[Football] Italian Serie A League Discussion & Betting Topic

[koang]

You are absolutely right, I am a big Juve fan, but I don't know, I think there must be internal problems with the players, the coach, with everything because their performance is very bad, they are having problems of all kinds, even in defense when at one point I thought it was the best defense in Italy, so given these things we are affected by these results, for me Napoli is doing very well as is Napoli, I think Juve has to win all the games that come their way.

Juventus has a defense that is actually quite good. But this season this team does not have an attack line that is sharp enough to create many goals. but the problems at this club are not as simple as imagined. because similar problems always occur in almost every season. And one fact that is quite unique is that at the start of the season Juventus can always perform well. And that's happened in the last few seasons even with different coaches. But towards the middle of the season they usually weaken. And this pattern seems to repeat itself.

Thiago Motta holds a large share of responsibility for the current mess around Juventus and I don’t understand why Motta doesn’t build a strong Italian core. They spend big money on foreign players who don’t deliver. Every successful Juve team has had an Italian core,
The owners and management group have turned their back on the club's heritage and history. Juventus is Italy and must return to its idea. It's their connection to the club and culture that helps to create an identity.

[Uruhara]

You are absolutely right, I am a big Juve fan, but I don't know, I think there must be internal problems with the players, the coach, with everything because their performance is very bad, they are having problems of all kinds, even in defense when at one point I thought it was the best defense in Italy, so given these things we are affected by these results, for me Napoli is doing very well as is Napoli, I think Juve has to win all the games that come their way.

Juventus has a defense that is actually quite good. But this season this team does not have an attack line that is sharp enough to create many goals. but the problems at this club are not as simple as imagined. because similar problems always occur in almost every season. And one fact that is quite unique is that at the start of the season Juventus can always perform well. And that's happened in the last few seasons even with different coaches. But towards the middle of the season they usually weaken. And this pattern seems to repeat itself.

Thiago Motta holds a large share of responsibility for the current mess around Juventus and I don’t understand why Motta doesn’t build a strong Italian core. They spend big money on foreign players who don’t deliver. Every successful Juve team has had an Italian core,
The owners and management group have turned their back on the club's heritage and history. Juventus is Italy and must return to its idea. It's their connection to the club and culture that helps to create an identity.

Well, Thiago Motta does have a big responsibility. As a young coach he has actually worked well. And maybe if he is given the opportunity in the next season he will be able to improve on his existing shortcomings. Because he should now realize what Juventus is lacking. It's just that currently there is a lot of news that Thiago Motta's relationship with the players is not good enough. Because there are several players who are even reportedly ignoring Thiago Motta.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Juventus is in a rebuilding process so don't expect them to be getting results every weekend because the players in Juventus are players that can't withstand pressure it will take time for them to come back to competitive nature maybe next season because as far as I know Juventus is in a very bad shape because when Juventus was on top of their game some seasons ago they did not prepare for their today by not investing into new players but always holding on to their old players and this has affected Juventus at the long run now

That is something very sad but you are absolutely right, what happens is that this Italian team, I don't know if it has financial problems or something like that, since the covid thing happened, almost all the teams were in a very bad position, but Juve are paying for the fact of not having invested in new players now because they want it, in fact it seems to me that it is not a good plan because of what they are going through right now, they have been through many problems, since they have gone to competitions and now they are like this I would call it irresponsibility, however I hope it does not affect them so much as to lose the UCL qualification.

[sampoerna]

That's what makes the difference between the domestic league and the Champions League. In the Champions League their enthusiasm seems to increase, that's because it's the biggest competition in Europe.

Exactly, the fact is like that, there are several clubs in the UCL and UEL that play very enthusiastically, very optimally, but when they return to the domestic league, it really drops. Serie A, there are several clubs like that, in the Bundesliga too, and in other leagues. Because the UEFA Champions League is that prestigious. However, if they want to focus on the domestic leagues too, they can return to the UCL for the next season. But maybe each club has its own target. One example in Serie A, Inter Milan is the most ideal role model here for Serie A, both in the UCL and the domestic League.

[ajiz138]

That's what makes the difference between the domestic league and the Champions League. In the Champions League their enthusiasm seems to increase, that's because it's the biggest competition in Europe.

Exactly, the fact is like that, there are several clubs in the UCL and UEL that play very enthusiastically, very optimally, but when they return to the domestic league, it really drops. Serie A, there are several clubs like that, in the Bundesliga too, and in other leagues. Because the UEFA Champions League is that prestigious. However, if they want to focus on the domestic leagues too, they can return to the UCL for the next season. But maybe each club has its own target. One example in Serie A, Inter Milan is the most ideal role model here for Serie A, both in the UCL and the domestic League.

Even if you compare the Champions League and the European League, it still has a difference, because I also see the enthusiasm in the European League is not as big as in the Champions League.

But we must have understood that because the European League is the 2nd competition after the Champions League. And even some big teams that are usually in the Champions League and they have to be in the European League, it seems they are not too enthusiastic.

[koang]

You are absolutely right, I am a big Juve fan, but I don't know, I think there must be internal problems with the players, the coach, with everything because their performance is very bad, they are having problems of all kinds, even in defense when at one point I thought it was the best defense in Italy, so given these things we are affected by these results, for me Napoli is doing very well as is Napoli, I think Juve has to win all the games that come their way.

Juventus has a defense that is actually quite good. But this season this team does not have an attack line that is sharp enough to create many goals. but the problems at this club are not as simple as imagined. because similar problems always occur in almost every season. And one fact that is quite unique is that at the start of the season Juventus can always perform well. And that's happened in the last few seasons even with different coaches. But towards the middle of the season they usually weaken. And this pattern seems to repeat itself.

Thiago Motta holds a large share of responsibility for the current mess around Juventus and I don’t understand why Motta doesn’t build a strong Italian core. They spend big money on foreign players who don’t deliver. Every successful Juve team has had an Italian core,
The owners and management group have turned their back on the club's heritage and history. Juventus is Italy and must return to its idea. It's their connection to the club and culture that helps to create an identity.

Well, Thiago Motta does have a big responsibility. As a young coach he has actually worked well. And maybe if he is given the opportunity in the next season he will be able to improve on his existing shortcomings. Because he should now realize what Juventus is lacking. It's just that currently there is a lot of news that Thiago Motta's relationship with the players is not good enough. Because there are several players who are even reportedly ignoring Thiago Motta.

Yeah, I heard about it. Thiago Motta had problems with Danilo and Fagioli, fell out with Vlahovic a few months ago, and had no good relationship with Yildiz. With Gatti, Cambiaso, and Thuram the feeling is so-so.
Disputes between coaches and players are bad news for the team, enough with the stubbornness.
Everyone there is a professional, so get all these guys in a room and bury the hatchet to work out their differences. Find a solution to the problem or they will finish mid-table. IMO

[Uruhara]

You are absolutely right, I am a big Juve fan, but I don't know, I think there must be internal problems with the players, the coach, with everything because their performance is very bad, they are having problems of all kinds, even in defense when at one point I thought it was the best defense in Italy, so given these things we are affected by these results, for me Napoli is doing very well as is Napoli, I think Juve has to win all the games that come their way.

Juventus has a defense that is actually quite good. But this season this team does not have an attack line that is sharp enough to create many goals. but the problems at this club are not as simple as imagined. because similar problems always occur in almost every season. And one fact that is quite unique is that at the start of the season Juventus can always perform well. And that's happened in the last few seasons even with different coaches. But towards the middle of the season they usually weaken. And this pattern seems to repeat itself.

Thiago Motta holds a large share of responsibility for the current mess around Juventus and I don’t understand why Motta doesn’t build a strong Italian core. They spend big money on foreign players who don’t deliver. Every successful Juve team has had an Italian core,
The owners and management group have turned their back on the club's heritage and history. Juventus is Italy and must return to its idea. It's their connection to the club and culture that helps to create an identity.

Well, Thiago Motta does have a big responsibility. As a young coach he has actually worked well. And maybe if he is given the opportunity in the next season he will be able to improve on his existing shortcomings. Because he should now realize what Juventus is lacking. It's just that currently there is a lot of news that Thiago Motta's relationship with the players is not good enough. Because there are several players who are even reportedly ignoring Thiago Motta.

Yeah, I heard about it. Thiago Motta had problems with Danilo and Fagioli, fell out with Vlahovic a few months ago, and had no good relationship with Yildiz. With Gatti, Cambiaso, and Thuram the feeling is so-so.
Disputes between coaches and players are bad news for the team, enough with the stubbornness.
Everyone there is a professional, so get all these guys in a room and bury the hatchet to work out their differences. Find a solution to the problem or they will finish mid-table. IMO

Problems regarding players and coaches can sometimes have a big impact on the performance of the team itself. And indeed all of this must be resolved quickly. because if not, it will only result in the team not being in optimal condition. There are quite a lot of cases like this, namely disputes between coaches and players. Sometimes this also has a bad impact on the player. And sometimes in the end there will always be someone eliminated from one of the parties.

[Agbe]

Thiago motta should know that he is a professional so any issues he is having with his players should not affect the quality of play at the pitch because he should be professional with his job, I don't even understand why exactly a player will be having issues with his coach that is unprofessional and should not be accepted by the clubs management, if a player is not playing according to instructions then the player should be dropped to the bench until he is ready to play because when ever there is misunderstanding between two people in an organization you will see that there will be no progress in such an organization so that is what is playing out in the case of Juventus because we have seen them lose scandalously in the past two matches

[Uruhara]

Thiago motta should know that he is a professional so any issues he is having with his players should not affect the quality of play at the pitch because he should be professional with his job, I don't even understand why exactly a player will be having issues with his coach that is unprofessional and should not be accepted by the clubs management, if a player is not playing according to instructions then the player should be dropped to the bench until he is ready to play because when ever there is misunderstanding between two people in an organization you will see that there will be no progress in such an organization so that is what is playing out in the case of Juventus because we have seen them lose scandalously in the past two matches

Yes, this could be a problem all this time, it turns out that what has been haunting Juventus is things like the estrangement of the relationship between the coach and the players. I hope that both the players and coaches at the Juventus club can be more professional and no longer only care about their own egos. And if there is a misunderstanding then everything should be resolved as soon as possible. Because if everything is allowed to continue, the problem will sometimes become more complicated and difficult to solve. I remember the situation at Atletico Madrid when their coach had a disagreement with Joao Felix which resulted in Felix ending up on loan to another club and in the end even being sold. even though he was a good player on his initial debut there. But due to the mismatch between players and coaches at that time, things also became bad for the performance of the club and the players themselves. So if it can't be resolved quickly then someone will have to leave in the end.

[UNIVERSE]

Well, Thiago Motta does have a big responsibility. As a young coach he has actually worked well. And maybe if he is given the opportunity in the next season he will be able to improve on his existing shortcomings. Because he should now realize what Juventus is lacking. It's just that currently there is a lot of news that Thiago Motta's relationship with the players is not good enough. Because there are several players who are even reportedly ignoring Thiago Motta.

Of course, Motta has the responsibility of the Juventus performance. He must improve Juventus performance because everyone expects a better performance. Unfortunately, Juventus performance is worse in the last match. They never won in the last 2 matches. They are getting far from the scudetto. Even they seems difficult to finish in the top 3. The reasonable target is to finish in UCL zone (4th place). But to finish in the top 4, he must have good relationship with the players. So they can play optimally.

[sampoerna]

Exactly, the fact is like that, there are several clubs in the UCL and UEL that play very enthusiastically, very optimally, but when they return to the domestic league, it really drops. Serie A, there are several clubs like that, in the Bundesliga too, and in other leagues. Because the UEFA Champions League is that prestigious. However, if they want to focus on the domestic leagues too, they can return to the UCL for the next season. But maybe each club has its own target. One example in Serie A, Inter Milan is the most ideal role model here for Serie A, both in the UCL and the domestic League.

Even if you compare the Champions League and the European League, it still has a difference, because I also see the enthusiasm in the European League is not as big as in the Champions League.

But we must have understood that because the European League is the 2nd competition after the Champions League. And even some big teams that are usually in the Champions League and they have to be in the European League, it seems they are not too enthusiastic.

of course, the Champions League is the most prestigious football match for now and of course the top clubs always want to be part of the match every season, that's why they must do their best to be in the rankings to be able to enter the UCL qualification. and, this will not be easy, many top clubs from each league are very enthusiastic about the various pressures and conditions that exist, they are ready with all their desires and strengths to fight.

Yes, but it won't be that easy because in fact, the strong in the domestic league does not necessarily win in the UCL. There are several things that also affect the process and we really enjoy it all. Thanks.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Disputes between coaches and players are bad news for the team, enough with the stubbornness.
Everyone there is a professional, so get all these guys in a room and bury the hatchet to work out their differences. Find a solution to the problem or they will finish mid-table. IMO

At this point we see that the players do not give in either, because they are professionals, sought after in some teams because they believe that they can also have a voice and vote, which then they realize that they are important, but as long as there are these types of friction it is never good, neither in a football team nor in any area of ​​life, the differences must be resolved, brought to a consensus and knowing that the one who has the final say on what is done and what is not is the coach, then everyone must be clear about that and reach agreements for the good of the team.

[ajiz138]

Even if you compare the Champions League and the European League, it still has a difference, because I also see the enthusiasm in the European League is not as big as in the Champions League.

But we must have understood that because the European League is the 2nd competition after the Champions League. And even some big teams that are usually in the Champions League and they have to be in the European League, it seems they are not too enthusiastic.

of course, the Champions League is the most prestigious football match for now and of course the top clubs always want to be part of the match every season, that's why they must do their best to be in the rankings to be able to enter the UCL qualification. and, this will not be easy, many top clubs from each league are very enthusiastic about the various pressures and conditions that exist, they are ready with all their desires and strengths to fight.

Yes, but it won't be that easy because in fact, the strong in the domestic league does not necessarily win in the UCL. There are several things that also affect the process and we really enjoy it all. Thanks.

Those who are strong in the domestic league are not necessarily champions in the Champions League, and those who play very well in the Champions League are not necessarily champions in the domestic league.

We always see this in the Champions League where teams usually show different performances between the two competitions. In the sense that they are not very consistent, only a few teams can do it.

[babo]

Well, Thiago Motta does have a big responsibility. As a young coach he has actually worked well. And maybe if he is given the opportunity in the next season he will be able to improve on his existing shortcomings. Because he should now realize what Juventus is lacking. It's just that currently there is a lot of news that Thiago Motta's relationship with the players is not good enough. Because there are several players who are even reportedly ignoring Thiago Motta.

Of course, Motta has the responsibility of the Juventus performance. He must improve Juventus performance because everyone expects a better performance. Unfortunately, Juventus performance is worse in the last match. They never won in the last 2 matches. They are getting far from the scudetto. Even they seems difficult to finish in the top 3. The reasonable target is to finish in UCL zone (4th place). But to finish in the top 4, he must have good relationship with the players. So they can play optimally.

it's clear that he's responsible
above all he didn't have such a difficult objective, he has to finish the championship in the top 4 to go to the Champions League, it doesn't seem like such a complicated thing to me
if he doesn't manage to get it, the season is practically wasted, and they've invested a lot of money

[Uruhara]

Those who are strong in the domestic league are not necessarily champions in the Champions League, and those who play very well in the Champions League are not necessarily champions in the domestic league.

We always see this in the Champions League where teams usually show different performances between the two competitions. In the sense that they are not very consistent, only a few teams can do it.

Yes, sometimes a team's performance is very different in a very big competition. An example at the moment is Aston Villa, which always plays very well in the UCL, even though in the Premier League it seems Aston Villa is not playing well enough. And conversely Liverpool played well in the domestic league but they were bad in the UCL in the end and had to lose to PSG. Meanwhile, Inter Milan is always almost equal in all competitions.