he's on his way out. Allegedly he already talked with Jim Ratcliffe and was informed of the decision.
There was no way he could stay for another season after the club placed in the worst league place since the 1989/90 season (when they ended up 13th).
Although, to be fair to him, when Alex Ferguson took over he was also far from being successful in the first few years. United's places under Ferguson in his first 5 years as the manager were 11th, 2nd, 12th, 13th and 6th respectively, and things have massively improved since then.

The club management is not expected to announce a decision regarding Erik Ten Hag's future at the club, , it's still ongoing and the results that will come are not expected anytime soon, I mean not in the transfer window next month.
And another transfer window along with the pre-season, I think the new board will first see if there is a change in results before deciding.

Eric Ten Hag will be given another season in United for him to continue his coaching job as united manager. From the view of his performance in the last two years, he was able to achieve two trophies in two years even though, EPL was not among. These are the reasons why they have decided to keep him next season to see what he will do, since he was able to win the FA cup which also gave united an automatic ticket to Europa league next season.

[ajiz138]

I don't think Manchester City will do that (underestimating Manchester United), because they are a big team who will definitely know the risks if they underestimate their opponent.

Manchester United performed well, especially in defense, they were difficult to penetrate. On the other hand, Manchester City made more internal mistakes in their game, so that it ultimately made it difficult for them to penetrate the Manchester United defense.

For me, the MU has always been a team that will always be great, they need to do things better, and I think that the club's biggest mistake has been Ten Hag, I will always say that, because he is a coach who only does what he Says and everything in its own way and in that way you cannot build a team, it has to be with more freedoms, for now they have won the FA Cup , it is Something that I congratulate them, but for the MU to win, they need a change of caoch and urgently, One chaos is the FA Cup, another is the PL and at least they get to a place where they play the UCL.

If you say Manchester United is a great team, I think everyone will agree with that, but if you say they are a team that will always be great, then there will be differences of opinion, including me also having a different opinion.

For me they are not that great now, and it is evident that even in the English league they are not getting a good place this season. they have experienced a decline in performance so they are not as great as before, but they can still restore their great identity, as long as they make changes that can make them better.