Do you think mixers will advertise in altcoinstalks?

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

More than 98% of money laundering is done with FIAT, but that doesn't matter to some, cryptocurrencies do, because they are not under their control. Mixers are not illegal, we just have to act thinking about the future.

You are actually right, @Freemind. I still remember an article I was reading about banks that were found to be mostly used in money laundering, and then I saw the name of the bank, like Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), Nauru, Danske Bank, Standard Chartered Bank, and Wachovia Bank. The fact is that billions of dollars of laundered money have actually passed through those banks, and I believe that the record that those authorities took was only for the one that they caught; there were still many other laundering cases that were not noticed.

Money laundering is not only done through crypto or Bitcoin mixers. I think the problem that the government has with Bitcoin mixers is the privacy they give to Bitcoin users. Although we cannot completely dispute the fact that some money launderers might use mixers to commit illegal acts, but it doesn't condemn Bitcoin mixers illegal. Or should we say that "Banks" are illegal because some have been used for money laundering?

@OP, The Bitcointalk global admin has only taken precautions to protect himself and the forum from government claims in the future that could lead to shutting down the forum. The global administrator of bitcointalk is a US citizen and known by his identity.

I have already read the admin's topic regarding promoting any service on this forum, and it is not an offense even if all the mixers come here to promote their service.

[Learn Bitcoin]

Indeed a good question.
1- Server is not in the US
2- I highly doubt they even have the right to ask for IPs, also most people use VPN
3- I personally think that mixers do not have a worse role than HSBC or Swiss banks, and they are important for privacy. And mixers are not illegal.
4- We are not operating a mixer.

Thanks, admin, for the clarification. So, this will be a safe place for Mixers' services. I have seen a lot of members asking why a platform has to censor a specific service while they do not operate it, nor are they connected with the service anyway. I don't think the admin has a valid answer to the question. Anyway, I do not expect any censorship unless something is illegal.

[SamReomo]

I know they're going to be allowed to advertise here as the admin has pointed out. I'm curious the policy on whether or not to cooperate with law enforcement? If they come in asking for IPs of people promoting mixers 1 day, will the forum comply?

simple answer No,
because they do not have the right, and i am not a US citizen, nor the server is in the US
there are a 1000 other reason that i will not go into in details.

Pretty bold answer I believe and yes I guess it's your right to not allow anyone to get details of the users who are active on your site and are working as members of the site. I believe that in that forum the admin had no other option and that's why he decided to take actions in the form of not allowing mixers to run their campaigns anymore.

I believe that law enforcement agencies aren't against the mixers in general but they are against those mixers that might have done shady mixings which were somehow involved with money laundering cases. That's the reason for seizing of those mixers and the good mixers should not get any problem because they aren't doing any shady things.

[admin]

Indeed a good question.
1- Server is not in the US
2- I highly doubt they even have the right to ask for IPs, also most people use VPN
3- I personally think that mixers do not have a worse role than HSBC or Swiss banks, and they are important for privacy. And mixers are not illegal.
4- We are not operating a mixer.

Thanks, admin, for the clarification. So, this will be a safe place for Mixers' services. I have seen a lot of members asking why a platform has to censor a specific service while they do not operate it, nor are they connected with the service anyway. I don't think the admin has a valid answer to the question. Anyway, I do not expect any censorship unless something is illegal.

We are libertarians , we don't like governments involvements
so it's not about mixers , but about F the government censorship and meddling in everything.
It's an ideological position.

[mu_enrico]

From the business perspective, it depends on whether or not the campaign attracts enough traffic. But at least the admin already said it's okay to advertise so it's up to the masses and Google SERP God.

[Learn Bitcoin]

Thanks, admin, for the clarification. So, this will be a safe place for Mixers' services. I have seen a lot of members asking why a platform has to censor a specific service while they do not operate it, nor are they connected with the service anyway. I don't think the admin has a valid answer to the question. Anyway, I do not expect any censorship unless something is illegal.

We are libertarians , we don't like governments involvements
so it's not about mixers , but about F the government censorship and meddling in everything.
It's an ideological position.

We are here for a reason. Crypto users never wanted to be dominated by the government, which was the reason Satoshi created Bitcoin decades ago. Then, other currencies were invented, and anonymity lovers widely accepted the concept of cryptocurrency. The government always wanted to control everything people do, including their digital footprint. Now, they are trying to limit us on the internet as well. We always needed people who would stand against them.

Instead, most platform owners started cooperating with the government and transferring users' data. That's not what we wanted. We wanted an internet where we could write anything. We can raise our voices! I was never been a fan of altcoins! Nor altcoinstalks. But if it gives me more freedom than another centralized platform, let it become my other home.

[SamReomo]

We are here for a reason. Crypto users never wanted to be dominated by the government, which was the reason Satoshi created Bitcoin decades ago. Then, other currencies were invented, and anonymity lovers widely accepted the concept of cryptocurrency. The government always wanted to control everything people do, including their digital footprint. Now, they are trying to limit us on the internet as well. We always needed people who would stand against them.

I believe that standing against government isn't a good step and in fact that's not possible fully because we are living in the matrix which we can't avoid and that's why it won't be helpful for anyone to stand against governments. I agree that Satoshi created Bitcoin because he really didn't like the concept of centralized currencies and wanted to have something that would allow anyone to trade goods without any interference from third parties(Centralized Banks,) and he created Bitcoin.

But, now the Bitcoin isn't the same it used to be because the centralized exchanges control a lot of Bitcoin and most users save their Bitcoin on those centralized exchanges. Which's something Satoshi never thought of but that's a truth which we can't neglect. I'm pretty impressed by the statement of the admin that he won't share any information of the users to any authorities which's something great to hear and I believe that's enough for our satisfaction.

[Obari]

The only reason the government is making mixers seem like a taboo is the fact that it offers privacy without giving access to the government and you know that, whatever offers such privacy is always kicked against by the government and one sweetest ting is that admin isn’t from the states neither is the proxy of this site state based so I think this place is a safe haven for mixers

[DaNNy001]

The only reason the government is making mixers seem like a taboo is the fact that it offers privacy without giving access to the government and you know that, whatever offers such privacy is always kicked against by the government and one sweetest ting is that admin isn’t from the states neither is the proxy of this site state based so I think this place is a safe haven for mixers

Definitely a safe Haven indeed, because just like you said mixers are service that don't allow anyone control it, I mean they are the epitome of decentralized mechanism and the government for one knows this and is using the fact that criminal also exploit their use to actually fight against their legality in the cryptocurrency industry.

[Coinmama7824]

it seems like the btctalk forum is already announcing the mixers are not allowed to advertise there.  this forum needs to shine and do its work to accommodate them.

It sure would be nice to start advertising mixers here, because I love the idea of mixers, the anonymity and security it offers,
I still don't get why BitcoinTalk decided to stop advertising mixers on the forum. But regardless, it depends completely on the admins to decide if or not they'd allow it or not.

[winterfrost]

it seems like the btctalk forum is already announcing the mixers are not allowed to advertise there.  this forum needs to shine and do its work to accommodate them.

Lets say all mixers come here to promote their service, will the admin of altcointalks do the same action as bitcointalk later?

There is a reason for everything and if the admin of altcointalk see it as something worth doing for the good of altcointalk then it is a good decision.

[Learn Bitcoin]

We are here for a reason. Crypto users never wanted to be dominated by the government, which was the reason Satoshi created Bitcoin decades ago. Then, other currencies were invented, and anonymity lovers widely accepted the concept of cryptocurrency. The government always wanted to control everything people do, including their digital footprint. Now, they are trying to limit us on the internet as well. We always needed people who would stand against them.

I believe that standing against government isn't a good step and in fact that's not possible fully because we are living in the matrix which we can't avoid and that's why it won't be helpful for anyone to stand against governments. I agree that Satoshi created Bitcoin because he really didn't like the concept of centralized currencies and wanted to have something that would allow anyone to trade goods without any interference from third parties(Centralized Banks,) and he created Bitcoin.

People always had to stand against the government to get freedom from them. Nothing is easier. If you know that you are right and they are forcing you illegally, you have to protest. If you say it's not a good idea, we cannot be friends, buddy. I always believe in the right thing. If the government forcibly takes my own land, won't I protect it?

The government does not have the right to violate my privacy. They do not have the right to know where I kept my hard-earned money. It's my money. I paid tax for it. Now, what else do they want from me? Mixers are not illegal until they prove they are doing shady things.

[SamReomo]

People always had to stand against the government to get freedom from them. Nothing is easier. If you know that you are right and they are forcing you illegally, you have to protest. If you say it's not a good idea, we cannot be friends, buddy. I always believe in the right thing. If the government forcibly takes my own land, won't I protect it?

The government does not have the right to violate my privacy. They do not have the right to know where I kept my hard-earned money. It's my money. I paid tax for it. Now, what else do they want from me? Mixers are not illegal until they prove they are doing shady things.

We don't need to get freedom from government but we have to do something that would protect our privacy. Going against a government isn't the best approach I believe because we always have to have some government taking control of our countries and we can't harm the government at all. I also support your concerns about the privacy and it's our right to do something that's not against the rules or laws of our region.

Governments should not be allowed to take our own land or properties and we can legally take action against them. Brother we can only fight for our rights and it's not possible to fight the governments. Let's say if we get freedom from one government then we get under another government that forms after the freedom. That's why I believe we can't be free from the governments. I agree with you that the mixers aren't illegal and they should not be treated as illegal but they're providing privacy and that can be hurdle for some guys who want to interfere with others privacy.

[Learn Bitcoin]

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It's like you agree with my point of view regarding protecting your privacy, but when it is the government, you decide not to stand against them. It's like, I will talk against illegal things, but if it's my boss, It's not a good idea to stand against him. Isn't that sound like that? I will not stand against the government for something that only benefits me. I won't stand against the government when they ask for tax because it's their right to take tax and VAT.

Do you always co-operate with the police? Do you allow them to enter your home, be searched, and get arrested without a warrant? I don't think so. If you are innocent, stand against them and don't get arrested.

[Freemind]

It's like you agree with my point of view regarding protecting your privacy, but when it is the government, you decide not to stand against them. It's like, I will talk against illegal things, but if it's my boss, It's not a good idea to stand against him. Isn't that sound like that? I will not stand against the government for something that only benefits me. I won't stand against the government when they ask for tax because it's their right to take tax and VAT.

Do you always co-operate with the police? Do you allow them to enter your home, be searched, and get arrested without a warrant? I don't think so. If you are innocent, stand against them and don't get arrested.

We agree that when a government wants (I am not going to say which country because we all know it) everything is for “citizen protection.” We also know that it is a lie and that all they want is to have us under their control. Any government fears what it does not know, but it fears much more what it does not know and cannot control. We have a clear example of what I just said in China with the CBDC currency tests. Every government will condemn (with more or less excuses) the mixers, they are out of their control.