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I have never thought of this from this angle you came from. Are you saying that US is not supposed to seize bitcoin used for fraudulent activities? If they have the right and sure the bitcoin they seized were actually from fraud, there's no problem using it as a reserve. Do you prefer they sell the BTC off, or give it back to the fraudulent owners, or do you mean it should have never been seized at first.

Every case is for itself.
For example, you get Bitcoin for some of your legal work. Later, it was determined that several transactions earlier the same Bitcoin passed through the tainted wallet, and this caused the confiscation of your coins. So, is it made for you? And what can you do in that case, except forget about your earned money?

[bitmover]

Every case is for itself.
For example, you get Bitcoin for some of your legal work. Later, it was determined that several transactions earlier the same Bitcoin passed through the tainted wallet, and this caused the confiscation of your coins. So, is it made for you? And what can you do in that case, except forget about your earned money?

And this happened to SB mixer users and people who participated in  their signature campaign.

In the end, some users got funds frozen in  binance , and some users were able to send coins to other mixers or kyc free exchanges like exch.cx

This can happen to anyone.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I have never thought of this from this angle you came from. Are you saying that US is not supposed to seize bitcoin used for fraudulent activities? If they have the right and sure the bitcoin they seized were actually from fraud, there's no problem using it as a reserve. Do you prefer they sell the BTC off, or give it back to the fraudulent owners, or do you mean it should have never been seized at first.

Every case is for itself.
For example, you get Bitcoin for some of your legal work. Later, it was determined that several transactions earlier the same Bitcoin passed through the tainted wallet, and this caused the confiscation of your coins. So, is it made for you? And what can you do in that case, except forget about your earned money?

Well, definitely forgetting about the money is the surest thing to do since no one can go into a fight with the government, but not every one though, if what you said or assuming happens to a really powerful person in the country, I believe he will surely go into battle with the government to try to get his or her funds back, this is true specially if the person is super sure that the money or bitcoin in question was gotten genuinely from a verifiable legal business.

I don't know about funds gotten from promoting mixers since the last US government (not talking about the present one since we are yet to find out what their stance on mixers is) could turn the case in their favor by simply telling the court the fund was gotten from promoting an illegal business/service. 😁

[SamReomo]

Hi there mate, hope you're doing well haha its my interaction with you after a long time,

Hi there buddy, yes long time I haven't seen your posts but it's good to see you here again and congratulations on getting promoted to higher rank.

He wrote that theymos may consider to welcome these services again on the forum if he finds any relaxation from the US government. So, hope for the best to happen this soon!

Well, I agree with your point that Bitcointalk has more traffic than this forum but it has become hub for mixers after Bitcointalk's mixer ban and for now this forum is still a good and secure place for mixers and even if in future Theymos allows mixers to advertise on Bitcointalk, they'll still remain on this forum and overtime this forum will also get more and more traffic and there's chance that in coming months we may see higher pay rates on this forum as well.

Why would they pay for Bitcoin when they can simply seize it away from someone?

That's a point but still for that they'll have to change some of their rules and reduce those high level restrictions on privacy related services.

[Bobcrypto]

Hi there mate, hope you're doing well haha its my interaction with you after a long time,

Hi there buddy, yes long time I haven't seen your posts but it's good to see you here again and congratulations on getting promoted to higher rank.

He wrote that theymos may consider to welcome these services again on the forum if he finds any relaxation from the US government. So, hope for the best to happen this soon!

Well, I agree with your point that Bitcointalk has more traffic than this forum but it has become hub for mixers after Bitcointalk's mixer ban and for now this forum is still a good and secure place for mixers and even if in future Theymos allows mixers to advertise on Bitcointalk, they'll still remain on this forum and overtime this forum will also get more and more traffic and there's chance that in coming months we may see higher pay rates on this forum as well.

Why would they pay for Bitcoin when they can simply seize it away from someone?

That's a point but still for that they'll have to change some of their rules and reduce those high level restrictions on privacy related services.

I must emphasize that, "Rome was not built in one day", it was actually a gradual process for this forum until the present day. This forum is doing perfectly well, running mixers campaign for over a year is great, and the future is very bright. Hopefully, we will be seeing more signatures campaign on mixers, Casinos and others with bigger payments in near future.

[Amphenomenon]

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Well, definitely forgetting about the money is the surest thing to do since no one can go into a fight with the government, but not every one though, if what you said or assuming happens to a really powerful person in the country, I believe he will surely go into battle with the government to try to get his or her funds back, this is true specially if the person is super sure that the money or bitcoin in question was gotten genuinely from a verifiable legal business.

This shows the importance of power but although that doesn't disrupt the fact that when the masses come together they can question these policies of the government against genuinely gotten bitcoin that went through mixers if the victim possibly find a way of making it known to the public.

[Wiwo]

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Well, definitely forgetting about the money is the surest thing to do since no one can go into a fight with the government, but not every one though, if what you said or assuming happens to a really powerful person in the country, I believe he will surely go into battle with the government to try to get his or her funds back, this is true specially if the person is super sure that the money or bitcoin in question was gotten genuinely from a verifiable legal business.

This shows the importance of power but although that doesn't disrupt the fact that when the masses come together they can question these policies of the government against genuinely gotten bitcoin that went through mixers if the victim possibly find a way of making it known to the public.

The responsibility of protecting customers' funds is in the hands of the mixers themselves and not the customer trying to prove the source of the Bitcoin whenever a seize-on mixer happens, and most of the mixers that have been seized in the past are all bad actors and a source and destination for most global hacking and stealing of Bitcoin from a legit platform that deals on Bitcoin related service such an as exchange hacks and casinos hack which, like Sinban it was used to mix a major part of big hack coins.

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I don't know about funds gotten from promoting mixers since the last US government (not talking about the present one since we are yet to find out what their stance on mixers is) could turn the case in their favor by simply telling the court the fund was gotten from promoting an illegal business/service. 😁

Let's ignore the powerful for a moment, but let's look at us, ordinary people.
For example, you develop a web platform for my legal business. I pay you with Bitcoin, which previously went through the mixer and maybe at some point before it came into my possession, that Bitcoin was marked as tainted. It happens that your funds are blocked.
So, after 6 months of your legitimate work, I paid you everything regularly, but your bitcoins were seized because of some of their ancient history.
How reasonable is such treatment?

[dwyane36]

I don't know about funds gotten from promoting mixers since the last US government (not talking about the present one since we are yet to find out what their stance on mixers is) could turn the case in their favor by simply telling the court the fund was gotten from promoting an illegal business/service. 😁

I think the current U.S. administration will take a more measured approach to mixers and won't organize a "witch hunt" like the previous one did. As an example, just compare how the SEC operates now with how it did in previous years. I think it's already noticeable, in such a short period, that the SEC has changed its attitude toward the crypto industry positively.

[owlest]

Let's ignore the powerful for a moment, but let's look at us, ordinary people.
For example, you develop a web platform for my legal business. I pay you with Bitcoin, which previously went through the mixer and maybe at some point before it came into my possession, that Bitcoin was marked as tainted. It happens that your funds are blocked.
So, after 6 months of your legitimate work, I paid you everything regularly, but your bitcoins were seized because of some of their ancient history.
How reasonable is such treatment?

Of course, it's wrong. It’s like your employer paying your salary, only for the bank to block it, claiming the money was tied to illicit activities. If that’s the case, then we’d need a system to track all bitcoins and filter out those involved in shady dealings. But an honest person who receives them isn't at fault. If this happens, there should be some form of compensation. But since cryptocurrency is decentralized, who would provide it? Without regulation, it’s a complex issue—but does crypto even need regulation?

[Etranger]

Of course, it's wrong. It’s like your employer paying your salary, only for the bank to block it, claiming the money was tied to illicit activities. If that’s the case, then we’d need a system to track all bitcoins and filter out those involved in shady dealings. But an honest person who receives them isn't at fault. If this happens, there should be some form of compensation. But since cryptocurrency is decentralized, who would provide it? Without regulation, it’s a complex issue—but does crypto even need regulation?

I believe that blocking bitcoins and tracking them completely is a fundamentally wrong measure, which also does not help solve the problem it claims to be about. Namely, such measures do not combat illegal activity. It is the people who commit such activity that need to be tracked and restricted, not the money in any form. Otherwise, such stories often end with the accounts being frozen, and the real criminal remaining at large. And yes, it becomes a little more difficult for him, but he can open another account and continue doing what he was doing.

[bitmover]

I don't know about funds gotten from promoting mixers since the last US government (not talking about the present one since we are yet to find out what their stance on mixers is) could turn the case in their favor by simply telling the court the fund was gotten from promoting an illegal business/service. 😁

Let's ignore the powerful for a moment, but let's look at us, ordinary people.
For example, you develop a web platform for my legal business. I pay you with Bitcoin, which previously went through the mixer and maybe at some point before it came into my possession, that Bitcoin was marked as tainted. It happens that your funds are blocked.
So, after 6 months of your legitimate work, I paid you everything regularly, but your bitcoins were seized because of some of their ancient history.
How reasonable is such treatment?

When two individuals are transacting bitcoin in exchange for a service, there isn't such risk.

The risk comes when some of the parties decide to send the coins to a centralized exchange, and then the CEX decide to block the funds. Then, one of the parties gets fucked up.

I don't think this is common, and certainly this is a problem for bitcoin community in general, because this is will be a problem for adoption.

So far, I have never had problems with coins that I received from mixers or casinos, with the exception of SB coins (which I was able to trade them for other ones using mixers and kyc-free exchanges)

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[KingsDen]

I have never thought of this from this angle you came from. Are you saying that US is not supposed to seize bitcoin used for fraudulent activities? If they have the right and sure the bitcoin they seized were actually from fraud, there's no problem using it as a reserve. Do you prefer they sell the BTC off, or give it back to the fraudulent owners, or do you mean it should have never been seized at first.

Every case is for itself.
For example, you get Bitcoin for some of your legal work. Later, it was determined that several transactions earlier the same Bitcoin passed through the tainted wallet, and this caused the confiscation of your coins. So, is it made for you? And what can you do in that case, except forget about your earned money?

Now I understand and it's unfortunate there's nothing much that would be done in such a situation than give up.

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[icopress]

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