[Football] English Premier League Betting & Discussion Thread

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I agree with you that Arsenal look better in the Premier League than in the Champions League, I don't know what makes them not play as well as they do in the domestic league, and I think it has something to do with mentality.

In the Champions League, mentality is very much needed and sometimes the teams that can achieve good results are the teams with a very good mentality, even if their game is not better than their opponents, but their mentality makes them able to rise, as Real Madrid showed.

I don't see Arsenal is better in EPL, Arsenal performance looks not really impressive both in EPL and UCL. In EPL, Arsenal is in 3rd place because they already got 2 draws and 1 lose so far. Meanwhile in UCL, their productivity in scoring goals is very small. They won 2 times with narrow scores, they also got 1 draw in UCL.

Yes, mentality is something crucial. If Arsenal still can't have proper mentality in big competition like UCL, they will never reach final match. It is not so different in EPL, they always failed to won the trophy because they don't have big mentality as a candidate of the champion.

Maybe we have different views on this, that's not a problem, because there must be a reason why we can say something like that. So it goes back to our respective perspectives.

I will give my reasons why I can say that. One of the things in my observation, their game in the Champions League has not been able to be created well, it's different in the Premier League. Whether it's because this is a new opponent for them or there's something else, but I see that there is a difference.

[JoyMarsha]

I agree with you that Arsenal look better in the Premier League than in the Champions League, I don't know what makes them not play as well as they do in the domestic league, and I think it has something to do with mentality.

In the Champions League, mentality is very much needed and sometimes the teams that can achieve good results are the teams with a very good mentality, even if their game is not better than their opponents, but their mentality makes them able to rise, as Real Madrid showed.

I don't see Arsenal is better in EPL, Arsenal performance looks not really impressive both in EPL and UCL. In EPL, Arsenal is in 3rd place because they already got 2 draws and 1 lose so far. Meanwhile in UCL, their productivity in scoring goals is very small. They won 2 times with narrow scores, they also got 1 draw in UCL.

Yes, mentality is something crucial. If Arsenal still can't have proper mentality in big competition like UCL, they will never reach final match. It is not so different in EPL, they always failed to won the trophy because they don't have big mentality as a candidate of the champion.

Maybe we have different views on this, that's not a problem, because there must be a reason why we can say something like that. So it goes back to our respective perspectives.

I will give my reasons why I can say that. One of the things in my observation, their game in the Champions League has not been able to be created well, it's different in the Premier League. Whether it's because this is a new opponent for them or there's something else, but I see that there is a difference.

To clear your views, Champions League matches are not to be compared with Premier League matches because each team is playing against the best opponents from other leagues, which makes it tough not to easily win matches.

However, a club can be dominant in their league, reaching Champion League matches, and they appear as a weak team. That's what Arsenal is doing. They are giving their best performance in Champion League and Premier League matches but where it's quite noticed is in the Premier League, but in the Champion League, it's not good enough to see them lift the Champions League trophy

[salad daging]

Yes, mentality is something crucial. If Arsenal still can't have proper mentality in big competition like UCL, they will never reach final match. It is not so different in EPL, they always failed to won the trophy because they don't have big mentality as a candidate of the champion.

For this week Arsenal's situation will be a little more troublesome than before. The injury problems of several players will clearly greatly hamper them in the competition especially in the previous week Saliba got a red card which automatically made him unable to play against Liverpool next week.
Mentality will be a very good thing, it's just that in this case it will still be very difficult in the match later because currently a lot of their core players are definitely absent where in their attack line they lost Saka, midfield lost Odegaard and their defense lost a lot of itnti players who must be absent in the match this week.
I expect good things for them in the match against Liverpool but the worst possibility for Arsenal is that they will lose points with the dominance Liverpool have now.

[sampoerna]

Yes, at least in the UCL this time they were able to win against FC Shakhtar Donetsk, with only 1 goal, and that was also OG's goal from the opponent. It's quite sad to see their performance, but indeed, their front line is not too sharp this time, there are many chances that are really missed, yes even though it's quite disappointing but at least they got 3 points in this match.

Since last season Arsenal have always played in the UCL with quality below their actual abilities. Arsenal sometimes only plays well in the Premier League, whereas in other competitions, somehow this team seems to be another club. And in the match against Shakhtar, we saw that Arsenal wasted more of the opportunities they got. I feel that the mental problem of the players at this club has not been resolved until now.

Yes, even in the last season UCL, Arsenal was only able to finish in the quarter finals after being defeated by Bayern Munich. And now, they are in 9th position, fortunately they have never lost, they should be able to do much better in the future, but that will not be guaranteed because they have to face Inter Milan in the next match.

They have some key players injured, and their consistency is not that good, the problem is they have to compete with Man City and also Liverpool in the EPL, but sometimes they are inconsistent. That's what often makes it frustrating.

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Maybe we have different views on this, that's not a problem, because there must be a reason why we can say something like that. So it goes back to our respective perspectives.

I will give my reasons why I can say that. One of the things in my observation, their game in the Champions League has not been able to be created well, it's different in the Premier League. Whether it's because this is a new opponent for them or there's something else, but I see that there is a difference.

To clear your views, Champions League matches are not to be compared with Premier League matches because each team is playing against the best opponents from other leagues, which makes it tough not to easily win matches.

However, a club can be dominant in their league, reaching Champion League matches, and they appear as a weak team. That's what Arsenal is doing. They are giving their best performance in Champion League and Premier League matches but where it's quite noticed is in the Premier League, but in the Champion League, it's not good enough to see them lift the Champions League trophy

I understand that, but the hope is that they can play equally well in these 2 competitions that have different levels of opponents. Well, this is a challenge for Arsenal to be able to do it.

But there are also some who dance from several teams, for example they can play well in the Champions League but they don't play well in the domestic league, likewise there are teams that play well in the domestic league but they don't do it in the chamoions league.

[Zed0X]

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But there are also some who dance from several teams, for example they can play well in the Champions League but they don't play well in the domestic league, likewise there are teams that play well in the domestic league but they don't do it in the chamoions league.

One of the best example of this I guess is Chelsea winning the CL title for the first time under Di Matteo. Nobody expected them to even reach the Finals that season because, if I remember correctly, the club is undergoing some managerial restructuring during that time. They ended up in 6th place in the PL.

[bounceback]

One of the best example of this I guess is Chelsea winning the CL title for the first time under Di Matteo. Nobody expected them to even reach the Finals that season because, if I remember correctly, the club is undergoing some managerial restructuring during that time. They ended up in 6th place in the PL.

Its not first time for Chelsea have drastically difference performance when playing in Champion League and domestic league, not only the era or Di Matteo but also when Chelsea managing by Tuchel for the first season success winning the UCL but have bad perform in domestic league get failure keep in the race for the Premier League tittle.
Chelsea need the manager can adopt consistent performance not only when playing at European competition but also Chelsea should be return to Premier League race since last time winning on season 2016/17 almost ten years without winning the domestic league trophy.

[koang]

Yes, mentality is something crucial. If Arsenal still can't have proper mentality in big competition like UCL, they will never reach final match. It is not so different in EPL, they always failed to won the trophy because they don't have big mentality as a candidate of the champion.

For this week Arsenal's situation will be a little more troublesome than before. The injury problems of several players will clearly greatly hamper them in the competition especially in the previous week Saliba got a red card which automatically made him unable to play against Liverpool next week.
Mentality will be a very good thing, it's just that in this case it will still be very difficult in the match later because currently a lot of their core players are definitely absent where in their attack line they lost Saka, midfield lost Odegaard and their defense lost a lot of itnti players who must be absent in the match this week.
I expect good things for them in the match against Liverpool but the worst possibility for Arsenal is that they will lose points with the dominance Liverpool have now.

Very concerned. We have to acknowledge Liverpool's strong performance and their attacking threat.
Arsenal will be without Odegaard, Saliba, Calafiori, Tomi, and Tierney. I expect Arteta to play White and Gabriel at CB, instead of playing Kiwior there.
Arteta needs to emphasize the importance of maintaining high intensity and discipline against Liverpool to his players, being aware of their style of play, and making quick adjustments during the match.

[Uruhara]

The opening match this week is the Leicester vs Nottingham Forest match. And actually I want to favor Nottingham in this match. But the position as the visiting team in this match makes me doubt Nottingham Forest. And I would probably prefer to consider a draw from this match. Leicester was once a strong team and even won the Premier League, but I still see them as an inconsistent club. Even though they managed to return to the premier league this season. but I'm still not sure they can compete again in a better ranking.

[salad daging]

Yes, mentality is something crucial. If Arsenal still can't have proper mentality in big competition like UCL, they will never reach final match. It is not so different in EPL, they always failed to won the trophy because they don't have big mentality as a candidate of the champion.

For this week Arsenal's situation will be a little more troublesome than before. The injury problems of several players will clearly greatly hamper them in the competition especially in the previous week Saliba got a red card which automatically made him unable to play against Liverpool next week.
Mentality will be a very good thing, it's just that in this case it will still be very difficult in the match later because currently a lot of their core players are definitely absent where in their attack line they lost Saka, midfield lost Odegaard and their defense lost a lot of itnti players who must be absent in the match this week.
I expect good things for them in the match against Liverpool but the worst possibility for Arsenal is that they will lose points with the dominance Liverpool have now.

Very concerned. We have to acknowledge Liverpool's strong performance and their attacking threat.
Arsenal will be without Odegaard, Saliba, Calafiori, Tomi, and Tierney. I expect Arteta to play White and Gabriel at CB, instead of playing Kiwior there.
Arteta needs to emphasize the importance of maintaining high intensity and discipline against Liverpool to his players, being aware of their style of play, and making quick adjustments during the match.

It was also experienced by Liverpool where many players were injured, finally they suffered many defeats because the core team had to be absent, now at Arsenal they have to accept this storm.

After Arteta's interview they must be ready to face Liverpool's pressure, even though they play at home if there are no players to rely on it will be difficult especially when all lines have injury problems.

[Rruchi man]

After Arteta's interview they must be ready to face Liverpool's pressure, even though they play at home if there are no players to rely on it will be difficult especially when all lines have injury problems.

I imagine that Arteta will line up for that game the same way we did against Manchester City, where we played a more defensive kind of game and took the chances we had as they came. Liverpool have one of the best defenses in the Premier League this season, so Arsenal that are not doing so well scoring goals will struggle a lot in that game. The only injury concern for Liverpool is Jota, for whom they have the adequate replacement of Nunez who has been scoring and has a special skill of breaking defensive line. It will be a challenge for whosever Arteta choses to line up with Gabriel in the absence of Saliba.

[Tribalchief]

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I imagine that Arteta will line up for that game the same way we did against Manchester City, where we played a more defensive kind of game and took the chances we had as they came. Liverpool have one of the best defenses in the Premier League this season, so Arsenal that are not doing so well scoring goals will struggle a lot in that game. The only injury concern for Liverpool is Jota, for whom they have the adequate replacement of Nunez who has been scoring and has a special skill of breaking defensive line. It will be a challenge for whosever Arteta choses to line up with Gabriel in the absence of Saliba.

Arsenal playing a defensive game at home?, Not sure if that's going to happen. With the recent injury and red card suspension, we might definitely see changes in the defensive line. Timber is likely to play for Saliba, but I'm not even certain of his current injury update. But the thing with Arsenal is that, there are players that later starts a game, but won't train with the main team during the week, which I think will be the case here.
But what I feel that arsenal need most is a creative midfielder. I'm not sure if that similar attacking lineup against City would also work this time around. But we will find out on Sunday.

[UNIVERSE]

A very unexpected result for Arsenal as they lose this game to Bournemouth. This loss will hurt more to People bet on them to win the game because this looked like an easy game, but the injury challenges that the Arsenal team had affected them in this game. The bad thing about this game going forward is that Arsenal picked up a red card, and that will affect us in the next Premier League fixture we have against Liverpool, which will be very important to the Premier League race.

Indeed, everyone was surprised because they couldn't believe that Arsenal got a defeat at the match. Bournemouth isn't a big team, Arsenal should win the match. It was just very unlucky that Arsenal got a red card in minute 30'. If there was no the red card, I think Arsenal could win the match. They could perform optimally if they have enough players in the field. With this bad result, Arsenal only could stay in the 3rd place now.

[pawel7777]

The first game of matchday 9 is behind us. Leicester received a solid beating from Nottm Forest in front of their own audience. The loss could've been much worse as Nottm Forest had plenty of scoring chances.
But if anything, Leicester, despite the 65% possession, looked completely flat and out of place. That's not to mention schoolboy's mistakes like the one with the first goal when Leicester defender couldn't clear the ball and ended up passing it to Yates. But I guess Leicester's goal for this season is just to not get relegated.

[Uruhara]

It seems like Man United continues to get bad results not only in the Premier League, but they also get bad results in the European League which should improve their reputation if Man United is able to perform well there. Man United has also just been held to a draw in the European league again by the club coached by Jose Mourinho, namely Fenerbahce. Well now results like this have even made us no longer surprised. Because we no longer have high hopes for Man United this season, who seem to still be strong in retaining their coach, Erik Ten Hag. The opponent who beat them today, Fenerbahce, a Turkish club coached by Jose Mourinho, even has a better ranking in the European League. Namely ranked 14th. Meanwhile, Man United is currently ranked 21st in the European League. Honestly, this makes us even sadder to see that a club that was once highly respected now looks like a mediocre club.