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[MrSpasybo]

I don't think anyone seeking a privacy platform would seeking social media to get information about it.. I wouldn't .

I cant imagine Mixtum and other mixers doing that on X and other social media websites.
They could only get more attention from governments by doing that, and I would avoid doing that and rubbing their noses.
Search engine ads and forum promotions are much better.

I'm simply offering a suggestion to help MixTum expand its user base. I believe this could be incorporated into a marketing campaign, and MixTum team can consider to make the best decision for the future of MixTum.

I'm not trying to give any advice, I just want to see MixTum continue to operate stably to be one of my top choices when I want to mix BTC.

[Freemind]

Karma is basically worthless here - it is not as large as in Bitcointalk, it won't help you get into any campaigns, and nobody really cares much about it in general. I don't know why someone would waste their time farming karma on this forum.

I don't agree that karma is worthless in this forum. Another thing is that managers don't consider a user's Karma amount (at the moment) to be relevant for signature campaigns, but that can change at any time. The administrator said that a new rule will be implemented on the forum, where users must have a certain amount of Karma in order to reach the next rank. When that new rule is implemented, there may come a time when managers believe that Karma is relevant to accepting users in a signature campaign. There is still no exact date to know when the new rule will be implemented.

[NotATether]

Karma is basically worthless here - it is not as large as in Bitcointalk, it won't help you get into any campaigns, and nobody really cares much about it in general. I don't know why someone would waste their time farming karma on this forum.

I don't agree that karma is worthless in this forum. Another thing is that managers don't consider a user's Karma amount (at the moment) to be relevant for signature campaigns, but that can change at any time. The administrator said that a new rule will be implemented on the forum, where users must have a certain amount of Karma in order to reach the next rank. When that new rule is implemented, there may come a time when managers believe that Karma is relevant to accepting users in a signature campaign. There is still no exact date to know when the new rule will be implemented.

OK, I wasn't aware of that.  However, what is going to stop people from simply adding +1 karma to each of a particular user's posts, as a form of merit abuse? I believe that each post can only get one karma, so that's a good start. However, I don't think it would be enough to stop a determined merit abuser (although I don't know if just any account can send karma or not).

[Lucius]

OK, I wasn't aware of that.  However, what is going to stop people from simply adding +1 karma to each of a particular user's posts, as a form of merit abuse? I believe that each post can only get one karma, so that's a good start. However, I don't think it would be enough to stop a determined merit abuser (although I don't know if just any account can send karma or not).

Nothing prevents members from giving karma points in the way they think it should be done, and certainly there is abuse in all of this. As far as I know, a new feature should be available in the future that would show which post got karma so that we will be able to fight abuses more efficiently - now (except admin I guess) no one can know which post got positive/negative karma.

As for the rules for giving karma, all members who are Senior Rank+ can give them unlimitedly, and I think there is a limit of 1 user to another user only 1 karma every 10 hours.

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However, what is going to stop people from simply adding +1 karma to each of a particular user's posts, as a form of merit abuse?

admin has insight into giving karma between users, there was almost an exposed case of farming karma points between alt accounts. It resulted in returning to 0 karma points for all connected accounts.
btw. It would be good if we all had at least an indication of which post received (and how many) karma points.

[MrSpasybo]

admin has insight into giving karma between users, there was almost an exposed case of farming karma points between alt accounts. It resulted in returning to 0 karma points for all connected accounts.
btw. It would be good if we all had at least an indication of which post received (and how many) karma points.

It seems like we've gone too far off-topic. The Karma issue should be discussed in the Forum related, and honestly, it has been discussed a lot over the past few years ^^

Right now, I'm quite worried about a new proposal to freeze crypto assets related to Mixers. This is really worrying to me because I have always been concerned about the cleanliness of my BTC and have often used Mixers to make sure they are always "clean" enough to avoid problems when depositing them into accounts on CEXs. If CEXs have to freeze all crypto assets related to Mixers, I will have to find other ways to make sure my account is okay. I'm not even sure if every satoshi in my account has ever been associated with Mixers in the past few years

• U.S. Members Of Congress Propose Two-Year Ban On Crypto Mixers

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Right now, I'm quite worried about a new proposal to freeze crypto assets related to Mixers. This is really worrying to me because I have always been concerned about the cleanliness of my BTC and have often used Mixers to make sure they are always "clean" enough to avoid problems when depositing them into accounts on CEXs. If CEXs have to freeze all crypto assets related to Mixers, I will have to find other ways to make sure my account is okay. I'm not even sure if every satoshi in my account has ever been associated with Mixers in the past few years

• U.S. Members Of Congress Propose Two-Year Ban On Crypto Mixers
  

I'm fine with this if it's clearly defined.
This law will apply to US citizens. Also, every service that is subject to such a law should have a clear notification to its users that they do not accept coins from mixers or whatever and that there is a possibility of blocking or confiscating coins.
If we all ignored such services, they would certainly think differently about this problem.

[bitmover]

I'm not even sure if every satoshi in my account has ever been associated with Mixers in the past few years

• U.S. Members Of Congress Propose Two-Year Ban On Crypto Mixers
  

It is very likely that most of your satoshis have been in a mixer at some point.

Exchanges can't check the complete history of  every sat. They will probably check the past 3-6 transactions...

You could just make a few hops inside your own wallet , or even exchange them for another coin in a swap service if you are very  paranoid.

[Lucius]

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You could just make a few hops inside your own wallet , or even exchange them for another coin in a swap service if you are very  paranoid.

It's always a good extra step for anyone who wants extra privacy, but it comes at a price since every transaction has a price. However, I would rather pay a few $ more than have possible problems when my coins arrive at their destination. Now that I'm already thinking about it, maybe mixers could also enable additional "mixing" of already mixed coins in a way to make a couple of hops through addresses that the client could specify in the mixing process.

[paid2]

Right now, I'm quite worried about a new proposal to freeze crypto assets related to Mixers. This is really worrying to me because I have always been concerned about the cleanliness of my BTC and have often used Mixers to make sure they are always "clean" enough to avoid problems when depositing them into accounts on CEXs. If CEXs have to freeze all crypto assets related to Mixers, I will have to find other ways to make sure my account is okay. I'm not even sure if every satoshi in my account has ever been associated with Mixers in the past few years

• U.S. Members Of Congress Propose Two-Year Ban On Crypto Mixers
  

Even if something like this become a reality one day, with a service like Mixtum, or any other service using Jambler you would be fine, as the concept itself is to receive coins from regulated exchanges.

Just check the following messages :
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314446.msg1533631#msg1533631
or https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314446.msg1534096#msg1534096[/li]
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[Freemind]

Karma is basically worthless here - it is not as large as in Bitcointalk, it won't help you get into any campaigns, and nobody really cares much about it in general. I don't know why someone would waste their time farming karma on this forum.

I don't agree that karma is worthless in this forum. Another thing is that managers don't consider a user's Karma amount (at the moment) to be relevant for signature campaigns, but that can change at any time. The administrator said that a new rule will be implemented on the forum, where users must have a certain amount of Karma in order to reach the next rank. When that new rule is implemented, there may come a time when managers believe that Karma is relevant to accepting users in a signature campaign. There is still no exact date to know when the new rule will be implemented.

OK, I wasn't aware of that.  However, what is going to stop people from simply adding +1 karma to each of a particular user's posts, as a form of merit abuse? I believe that each post can only get one karma, so that's a good start. However, I don't think it would be enough to stop a determined merit abuser (although I don't know if just any account can send karma or not).

To start, users must be at least senior members and can only give +1 every 10 hours. If a user receives a lot of karma without having much activity, or if a user receives a lot of karma with a lot of activity but their posts are LQP, the administrator will soon notice it in the logs, so it wouldn't cost much to put the counters back as they were and penalize users who did so. Also, the administrator is working on several things related to karma to have more control. No system is perfect and everything can be improved, but it is difficult and time-consuming.

As for your idea that each post can only receive 1 karma from the same user, it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. If you want, you can propose it in the suggestions subforum.

[SamReomo]

As for your idea that each post can only receive 1 karma from the same user, it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.

Yes, that's a good idea but I think it could cause more bugs when implemented and there might be users who may take advantage of such bugs if they somehow find those. I believe a better approach should be to allow members to send +2 Karma per day without that delay of 10 hours. However, the users may not be allowed to user more than +2 or -2 Karma to a user within 24 hours.

[dkbit98]

It is very likely that most of your satoshis have been in a mixer at some point.

Yes, but government has special magic trick to make any bitcoin sats whitelisted, and than they can sell it 
If anyone else tries to do that they are going to be charged as criminals.

Exchanges can't check the complete history of  every sat. They will probably check the past 3-6 transactions...

They are obviously not doing anything manually.
Analytics software used by them is complicated and it is checking all connections, not just ones that are previously made.
I think this is all crap,it is not exact science, and it's dangerous for Bitcoin.

[MrSpasybo]

Even if something like this become a reality one day, with a service like Mixtum, or any other service using Jambler you would be fine, as the concept itself is to receive coins from regulated exchanges.

Yeah, I've thought about this too: MixTum could guarantee that all BTC comes from CEXs and is not accused of being "dirty" money or being associated with mixers. However, there is always risk in the market, and I can be more at ease when CEXs do not take an extreme stance on BTC associated with mixers.

The opposite would happen if CEXs were forced to be more cautious and comply with new proposals related to mixers if these proposals were to be passed. I'm even quite confused about not being able to know which satoshi in my account has ever been associated with mixers, or whether my account could be frozen because 2 years ago I received 1000 satoshi associated with mixers from 5 years ago. The same would happen to hundreds of millions of CEX users around the world, and I think we would have a real mess in the crypto market.

I hope that unreasonable proposals like this will be rejected by legislators who really understand the crypto market and want the crypto market to continue to develop.

[bitmover]

They are obviously not doing anything manually.
Analytics software used by them is complicated and it is checking all connections, not just ones that are previously made.
I think this is all crap,it is not exact science, and it's dangerous for Bitcoin.

They can't check everything (all coin history). They would block a lot of people who doenst even know what mixers are  , and probably even block coins that came from another cex. Mixers exist for a long time  and the amount of coins whi has ever been in casinos or mixers is enormous.