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[PX-Z]

If the Trump administration does not put any other restrictions, just like the Joe Biden administration, then I am hoping to see the Mixers campaign back on the BitcoinTalk forum.

It won't change since this matter falls to AML, and Lazarus are there to exploit and abuse these mixers for their benefits to avoid getting tracked.
For theymos being wary its the best thing he can do.

If theymos really wants to brings back mixer to bitcointalk for some reason of benefits, moving out from US based hosting site such as namecheap is the best thing to avoid sanctions (i assume) from US gov.

[Hamza2424]

If theymos really wants to brings back mixer to bitcointalk for some reason of benefits, moving out from US based hosting site such as namecheap is the best thing to avoid sanctions (i assume) from US gov.

I'm not sure he's gonna make this bold decision of moving the hosting. For mixers, I think people (specific groups) do exploit the use case we cant do anything about it, changing the mixer's user model might work but it's non-practical as well no logs policy is the only reason people use mixers.

[Wiwo]

If the Trump administration does not put any other restrictions, just like the Joe Biden administration, then I am hoping to see the Mixers campaign back on the BitcoinTalk forum.

It won't change since this matter falls to AML, and Lazarus are there to exploit and abuse these mixers for their benefits to avoid getting tracked.
For theymos being wary its the best thing he can do.

If theymos really wants to brings back mixer to bitcointalk for some reason of benefits, moving out from US based hosting site such as namecheap is the best thing to avoid sanctions (i assume) from US gov.

The fact is that Thymos won't be going through such stress just to bring mixers promotions back to the Bitcointalk forum, and this is where altcointalks now comes in to play the important role at which it was created which is to provide an alternative to bitcointalk just as altcoins provide scalability alternative to bitcoin.

So it is a win-win for all of us and the way forward is to keep the traffic over here very high in other to attract more good mixers that comply with the operating guidelines and not accommodating bad actors.

[TryNinja]

If the Trump administration does not put any other restrictions, just like the Joe Biden administration, then I am hoping to see the Mixers campaign back on the BitcoinTalk forum. Other than that, it takes some time to get an increment in pay rates, as there will be more active profiles, so surely the pay rates will also be more here. Everyone is also hoping to see more campaigns here, as currently the number of users who are selected in the campaigns here are minor.

I doubt simply not putting new restrictions would be enough for that.

From theymos himself:

For the mixer policy to be reversed, the legal environment would have to improve a lot. I think that one of these would have to happen:
 - Some mixers win their court cases.
 - Congress passes laws which explicitly protect mixers.
 - The administration ends up being extremely pro-privacy, better than 99% of politicians in office.

It'll take at least a year before we have a good idea of what the new administration will really be like, but my expectation is that they will only be ~10% better than the Biden administration in this area. I would be surprised if they dropped the case against the Tornado Cash devs, for example.

The Trump administration could be a lot better than I expect, but they could also be a lot worse. I think for example that the Trump administration might be even more aggressive on sanctions (especially against Iran), and they might therefore see financial privacy as a threat to their sanction power. There are also several reasons why the Trump administration may want to restrict cross-border payments generally: to allow for financial repression in response to a debt crisis, to improve the US's hugely-negative net international investment position (which is often a major issue in the minds of Trump-aligned economists), to tariff services in addition to goods, or to control the value of the dollar. Severe restrictions on cross-border payments could also put them in opposition to financial privacy.

The Biden administration clearly wanted to move as close to banning crypto as they could get away with, so it's definitely good that they're gone, but it's not as if Satoshi has just been elected president. The Trump administration has some interest in pleasing their crypto donors, but that can be achieved mainly just by getting prices to go up. They don't much care, and don't have to care, about privacy, disintermediation, decentralization, etc.

Some mixers win their court cases = doubt, but could maybe happen, specially now that Tornado cash sanctions have been lifted.
Law to explicitly protect mixers = never going to happen.
Pro-privacy administration = huhh, maybe? But not as much as theymos wants.

But like I said, seems like they really are dropping the case against Tornado Cash devs, which theymos doubt it would happen.

[Asiska02]

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Well, if you compare the traffic from BTT and this forum, there's a huge difference. this forum is currently new and the community of BTT has already existed since 2010, or, I think, 2011, before Satoshi gave this forum to Theymos.
So we shouldn't compare them since this forum still new, and looking at the stats of this forum's growth, we might see this forum will be the same as what BTT achieved before.

I think on the next cycle we can maybe see huge traffic on this forum, and that time maybe these campaigns might have a slight increase in payouts.

The next cycle is quite a long time from now but if the the forum continues to receive consistent traffic as it has now, it will become more popular and have increased traffic by that time. I guess an increase in pay over the years will show that the companies here are receiving well the patronage they deserve from the forum after advertising their brands here. They can’t be compared as you said, from 2010 till now is 15 years and I doubt if this forum is barely a decades since its creation or populous. BTT also started gradually like this before it became what it is today, so I hope with time this forum also develop to be like BTT.

[NotATether]

Some mixers win their court cases = doubt, but could maybe happen, specially now that Tornado cash sanctions have been lifted.
Law to explicitly protect mixers = never going to happen.
Pro-privacy administration = huhh, maybe? But not as much as theymos wants.

But like I said, seems like they really are dropping the case against Tornado Cash devs, which theymos doubt it would happen.

No wonder why people think the Biden administration were a bunch of crooks.

Ahem. Anyway....

I hope this means a comprehensive regulatory framework can be formed for mixers and other non-custodial exchanging services to tell them exactly what they can do (within reasonable limits) and can't.

Then that means we won't see any of this BS vilification of mixers ever again.

[SamReomo]

The fact is that Thymos won't be going through such stress just to bring mixers promotions back to the Bitcointalk forum, and this is where altcointalks now comes in to play the important role at which it was created which is to provide an alternative to bitcointalk just as altcoins provide scalability alternative to bitcoin.

Well, I agree with you and even if Theymos does change his mind and allow mixers back to Bitcointalk but still this forum is going to be safe forum for the mixers in long term. The mixers that know such fact are in this forum and they're spending money to get more exposure in the form of signature campaigns. There're some mixers that actually don't understand the importance of this forum but I believe in future those mixers will also do some type of advertising on this forum.

[Nheer]

The fact is that Thymos won't be going through such stress just to bring mixers promotions back to the Bitcointalk forum, and this is where altcointalks now comes in to play the important role at which it was created which is to provide an alternative to bitcointalk just as altcoins provide scalability alternative to bitcoin.

Well, I agree with you and even if Theymos does change his mind and allow mixers back to Bitcointalk but still this forum is going to be safe forum for the mixers in long term. The mixers that know such fact are in this forum and they're spending money to get more exposure in the form of signature campaigns. There're some mixers that actually don't understand the importance of this forum but I believe in future those mixers will also do some type of advertising on this forum.

This forum is really improving a lot of campaign smoothly and very positively, with time this forum have game much more fame and at least people are coming to know more about the forum has a very positive and exciting place to be. Mixer has been pushing very impressively and there are really a reliable and secure source I guess bringing them back to bitcointalk will really gives them more advantage and additional hopes cause that forum is really much more expand and has a lot of users than here, but with time here will also move to moon. I guess mixer should put this into consideration and get back to the bitcointalk.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

The fact is that Thymos won't be going through such stress just to bring mixers promotions back to the Bitcointalk forum, and this is where altcointalks now comes in to play the important role at which it was created which is to provide an alternative to bitcointalk just as altcoins provide scalability alternative to bitcoin.

Well, I agree with you and even if Theymos does change his mind and allow mixers back to Bitcointalk but still this forum is going to be safe forum for the mixers in long term. The mixers that know such fact are in this forum and they're spending money to get more exposure in the form of signature campaigns. There're some mixers that actually don't understand the importance of this forum but I believe in future those mixers will also do some type of advertising on this forum.

Yeah, this forum will continue to grow both in users, traffic and popularity, I trust that the admin of this forum have some grear plans up his sleeves and soon enough, we might be seeing some really groundbreaking features targetted at bringing or attracting even more users here, thereby attracting  huge traffic to this forum, which in turn will give birth to so many companies including mixers becoming very interested in advertising their services and products here, it's great we all are here today and the great privilege that admin has done most of us by allowing us import our btt ranks here, opportunity like this won't remain forever I believe.

As the forum grows, so will mixers and other services advertising here grow in users as well, lets us keep supporting this services as well as the forum generally.

[Wiwo]

The fact is that Thymos won't be going through such stress just to bring mixers promotions back to the Bitcointalk forum, and this is where altcointalks now comes in to play the important role at which it was created which is to provide an alternative to bitcointalk just as altcoins provide scalability alternative to bitcoin.

Well, I agree with you and even if Theymos does change his mind and allow mixers back to Bitcointalk but still this forum is going to be safe forum for the mixers in long term. The mixers that know such fact are in this forum and they're spending money to get more exposure in the form of signature campaigns. There're some mixers that actually don't understand the importance of this forum but I believe in future those mixers will also do some type of advertising on this forum.

Yeah, this forum will continue to grow both in users, traffic and popularity, I trust that the admin of this forum have some grear plans up his sleeves and soon enough, we might be seeing some really groundbreaking features targetted at bringing or attracting even more users here, thereby attracting  huge traffic to this forum, which in turn will give birth to so many companies including mixers becoming very interested in advertising their services and products here, it's great we all are here today and the great privilege that admin has done most of us by allowing us import our btt ranks here, opportunity like this won't remain forever I believe.

As the forum grows, so will mixers and other services advertising here grow in users as well, lets us keep supporting this services as well as the forum generally.

Well yeah, I am sure that the forum will continue to develop and grow along the way and sure traffic is going to increase but what I may not agree with you on @Fivestar4everMVP is your too much emphasis on the admin and whatever plans he has for the forum, the growth of the forum will have to come from the internal activities of members present here.

The admin may have little to do with that other than just making sure that the forum has great features that keep visitors attracted but in terms of how quality information is posted here that helps visitors that is the work of the entire community members.

[Ambatman]

The admin may have little to do with that other than just making sure that the forum has great features that keep visitors attracted but in terms of how quality information is posted here that helps visitors that is the work of the entire community members.

Well like you said growing thr forum isn't a one man thing and it has an advantage already in housing some of the best mixers and serve as a form of base for the support team. As Bitcoin gets popular and people realise the advantage and security of privacy mixers thus the forum Would get more popular.

[bitmover]

I did participated in the early signature campaign of Wasabi wallet, but I didn't follow up on them afterwards to know when they were forced to seize operation, but I do know when they had reputation issues on Btt due to them censoring a part of their service, something alot of us assumed was completely against the decentralization they preached.

Anyways, alot of mixers and services related to mixers have indeed come and gone, but then, hope and believe that mixers of today will stay around far longer than their predecessors.

I didn't follow closely but I know they did relabel to ginger wallet after some problems with authorities and regulations. You can see at their github sometimes the old wasabi waller name

[Numeral]

No wonder why people think the Biden administration were a bunch of crooks.

Ahem. Anyway....

I hope this means a comprehensive regulatory framework can be formed for mixers and other non-custodial exchanging services to tell them exactly what they can do (within reasonable limits) and can't.

Then that means we won't see any of this BS vilification of mixers ever again.

The development of legislative norms takes time, when the work on priority tasks will be completed, we can really hope for the formation of a regulatory framework for bitcoin mixers and similar services. In any case, mixers cannot stay in limbo regarding legality indefinitely. 

[KingsDen]

So what we are seeing now is a kind of restart and if consistency ensures, signature campaign price will up but this depends largely on the campaign managers

I'm afraid that campaign managers can't do much to increase prices. Advertisers decide how much they want to pay. It's internet marketing 101

I agree. Project owners want results. They started paying about 50 usd per week. Over time, they probably saw  the results of the campaign was not as good as bitcointalk, so they reduced budget...

It is still amazing to have campaigns here, and I believe we are proving a very good community support.

Community support is important to help users clear their question about the project, help them with problems, and even suggestions to improve the service.

Honestly, we are providing a good community support. Maybe in 5 years later, our efforts would have yielded better result and the sacrifices of today would be used as a reference.
As NotATether noted, project owners will offer what they want to pay, but this payment is fairly distributed by the campaign managers. We know that no manager will over pay for lesser conversions. However, as we grow things will improve and everyone will understand that we have grown. Atleast tools used for traffic tracking will also indicate.

[Lucius]

If the Trump administration does not put any other restrictions, just like the Joe Biden administration, then I am hoping to see the Mixers campaign back on the BitcoinTalk forum.

It won't change since this matter falls to AML, and Lazarus are there to exploit and abuse these mixers for their benefits to avoid getting tracked.
For theymos being wary its the best thing he can do.

If theymos really wants to brings back mixer to bitcointalk for some reason of benefits, moving out from US based hosting site such as namecheap is the best thing to avoid sanctions (i assume) from US gov.

Mixers can go back to BTT in case the forum moves out of US jurisdiction, although that would mean the current admin has to step down or move with the forum. I don't think that's a realistic option at the moment, although stranger things have happened.

What can bring mixers back to BTT is that they start cooperating with the authorities in some way, at least in terms of hacked assets and preventing hacker groups from using them. But if something like that were to happen, then anyone sending coins to mixers would be at risk of having their funds frozen, so I think mixers will stay where they are for now.