The UFC Discussion and Prediction Topic

[pawel7777]

Moicano was the one complaining UFC been suppressing his rank down despite him winning lots of fights before Saint Denise. where does it put him if he loses against Paddy who is in the 15th position in the rank while Moicano is in the 11th?

He would still be in the top 15 but his wallet would be much thicker 
Participating in heavily hyped-up fight and getting more fame could be worth dropping few places in the ranks. It's not like he has a shot for the belt from where he is right now.

Here are the current odds for each fight of the UFC 307 (as per Duelbits):

Alex Pereira x1.20 Vs Khalil Rountree x4.50
Raquel Pennington x1.60 Vs Juliana Peña x2.33
Jose Aldo x2.16 Vs Mario Bautista x1.69
Ketlen Vieira x7.50 Vs Kayla Harrison x1.08
Roman Dolidze x2.22 Vs Kevin Holland x1.66
Stephen Thompson x2.75 Vs Joaquin Buckley x1.45
Marina Rodriguez x2.54 Vs Jasmin Lucindo x1.52
Austin Hubbard x2.33 Vs Alexander Hernandez x1.61
Cesar Almeida x1.26 Vs Igor Potieria x3.80
Ryan Spann x1.37 Vs Ovince Saint Preux x3.10
Carla Esparza x2.42 Vs Tecia Torres x1.57
Court McGee x2.62 Vs Tim Means x1.50

I think the odds for Rountree look pretty good, but maybe I'm overestimating his striking skills. I haven't seen that many of his fights and know him mostly from fight highlights, which can give a distorted picture.

[Zed0X]

Moicano was the one complaining UFC been suppressing his rank down despite him winning lots of fights before Saint Denise. where does it put him if he loses against Paddy who is in the 15th position in the rank while Moicano is in the 11th?

He would still be in the top 15 but his wallet would be much thicker 
Participating in heavily hyped-up fight and getting more fame could be worth dropping few places in the ranks. It's not like he has a shot for the belt from where he is right now.

Yeah, if he thinks it's easy money, then forget about the rankings for now. The video acceptance was already months old and I guess it's the right time for UFC to act. Dana might actually favor this too because he's been trying to build up Paddy as well.

[electronicash]

Moicano was the one complaining UFC been suppressing his rank down despite him winning lots of fights before Saint Denise. where does it put him if he loses against Paddy who is in the 15th position in the rank while Moicano is in the 11th?

He would still be in the top 15 but his wallet would be much thicker 
Participating in heavily hyped-up fight and getting more fame could be worth dropping few places in the ranks. It's not like he has a shot for the belt from where he is right now.

Here are the current odds for each fight of the UFC 307 (as per Duelbits):

Alex Pereira x1.20 Vs Khalil Rountree x4.50
Raquel Pennington x1.60 Vs Juliana Peña x2.33
Jose Aldo x2.16 Vs Mario Bautista x1.69
Ketlen Vieira x7.50 Vs Kayla Harrison x1.08
Roman Dolidze x2.22 Vs Kevin Holland x1.66
Stephen Thompson x2.75 Vs Joaquin Buckley x1.45
Marina Rodriguez x2.54 Vs Jasmin Lucindo x1.52
Austin Hubbard x2.33 Vs Alexander Hernandez x1.61
Cesar Almeida x1.26 Vs Igor Potieria x3.80
Ryan Spann x1.37 Vs Ovince Saint Preux x3.10
Carla Esparza x2.42 Vs Tecia Torres x1.57
Court McGee x2.62 Vs Tim Means x1.50

I think the odds for Rountree look pretty good, but maybe I'm overestimating his striking skills. I haven't seen that many of his fights and know him mostly from fight highlights, which can give a distorted picture.

hes the underdog. if he won you sure can get a big payday for it. Rountree has a long winning streak, its possible still despite the size and the odds. if izzy did it, he could do something like that as well. but its somewhat david and goliath fight. i couldn't see him winning in a striker vs striker.

the odds alone can be demoralizing for Rountree lol
Pereira, Alex By KO 1.31
Pereira, Alex R1 KO 2.90 seem worth it.

[pawel7777]

Yeah, if he thinks it's easy money, then forget about the rankings for now. The video acceptance was already months old and I guess it's the right time for UFC to act. Dana might actually favor this too because he's been trying to build up Paddy as well.

The more I think about that, the better I like the idea of Paddy Vs Renato. However, if the UFC wanted to further build Paddy up, there are better options for him with easier opponents who are ranked higher than Renato, e.g. Beneil Dariush.

hes the underdog. if he won you sure can get a big payday for it. Rountree has a long winning streak, its possible still despite the size and the odds. if izzy did it, he could do something like that as well. but its somewhat david and goliath fight. i couldn't see him winning in a striker vs striker.

The size difference could play a big role here. I've just seen the face-off. Pereira looked MUCH bigger than Rountree. For a purely striking match, that's a big advantage.

[electronicash]

no one explained why they match Rountree against Pereira when he is really much of an underdog but also ranks behind the top fighters who he haven't fought. but one reason they see is that Pereira could be defeated if a top fighter will try taking him down.

Pereira got the obvious Dana privilege where he isn't matched to a wrestler yet of if he is, there is a clause there will be no taking down. of course this is just rumors they are saying, it could be true or not. but if Roundtree tries to take Pereira down this time, i'm sure Pereira will have  hard time.

[pawel7777]

no one explained why they match Rountree against Pereira when he is really much of an underdog but also ranks behind the top fighters who he haven't fought. but one reason they see is that Pereira could be defeated if a top fighter will try taking him down.

Pereira got the obvious Dana privilege where he isn't matched to a wrestler yet of if he is, there is a clause there will be no taking down. of course this is just rumors they are saying, it could be true or not. but if Roundtree tries to take Pereira down this time, i'm sure Pereira will have  hard time.

A possible argument for that fight is that Rountree is on 5-long winning streak, 4 of which were by TKO, and he's ranked in the top 10 (currently 8th) so it's not that unusual, we've seen similar things happening previously.
But we all know that Pereira should be fighting Ankalaev instead, but there's a big risk that Ankalaev could derail Pereira's hype train, so the UFC is delaying that fight.
I don't recall Ankalaev publicly complaining about it too much, so it's possible he got a good money to fight Rakic and was promised the fight for the title next.

[Zed0X]

Rountree gassing up in round three? He won the first two rounds on all judges scorecards but I guess he could not sustain it. He was just swinging for the fences in round four. Credit also to Pereira's toughness because he ate some really big shots. I don't know how he's still able to remain standing after the head kick.

[electronicash]

^ i think it was in the last minute of R2 where Rountree threw the head kick. turns out to be aggressive even when he was just waiting for Alex to throw but he always counter making Alex backaway.

no one explained why they match Rountree against Pereira when he is really much of an underdog but also ranks behind the top fighters who he haven't fought. but one reason they see is that Pereira could be defeated if a top fighter will try taking him down.

Pereira got the obvious Dana privilege where he isn't matched to a wrestler yet of if he is, there is a clause there will be no taking down. of course this is just rumors they are saying, it could be true or not. but if Roundtree tries to take Pereira down this time, i'm sure Pereira will have  hard time.

A possible argument for that fight is that Rountree is on 5-long winning streak, 4 of which were by TKO, and he's ranked in the top 10 (currently 8th) so it's not that unusual, we've seen similar things happening previously.
But we all know that Pereira should be fighting Ankalaev instead, but there's a big risk that Ankalaev could derail Pereira's hype train, so the UFC is delaying that fight.
I don't recall Ankalaev publicly complaining about it too much, so it's possible he got a good money to fight Rakic and was promised the fight for the title next.

maybe. Anka use to troll Alex and UFC to book him against Alex. he even promised not to take down just so they can agree for their fight. instead Dana Anka booked against Rakic.  if he is paid well and he isn't complaining i guess that's just how could see it.

[pawel7777]

Rountree gassing up in round three? He won the first two rounds on all judges scorecards but I guess he could not sustain it. He was just swinging for the fences in round four. Credit also to Pereira's toughness because he ate some really big shots. I don't know how he's still able to remain standing after the head kick.

Yup, Rountree did pretty well in the first 3 rounds, he was countering every Pereira's attack and landed a few good shots, but still not powerful enough to put Alex down.
Thanks to patience and tactical discipline, Alex waited Khalil out and absolutely destroyed him in round 4. It was painful to watch. But still, Rountree survived much longer than Pereira's other opponents, I wonder how he would perform against say Prochazka or Jamahal Hill.

[LogitechMouse]

Rountree gassing up in round three? He won the first two rounds on all judges scorecards but I guess he could not sustain it. He was just swinging for the fences in round four. Credit also to Pereira's toughness because he ate some really big shots. I don't know how he's still able to remain standing after the head kick.

A huge respect for Rountree for lasting 4 rounds against that big of a guy.
I mean I really expect that this would be a one-sided fight, but it wasn't. Pereira's punches is getting Rountree especially in Round 3 where he started to gassed out, and got finally demolished in the 4th. Pereira is patient enough to have the perfect opportunity to destroy him, and knowing how powerful his punches were, he knows that he's getting him.

He did it in a slowly but surely manner but nevertheless, he got the job done. Pereira might've won the game which is for me expected, but Rountree got my respect and with this, I want to have a rematch between the two of them, but it seems like he needs to climb his way up again. Good game for both fighters.

[pawel7777]

Odds for all fights of tonight's event (from DuelBits):

Clayton Carpenter x1.44 Vs Lucas Rocha x2.80
Daniel Argueta x2.42 Vs Cody Haddon x1.57
Junior Tafa x1.30 Vs Sean Sharaf x3.60
Julia Polastri x1.77 Vs Cory Mckenna x2.05
Themba Gorimbo x1.27 Vs Niko Price x3.75
Jonathan Pearce x1.53 Vs Pat Sabatini x2.50
Carlos Vergara x3.60 Vs Ramazan Temirov x1.30
Daniel Rodriguez x1.46 Vs Alex Morono x2.75
Grant Dawson x1.25 Vs Rafa Garcia x4.00
Chidi Njokuani x1.58 Vs Jared Gooden x2.37
Brad Tavares x2.60 Vs Jung Yong Park x1.50
Brandon Royval x3.33 Vs Tatsuro Taira x1.33

Not going to lie, I don't have a clue who most of those guys are.
Odds for Royval looked kind of attractive, Taira is very young (only 24) and is 16-0 with most wins by submission, but he hasn't fought that many guys from the top yet, and Royval won't be easy to submit. In fact, Royval has a similar submission rate and overall, has more submission wins than Taira (9 Vs 7).

[electronicash]

Odds for all fights of tonight's event (from DuelBits):

Clayton Carpenter x1.44 Vs Lucas Rocha x2.80
Daniel Argueta x2.42 Vs Cody Haddon x1.57
Junior Tafa x1.30 Vs Sean Sharaf x3.60
Julia Polastri x1.77 Vs Cory Mckenna x2.05
Themba Gorimbo x1.27 Vs Niko Price x3.75
Jonathan Pearce x1.53 Vs Pat Sabatini x2.50
Carlos Vergara x3.60 Vs Ramazan Temirov x1.30
Daniel Rodriguez x1.46 Vs Alex Morono x2.75
Grant Dawson x1.25 Vs Rafa Garcia x4.00
Chidi Njokuani x1.58 Vs Jared Gooden x2.37
Brad Tavares x2.60 Vs Jung Yong Park x1.50
Brandon Royval x3.33 Vs Tatsuro Taira x1.33

Not going to lie, I don't have a clue who most of those guys are.
Odds for Royval looked kind of attractive, Taira is very young (only 24) and is 16-0 with most wins by submission, but he hasn't fought that many guys from the top yet, and Royval won't be easy to submit. In fact, Royval has a similar submission rate and overall, has more submission wins than Taira (9 Vs 7).

Royval is sure the more experienced fighter. and Tatsuro looks like a kid who just missed his bus.  Tatsuro however is very aggressive in his approach just like how he did it with Perez so if Royval expects Tatsuro to back way every time he attempts, its going to backfire since when he sees a counter attack instead.

with just 6 fights in UFC. Tatsuro i could say is tougher than they think.

[pawel7777]

Full set of result from last night:

Main card:
Flyweight: Brandon Royval def. Tatsuro Taira, Decision (split), Round 5, Time 5:00
Middleweight: Park Jun-yong def. Brad Tavares, Decision (split), Round 3, Time 5:00
Catchweight (172.5 lb): Chidi Njokuani def. Jared Gooden, Decision (unanimous), Round 3, Time 5:00
Lightweight: Grant Dawson def. Rafa García, TKO (elbows and punches), Round 2, Time 1:42
Welterweight: Daniel Rodriguez def. Alex Morono, Decision (split), Round 3, Time 5:00

Preliminary card:
Flyweight: Ramazan Temirov def. C.J. Vergara, TKO (punches), Round 1, Time 2:50
Featherweight: Pat Sabatini def. Jonathan Pearce, Submission (rear-naked choke), Round 1, Time 4:06
Welterweight: Themba Gorimbo def. Niko Price, Decision (unanimous), Round 3, Time 5:00
Heavyweight: Junior Tafa def. Sean Sharaf, TKO (punches), Round 2, Time 2:15
Women's Strawweight: Julia Polastri def. Cory McKenna, Decision (split), Round 3, Time 5:00
Catchweight (138.5 lb): Cody Haddon def. Daniel Argueta, Decision (unanimous), Round 3, Time 5:00
Flyweight: Clayton Carpenter def. Lucas Rocha, Technical Submission (rear-naked choke), Round 2, Time 2:12

The main event was a decent fight, both of them had their moments but the judges decided in Royval's favour with a split decision. That's a first loss in Taira's record, but it shouldn't impact his position in the ranking.

[electronicash]

The main event was a decent fight, both of them had their moments but the judges decided in Royval's favour with a split decision. That's a first loss in Taira's record, but it shouldn't impact his position in the ranking.

not sure how they scored the fight. takedowns use to be a big score since the fighter has the control over the opponent and Taira did it all i think up to 4th rounds. it could have been a decision in favor of Taira but they gave it to Royval.

i have seen grapplers do it easily when on the back of another fighter just trying rare naked choke and do another when its not possible. Taira isn't doing it either which it felt like its a fix match or Royval is really that hard to submit despite easily being taken down.

[Zed0X]

The main event was a decent fight, both of them had their moments but the judges decided in Royval's favour with a split decision. That's a first loss in Taira's record, but it shouldn't impact his position in the ranking.

not sure how they scored the fight. takedowns use to be a big score since the fighter has the control over the opponent and Taira did it all i think up to 4th rounds. it could have been a decision in favor of Taira but they gave it to Royval.

i have seen grapplers do it easily when on the back of another fighter just trying rare naked choke and do another when its not possible. Taira isn't doing it either which it felt like its a fix match or Royval is really that hard to submit despite easily being taken down.

I think the days of pinning someone down but doing too little to damage or attempt to submit are long gone. Those were pretty much an effective method in the earlier days but it became boring to watch. Anyway, this is why fighters are told not to put the result in the judges' hands because it's still unpredictable.