[NBA] Unofficial Discussion Thread

[Jating]

Still speculation for me I guess, why would Butler leave Miami though, he had a good run with the team, although most of it's role players are gone now, but they can build another around him as their leader and then see how it goes for them.

The Heat and Butler have been deep in the playoffs a few times over the last few years. I'd even say there were times when the Heat were one step away from a title. But, unfortunately, they were unlucky and I personally think that the good moment for the Heat and Butler is already gone. I mean, Butler is already 35 years old, and building a new team around him doesn't sound very promising.

I know, but I still think that they could have one final push for this season, but if everything fails, they might get disbanded for good and the Heat starting to rebuild with their rookies that they can get in the draft.

He could still be the leader of the Heat if management wishes to extend his stay, otherwise if the speculation is true, we might find Butler looking for a championship team and could be willing to be in the sideline role and not the leader of the team.

[Baofeng]

Still speculation for me I guess, why would Butler leave Miami though, he had a good run with the team, although most of it's role players are gone now, but they can build another around him as their leader and then see how it goes for them.

The Heat and Butler have been deep in the playoffs a few times over the last few years. I'd even say there were times when the Heat were one step away from a title. But, unfortunately, they were unlucky and I personally think that the good moment for the Heat and Butler is already gone. I mean, Butler is already 35 years old, and building a new team around him doesn't sound very promising.

Yes, he and the Heat was in the verge of upsetting the Lakers during the bubble  but Lebron has other plans that time. And they still did great as well in the next couple of seasons but that core team or at least their role players decided to move on some teams.

So probably Butler too is thinking that as well, he needs a fresh start. But I'm not sure if he could be a perfect team on Lakers or the Warriors. It will be a gamble for him to get out of the Heat and perhaps it's better if he will retire as Heat in my opinion.

[Zed0X]

^ Yeah, retiring as a Heat is probably his best choice if he wants more playing time. I doubt he will have as much freedom to operate if he moves to another team. I think he knows that very well since he's been with teams where he's not the main guy like the Wolves and the Sixers.

[LogitechMouse]

^ Yeah, retiring as a Heat is probably his best choice if he wants more playing time. I doubt he will have as much freedom to operate if he moves to another team. I think he knows that very well since he's been with teams where he's not the main guy like the Wolves and the Sixers.

He doesn't want more playing time, and I don't think that he wants to retire as a Heat as well.
What he wants is MONEY. MONEY and more money.

We saw that he's interested in moving to Brooklyn a few weeks ago, and out of all the teams out there, why Brooklyn? It's because they have a huge cap space, enough for Butler to get attracted and move there. Although this is just a rumor, I believe that Butler wants more money than anything else. Him staying with the Heat will have him more freedom to operate yes, but depending on him isn't sustainable. We've seen him getting injured last playoffs and didn't play at all, and because of that, we've seen the Heat almost got swept by the Celtics. The outcome might be different or at least it ended up better for the Heat if Butler played but he didn't.

Overall, I like Butler to stay with the Heat, but it's his choice if he will go to other team just for the sake of money.

[Jating]

^ Yeah, retiring as a Heat is probably his best choice if he wants more playing time. I doubt he will have as much freedom to operate if he moves to another team. I think he knows that very well since he's been with teams where he's not the main guy like the Wolves and the Sixers.

He doesn't want more playing time, and I don't think that he wants to retire as a Heat as well.
What he wants is MONEY. MONEY and more money.

We saw that he's interested in moving to Brooklyn a few weeks ago, and out of all the teams out there, why Brooklyn? It's because they have a huge cap space, enough for Butler to get attracted and move there. Although this is just a rumor, I believe that Butler wants more money than anything else. Him staying with the Heat will have him more freedom to operate yes, but depending on him isn't sustainable. We've seen him getting injured last playoffs and didn't play at all, and because of that, we've seen the Heat almost got swept by the Celtics. The outcome might be different or at least it ended up better for the Heat if Butler played but he didn't.

Overall, I like Butler to stay with the Heat, but it's his choice if he will go to other team just for the sake of money.

We can't really blame him if he chooses to go out, this time though, I will have to agree with you about why players chooses to move to other team, and it's all about the money.

And we can say that there is no loyalty, although there are a couple of players who chooses to remain in a certain team and then retire with them as franchise players. But there could be players leaving because of money and then the chance to win a ring with other teams. And this could be in Butler's mind, I reckon.

[LogitechMouse]

^ Yeah, retiring as a Heat is probably his best choice if he wants more playing time. I doubt he will have as much freedom to operate if he moves to another team. I think he knows that very well since he's been with teams where he's not the main guy like the Wolves and the Sixers.

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Overall, I like Butler to stay with the Heat, but it's his choice if he will go to other team just for the sake of money.

We can't really blame him if he chooses to go out, this time though, I will have to agree with you about why players chooses to move to other team, and it's all about the money.

And we can say that there is no loyalty, although there are a couple of players who chooses to remain in a certain team and then retire with them as franchise players. But there could be players leaving because of money and then the chance to win a ring with other teams. And this could be in Butler's mind, I reckon.

There has been a few people that played on a single team all throughout their career.
Duncan, Dirk, Kobe (RIP) are just some of them. Steph might be included if he will retire as a Warrior.

As for the chance to win a ring, there are many superstars who are trying to move to another team for the sake of the ring, but I believe this isn't the case for Butler, because if he really wants to win a title, he will not say "Brooklyn" because we know that the team's rebuilding currently. Him going to the Warriors might happen, but that only if he wants it, but even though Butler will be on Golden State (assuming that he will be traded there), I don't think that they will be a title contender.

I have no hate to these players who're willing to be traded just for the sake of either money or winning a ring and as for Butler, Pat Riley hate him because of his past comments against the Celtics, so I will not be surprised if he really will get traded to another team. The only question is which team.

[Baofeng]

Speaking of DRose retirement and questions about him and the Bull retiring his jersey, the Toronto Raptors recently announced that they will retire Vince Carter jersey, Raptors will retire Vince Carter's No. 15 jersey in November

The Toronto Raptors will retire the No. 15 jersey of eight-time All-Star Vince Carter on Nov. 2, team president Masai Ujiri announced Friday during a public function. “We do it with great pride and great honor,” Ujiri said. “So on behalf of all of us, we say congratulations Vince.” Carter was in Toronto for a ceremony at the renovated Vince Carter Court, where he was overcome with emotion as Ujiri surprised him with the news that he would become the first Raptors player to have his jersey raised to the rafters at Scotiabank Arena.

“I’m beyond words,” Carter said per The Canadian Press.

The Raptors hung No. 15 jerseys throughout Toronto in the days leading up to Friday’s announcement.

So maybe there could still be some hint that the Bulls might do it for DRose. Yes, he didn't win a ring for them and so is Carter, and DRose really put the Bulls on the map during his stay with them with his freak athleticism and posterizing Dragic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRAp00SxP30

[Baofeng]

No one talks about Jimmy Butler's hair style on the media day? hehehe.

I think there was even a bet on what kind of hair style he will show in the media day. Unfortunately, he didn't have that swag on his hairstyle and appears to be just normal. Not sure why, but perhaps he could be just tired of this attention although at some point I think he likes it that's why he go full emo the last time. 

[Jating]

^^ Jimmy Butler just try to be normal in the media day, that's it. And he said that “Normal hair, no shenanigans,’’. And it could be mean that he is really focused on this upcoming season. Remember that he got injured and didn't play in the playoff as much as he can and so they lost again.

Although Pat Riley said in the past that the Heat is not going to extend Butler's contract. However, I believed that they could have been just waiting for Butler's performance this season and see if it is worth for the Heat to make him a offer that he can't refuse.

[Baofeng]

It is reported that Luka will be out on the opening season game because he has suffered a left calf contusion. However, nothing for the fans of Mavs as this is just minor and most likely he will needed to rest his calf.

So nothing like he needs operations or something, but it's just weird that he had a injury already and we are not even at the start of the season. Don't want to be superstitious or something, but it might be a bad sign though. 

[Jating]

It is reported that Luka will be out on the opening season game because he has suffered a left calf contusion. However, nothing for the fans of Mavs as this is just minor and most likely he will needed to rest his calf.

So nothing like he needs operations or something, but it's just weird that he had a injury already and we are not even at the start of the season. Don't want to be superstitious or something, but it might be a bad sign though. 

Maybe he was just very eager to practice, didn't go on the proper warm up and that's why it look like he pull his calf muscle. And I think this is just normal for basketball players to get this injuries.

I mean we all know that before going to play in practice, at least we should jog a bit and increase the temperature of our body. So no worries, no need to be superstitious of something. This is not a bad sign for him or the Mavs, just a simply injury and nothing to it.

[Jating]

And history has been made tonight, the first father and son duo, playing at the same time. We have been talking about this for a long time that Lebron is going to wait for his son to played. But we didn't think that it will be this season, we thought that Bronny will stay and play college basketball. But I guess Lebron Sr, can't wait for it to happen as he knows that the future might not be good for him in the next 2-3 years and so now, this new season, they've etched their names in the history of the NBA again.

[Baofeng]

How about Ja Morant getting injured in the pre-season?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv-tlz9TvN8

It's a bad sign for the Memphis, and it seems that he might follow what Derrick Rose before him. Not saying that he might suffered a career injury, but with the way he plays, sooner or later he will get another injury and it might really affect him in the long run.

[Zed0X]

^ Ankle injury is common among basketball players but it's rare to see such type. I don't think it's that serious or that it will take him months to recover. He was just unlucky to have his foot hit by the ball and has nothing to do with the way he plays.

[bisdak40]

How about Ja Morant getting injured in the pre-season?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv-tlz9TvN8

It's a bad sign for the Memphis, and it seems that he might follow what Derrick Rose before him. Not saying that he might suffered a career injury, but with the way he plays, sooner or later he will get another injury and it might really affect him in the long run.

It’s definitely a bad sign. His style of play makes him prone to injury; even a slight bump in the air and an awkward fall could cause him harm. However, I don’t think he’ll change his approach, as that’s how he plays. Unfortunately, this could potentially shorten his NBA career just like Derrick Rose.