🛡️ MixTum.io - Premium Bitcoin Mixer | Launched in 2018

[Lucius]

At least at this point, MixTum is still a reliable option for me to use to protect myself

Yeah it is, and i hope it continues that way for a very long time, regardless of the incessant attacks by the government against privacy solutions. Mixers are very important to bitcoiners who want to maintain their privacy and i hope we would always be able to use services like MixTum and other legitimate services too.

Let's be realistic, all the mixers that "failed" had major security flaws that led to the fact that they could be prevented from continuing to operate in such a way that they were seized and some of their owners were arrested. MixTum simply had to learn something from all that and prevent it from happening to them too.

Honestly, I'm more interested in what the forum administration will do if they receive an official request to remove mixers from the forum?

[NotATether]

At least at this point, MixTum is still a reliable option for me to use to protect myself

Yeah it is, and i hope it continues that way for a very long time, regardless of the incessant attacks by the government against privacy solutions. Mixers are very important to bitcoiners who want to maintain their privacy and i hope we would always be able to use services like MixTum and other legitimate services too.

Let's be realistic, all the mixers that "failed" had major security flaws that led to the fact that they could be prevented from continuing to operate in such a way that they were seized and some of their owners were arrested. MixTum simply had to learn something from all that and prevent it from happening to them too.

Honestly, I'm more interested in what the forum administration will do if they receive an official request to remove mixers from the forum?

I thought he reason why everyone came here in the first place was for the mixers? 

OK but seriously youth, there is not just security involved here as in computer security, there is also opsec. Chipmixer went down because they guy running it stole some IDs in order to buy servers, when that absolutely was not necessary in the age of bulletproof server hosts. Samourai made one bad tweet. So it really comes down to not doing anything stupid and things will be fine.

[Z-tight]

Honestly, I'm more interested in what the forum administration will do if they receive an official request to remove mixers from the forum?

The admin in the other forum didn't receive any official request to remove mixers before they did, and the presence of mixers was far higher there than what we have here, so in my honest opinion i don't think this will happen.

However, if we hypothetically agree that it happens, then mixers will have limited places to advertise their business, and newbies will likely fall for scam mixers easier.

[Etranger]

Honestly, I'm more interested in what the forum administration will do if they receive an official request to remove mixers from the forum?

I doubt that will happen. Even btt forum, where the presence of mixers was much larger, did not receive an official order. I think such forums simply do not focus the attention of institutions that ban mixers. Most likely, a ban on mixers on this forum may happen if the administrators decide preventively to play it safe themselves. But I don’t think this will happen, because the arrival of mixers has significantly increased the traffic and attendance of this forum.

[babo]

many mixers allow you to create a sort of personal frontend, for those who want and have the ability to do so, through the REST APIs
I saw that mixtum does not have any set of APIs to call, this made me a little sad
is it in the roadmap to create a REST API service or had it never been requested. mentioned?

[Lucius]

I thought he reason why everyone came here in the first place was for the mixers? 
OK but seriously youth, there is not just security involved here as in computer security, there is also opsec. Chipmixer went down because they guy running it stole some IDs in order to buy servers, when that absolutely was not necessary in the age of bulletproof server hosts. Samourai made one bad tweet. So it really comes down to not doing anything stupid and things will be fine.

We can say that there is some truth in that, but I think that those who go against the mixer are very powerful in the sense that they have the resources that allow them to detect whatever they want - the only question is how much time they need to do it. Of course, it is much easier for them when someone exposes himself, but that does not mean that they do not use other methods.

The admin in the other forum didn't receive any official request to remove mixers before they did...

I doubt that will happen. Even btt forum, where the presence of mixers was much larger, did not receive an official order.

It is possible that this did not happen, but who says that this is the absolute truth? CM was the main target and BTT was his main platform for advertising, and when they finally took over the CM, it was a much stronger message than any official order.

[examplens]

The admin in the other forum didn't receive any official request to remove mixers before they did...

I doubt that will happen. Even btt forum, where the presence of mixers was much larger, did not receive an official order.

It is possible that this did not happen, but who says that this is the absolute truth? CM was the main target and BTT was his main platform for advertising, and when they finally took over the CM, it was a much stronger message than any official order.

theymos stated at some point that there were no investigative requests regarding any mixer. It is probably true, although even if there was a request from the authorities, there are many reasons for it to remain out of the public eye.

We also have an example where a certain Allen from the IRS demanded from the eXch exchange not to make statements publicly and to avoid communication via the forum.

[dkbit98]

Chipmixer went down because they guy running it stole some IDs in order to buy servers, when that absolutely was not necessary in the age of bulletproof server hosts. Samourai made one bad tweet. So it really comes down to not doing anything stupid and things will be fine.

This is official story for Chipmixer but I seriously doubt that accused guy was the real owner of Chipmixer and they never arrested him.
I am sure that Samourai developers were not arrested because of one tweet, they monitored and tracked them for very long time, that is why we saw such coordinated attack on them.
When someone is printing infinite money than they have infinite resources to track and arrest any people they want, but I am not worried about altcoinstalks forum.

[Findingnemo]

Chipmixer went down because they guy running it stole some IDs in order to buy servers, when that absolutely was not necessary in the age of bulletproof server hosts. Samourai made one bad tweet. So it really comes down to not doing anything stupid and things will be fine.

This is official story for Chipmixer but I seriously doubt that accused guy was the real owner of Chipmixer and they never arrested him.
I am sure that Samourai developers were not arrested because of one tweet, they monitored and tracked them for very long time, that is why we saw such coordinated attack on them.
When someone is printing infinite money than they have infinite resources to track and arrest any people they want, but I am not worried about altcoinstalks forum.

The reason government gives is just absurd, they don't want people to have decentralised monetary system so they are going after it one by one, I am sure they will come at the forum but that might not be on their priority for now cause crypto headed far away from crypto forum, it's now everywhere in the social media so they need to censor them because social media crap reaches people in no time.

[Z-tight]

The reason government gives is just absurd, they don't want people to have decentralised monetary system so they are going after it one by one, I am sure they will come at the forum but that might not be on their priority for now

The problem for the government is not decentralized money, i.e. they are not really after BTC in itself, which is the only truly decentralized money. What they are after is privacy solutions, they don't want people to use BTC privately, they want to be able to track your coins easily, but privacy tools make it difficult for them, and so their goal is to make it hard for them to operate.

[Etranger]

The problem for the government is not decentralized money, i.e. they are not really after BTC in itself, which is the only truly decentralized money. What they are after is privacy solutions, they don't want people to use BTC privately, they want to be able to track your coins easily, but privacy tools make it difficult for them, and so their goal is to make it hard for them to operate.

Privacy is really a matter for governments, however, there are ways to track and establish who owns the wallet. But they don't stop there. They want not only the identity of the owner, but also all transactions to be transparent, and they also want, in my opinion, to establish control over transactions and block them if they don’t like something.

[babo]

The reason government gives is just absurd, they don't want people to have decentralised monetary system so they are going after it one by one, I am sure they will come at the forum but that might not be on their priority for now cause crypto headed far away from crypto forum, it's now everywhere in the social media so they need to censor them because social media crap reaches people in no time.

obviously the reaction is absurd and exaggerated.. they want only them to be able to escape the clutches of the tax system they created

remember the Panama papers, now it seems all forgotten, but I do not forget.. we have discovered how they launder and how they evade the taxes they themselves created

now that we can make sure that no one seizes our money, they get angry.. obviously

looool

[Lucius]

theymos stated at some point that there were no investigative requests regarding any mixer. It is probably true, although even if there was a request from the authorities, there are many reasons for it to remain out of the public eye.

We also have an example where a certain Allen from the IRS demanded from the eXch exchange not to make statements publicly and to avoid communication via the forum.

A very good example that just shows how the system works - and that just means that there are a lot of things going on in the background that we "regular" users know nothing about, except when someone wants to be completely transparent. My opinion is that when it comes to BTT and mixers, there is much more to it than has been publicly communicated, but that is perhaps less important considering that the whole story would have ended the same anyway.

[dkbit98]

The problem for the government is not decentralized money, i.e. they are not really after BTC in itself, which is the only truly decentralized money. What they are after is privacy solutions, they don't want people to use BTC privately, they want to be able to track your coins easily, but privacy tools make it difficult for them, and so their goal is to make it hard for them to operate.

I agree, and they even prefer to have something like Bitcoin with everything being transparent on blockchain.
All they can do is to try and ban privacy tools like mixers, and say that only terrorists, hackers and criminals are using them, and that is not true.
If they are going to ban stuff that criminals use than they should ban everything (if they can), but let them start from corrupt politicians in government and their families.

[MrSpasybo]

I agree, and they even prefer to have something like Bitcoin with everything being transparent on blockchain.
All they can do is to try and ban privacy tools like mixers, and say that only terrorists, hackers and criminals are using them, and that is not true.
If they are going to ban stuff that criminals use than they should ban everything (if they can), but let them start from corrupt politicians in government and their families.

Well, we can sympathize with governments because fiat currency is still the best option they have to manage the economy. Crypto can be very good in fighting inflation but implementing crypto on a national scale can come with many risks and governments are not yet ready to experiment. I don't think the government wants to track everything, they're just looking for ways to attribute negative and dangerous characteristics to crypto, especially BTC, such as being widely used for money laundering purposes. Mixers are just one target they are aiming at, they don't want to make transaction data transparent, they just want people to have a negative attitude towards BTC.

From a positive perspective, I also hope that the government will find a way to manage the crypto market, thereby helping crypto to become more widely accepted, mature, and Mixers will be allowed to operate legally when they can support governments in preventing money laundering. That's just my expectation, I don't have any feasible solutions for this yet.