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[ABCbits]

Regarding the Thor mixer, did I miss something, but was there an option for dark mode on the site before?

Oldest valid archive of Thor Mixer on https://web.archive.org/web/20240530064746/https://www.thormixer.io/ doesn't show dark mode feature.

[swapgate.io]

Good service you have here, guys! We especially value the anonymity of your service. You make a valid point about the importance of privacy, especially during challenging times when even small platforms monitor transactions. Protecting individual privacy is a fundamental right that shouldn't be compromised!

[MrSpasybo]

To shorten the discussion about Telegram here. It would be a real shame if the privacy that this service has offered until now is denied, many businesses are quite dependent on Tg, and there will certainly be some changes.

Yeah, the arrest of Durov by the French government has also caused many users of the ThorMixer Telegram bot to worry. If governments can access users personal data on Telegram, including phone numbers and chat history, then anonymity seems no longer guaranteed. I support the values of anti-censorship and anonymity that Telegram provides to users and also to Mixer bots.

Is there a chat app similar to Telegram but operating onchain, completely decentralized, and not threatened by accusations or attacks from governments? Or could Telegram become such a dApp? That would be a reinforcement of the safety of users and Telegram Mixer bots.

[Lucius]

Yeah, the arrest of Durov by the French government has also caused many users of the ThorMixer Telegram bot to worry. If governments can access users personal data on Telegram, including phone numbers and chat history, then anonymity seems no longer guaranteed. I support the values of anti-censorship and anonymity that Telegram provides to users and also to Mixer bots.

Telegram has never been secure in the sense that you could be 100% sure that your data and everything you do there is completely private - I recently saw on BTT that someone is selling an allegedly large Telegram database that includes user numbers.

Is there a chat app similar to Telegram but operating onchain, completely decentralized, and not threatened by accusations or attacks from governments? Or could Telegram become such a dApp? That would be a reinforcement of the safety of users and Telegram Mixer bots.

The only app that I often saw mentioned when looking for an alternative to Telegram was Signal. According to what can be read, that application is much better designed in terms of privacy and security and uses end-to-end encryption for absolutely everything (which is not the case with Telegram) and does not synchronize between devices.

I don't know if they have a central name, but they advertise themselves as an independent nonprofit organization.

[MrSpasybo]

Telegram has never been secure in the sense that you could be 100% sure that your data and everything you do there is completely private - I recently saw on BTT that someone is selling an allegedly large Telegram database that includes user numbers.

Well, if Telegram doesn't really guarantee the security of user data, should we be worried about using Mixer Telegram bot? Perhaps choosing to use the Mixer website on a browser is safer and more reliable because it doesn't depend on another platform.

The arrest of Telegram CEO once again confirms the value of BTC decentralization and Satoshi decision to remain anonymous. This could drive the demand for using ThorMixer among Bitcoin investors to protect themselves from market risks.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Good service you have here, guys! We especially value the anonymity of your service. You make a valid point about the importance of privacy, especially during challenging times when even small platforms monitor transactions. Protecting individual privacy is a fundamental right that shouldn't be compromised!

Not just about protecting, but privacy in itself is a fundamental human right, but unfortunately, we live in a world  where the government wants to gain control over every single person, they want to monitor to know when you get off bed, when you make love to your wife, when you eat, by what time you left home in the morning and the places you went to all through the day, whom you sent money, how much and what the money was or is meant for, they want to virtually know every single thing about every single person in earth; even how big or small your d**k is 😂.

But thank goodness many are ready to fight back, thank goodness for Satoshi nakamoto who seem to have started the idea of decentralization through the invention of bitcoin and blockchain, and thanks to who ever invented the very first bitcoin/cryptocurrency mixer.

[Lucius]

Well, if Telegram doesn't really guarantee the security of user data, should we be worried about using Mixer Telegram bot? Perhaps choosing to use the Mixer website on a browser is safer and more reliable because it doesn't depend on another platform.
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I would never think of anything else, it is the only correct way, and for those who are looking for greater privacy, it is recommended to use VPN or Tor. People are always looking for a way to do something in a simpler way, but simpler is usually not safer.

No one can 100% guarantee the security of data today, whether it is the fact that such data is available to hackers online, or even that it is stored somewhere offline, it is always subject to the fact that someone can access it and use it for purposes for which it was not intended.

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Is there a chat app similar to Telegram but operating onchain, completely decentralized, and not threatened by accusations or attacks from governments? Or could Telegram become such a dApp? That would be a reinforcement of the safety of users and Telegram Mixer bots.

The only app that I often saw mentioned when looking for an alternative to Telegram was Signal. According to what can be read, that application is much better designed in terms of privacy and security and uses end-to-end encryption for absolutely everything (which is not the case with Telegram) and does not synchronize between devices.

Certainly, an option worth mentioning is the Simplex chat https://simplex.chat/
I'm not sure how adaptable it is to have bots and similar things there, but Simplex certainly offers a higher level of privacy than Telegram.

[MrSpasybo]

Not just about protecting, but privacy in itself is a fundamental human right, but unfortunately, we live in a world  where the government wants to gain control over every single person, they want to monitor to know when you get off bed, when you make love to your wife, when you eat, by what time you left home in the morning and the places you went to all through the day, whom you sent money, how much and what the money was or is meant for, they want to virtually know every single thing about every single person in earth; even how big or small your d**k is 😂.

But thank goodness many are ready to fight back, thank goodness for Satoshi nakamoto who seem to have started the idea of decentralization through the invention of bitcoin and blockchain, and thanks to who ever invented the very first bitcoin/cryptocurrency mixer.

Satoshi was very wise to choose transparency over anonymity for BTC, which has allowed BTC to avoid the problems with governments and CEXs that privacy coins face. And Mixers are the necessary piece to add that anonymity feature, meeting the needs of users who don't want to be tracked through onchain data.

Governments may want to control everything and accuse Mixers, but they won't easily enact such a law due to a lack of effective enforcement tools. Mixers have appeared and will continue to exist until the last day of the crypto market!

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Not just about protecting, but privacy in itself is a fundamental human right, but unfortunately, we live in a world  where the government wants to gain control over every single person, they want to monitor to know when you get off bed, when you make love to your wife, when you eat, by what time you left home in the morning and the places you went to all through the day, whom you sent money, how much and what the money was or is meant for, they want to virtually know every single thing about every single person in earth; even how big or small your d**k is 😂.

But thank goodness many are ready to fight back, thank goodness for Satoshi nakamoto who seem to have started the idea of decentralization through the invention of bitcoin and blockchain, and thanks to who ever invented the very first bitcoin/cryptocurrency mixer.

Satoshi was very wise to choose transparency over anonymity for BTC, which has allowed BTC to avoid the problems with governments and CEXs that privacy coins face. And Mixers are the necessary piece to add that anonymity feature, meeting the needs of users who don't want to be tracked through onchain data.

Governments may want to control everything and accuse Mixers, but they won't easily enact such a law due to a lack of effective enforcement tools. Mixers have appeared and will continue to exist until the last day of the crypto market!

Very true and I completely agree with you, for except the internet seize to exist, there will always be innovations that possibly doesn't sit well with the government, but will exist as long as there are people interested in such innovations, the worst the government can do is try to such as many down, but then, the more they shut down, the more new ones are coming up..

A good example is when and after chipmixer was seized and shut down, mixers weren't that much before then, infact, I think it probably wont be up to ten mixers that existed then, but immediately after chipmixer was seized and taken down, mixers started popping up like gambling casinos, though not every one of them are legit, but then, mixers have become more popular than they were in the past before the government took chipmixer down.

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A good example is when and after chipmixer was seized and shut down, mixers weren't that much before then, infact, I think it probably wont be up to ten mixers that existed then, but immediately after chipmixer was seized and taken down, mixers started popping up like gambling casinos, though not every one of them are legit, but then, mixers have become more popular than they were in the past before the government took chipmixer down.

If I remember correctly, a little over 1,900 Bitcoins were seized during the seizing of CM. Sounds like serious money, maybe that woke up others to try their hand at this business. It seems to be quite a profitable branch of the crypto industry.

[Lucius]

If I remember correctly, a little over 1,900 Bitcoins were seized during the seizing of CM. Sounds like serious money, maybe that woke up others to try their hand at this business. It seems to be quite a profitable branch of the crypto industry.

It is a good business if you know how to set yourself up correctly from the beginning, which means that you should be honest and transparent with your clients - and at the same time not allow yourself to become an easy target for those who are always on the hunt for those who engage in this kind of business.

What the CM case also showed is that they kept things (private keys) and who knows what else, even though they claimed that it was all deleted after some time. I remember that I looked at an old wallet from which I did not empty everything, and of course everything disappeared.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

A good example is when and after chipmixer was seized and shut down, mixers weren't that much before then, infact, I think it probably wont be up to ten mixers that existed then, but immediately after chipmixer was seized and taken down, mixers started popping up like gambling casinos, though not every one of them are legit, but then, mixers have become more popular than they were in the past before the government took chipmixer down.

If I remember correctly, a little over 1,900 Bitcoins were seized during the seizing of CM. Sounds like serious money, maybe that woke up others to try their hand at this business. It seems to be quite a profitable branch of the crypto industry.

1900 bitcoins at the current price of bitcoin which is $54,300 is approximately $110,960,000, this doesn't sound like serious money, It's serious money bud, with this amount of money in my pocket, I never will know what poverty smells like..

So, for sure, running a bitcoin mixer never used to seem to me like a serious business that involved a lot of money, but the experience so far has proven otherwise.
Anyways, it's a profitable business but one that is a kind of risky, and the risk is making sure you don't get to popular to attract the attention of the government.

[KingsDen]

A good example is when and after chipmixer was seized and shut down, mixers weren't that much before then, infact, I think it probably wont be up to ten mixers that existed then, but immediately after chipmixer was seized and taken down, mixers started popping up like gambling casinos, though not every one of them are legit, but then, mixers have become more popular than they were in the past before the government took chipmixer down.

If I remember correctly, a little over 1,900 Bitcoins were seized during the seizing of CM. Sounds like serious money, maybe that woke up others to try their hand at this business. It seems to be quite a profitable branch of the crypto industry.

It was as if chipmixer monopolized the industry. They were widely trusted and most times fee-less and depended on tippings. Apart from people discovering how lucrative mixing service could be after the exit of chipmixer, many didn't also have the money to compete with the big fish.

So, when chipmixer ended, the market became extremely fair for anyone to compete, which is evidenced by the number of mixers that rose that period.

[MrSpasybo]

Very true and I completely agree with you, for except the internet seize to exist, there will always be innovations that possibly doesn't sit well with the government, but will exist as long as there are people interested in such innovations, the worst the government can do is try to such as many down, but then, the more they shut down, the more new ones are coming up..

A good example is when and after chipmixer was seized and shut down, mixers weren't that much before then, infact, I think it probably wont be up to ten mixers that existed then, but immediately after chipmixer was seized and taken down, mixers started popping up like gambling casinos, though not every one of them are legit, but then, mixers have become more popular than they were in the past before the government took chipmixer down.

I think these are ill-considered actions by the government as it could cause the situation to develop contrary to the government's initial expectations. The government bans crypto, but it makes crypto more famous because it can be a solution to avoid inflation. The government once punished a Crypto Mixer, but it led to the emergence and popularity of many more Crypto Mixers as investors are interested in anonymity when participating in this market.

Although I sympathize with the pressures that lawmakers are under when having to manage such a new and diverse crypto market, I will continue to support Crypto Mixers because Mixers are helping us stay out of the government sight. As long as the government has not yet determined how to protect investors from unfounded accusations related to dirty money, I will continue to use ThorMixer to get "clean" BTC for my CEX accounts.