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[bitmover]

While I understand what you're saying, keep in mind that mixers can be used to break the link between two addresses just for privacy reasons. I don't like the idea of banning addresses because then we're choosing what is a "good" or "bad" Bitcoin, but I would not completely blame a mixer for staying on the clearest legal side by avoiding addresses which are known for having been involved on scams.

That's what I was trying to say, mixers don't want to have any strict actions by the authorities as their owners are also humans who love privacy but they don't want to face huge trouble that might take place if anything crime related takes place.

Let's say if someone sending money from a known scam wallet or wallet used to fund criminal activities and is tagged by Sec and other such authorities then if I'm not wrong the mixers may also blacklist such addresses and that's possible.

As the number of Bitcoins is limited, I assume that at some point 80% of the coins in circulation will pass through one of the mixers at least once. I'm really interested in how the history of coins will be treated in that case. Of course, for all coins except for those that the SEC seizes at some point, because after the SEC they become clean.

I have seen Antonopoulos saying in a video that most of coins have been in mixers and casinos at some point, and this is probably true.

In the end, as basically all coins are "tainted", exchanges will probably just look for the last transactions.

[Lucius]

I have seen Antonopoulos saying in a video that most of coins have been in mixers and casinos at some point, and this is probably true.

In the end, as basically all coins are "tainted", exchanges will probably just look for the last transactions.

There is a "solution" to that "problem" and it's called "coin laundering" by government agencies - everything they seize becomes clean by some magic. When the authorities withdraw all the banknotes that were part of some illegal actions, then let them start talking about "tainted coins" - until then, they would be better off not embarrassing themselves with such nonsense.

[dkbit98]

I have seen Antonopoulos saying in a video that most of coins have been in mixers and casinos at some point, and this is probably true.

Is that guy alive and well?
I haven't seen any of his recent videos or social media posts, but I like listening to him and his educational content.

In the end, as basically all coins are "tainted", exchanges will probably just look for the last transactions.

Solution is to switch to alternative exchanges and services that don't have restrictions like this, and work on creating new ones.
If most of the people would stop using big exchanges this would have major effect.

[bitmover]

I have seen Antonopoulos saying in a video that most of coins have been in mixers and casinos at some point, and this is probably true.

Is that guy alive and well?
I haven't seen any of his recent videos or social media posts, but I like listening to him and his educational content.

I believe so. His latest videos in his youtube channel have about 6 month old.
https://www.youtube.com/@aantonop/videos

It is strange that he stopped in the last 6 months, but he may just be taking a break

[dkbit98]

It is strange that he stopped in the last 6 months, but he may just be taking a break

I think I heard something that he made a decision to take a break from public speaking and he deleted social media accounts.
Maybe he is working on some new book, or he is tired from everything that goes along with publicity.
Speaking about him, do you remember if he ever said anything about bitcoin mixers like Thormixer and others?

[bitmover]

It is strange that he stopped in the last 6 months, but he may just be taking a break

I think I heard something that he made a decision to take a break from public speaking and he deleted social media accounts.
Maybe he is working on some new book, or he is tired from everything that goes along with publicity.
Speaking about him, do you remember if he ever said anything about bitcoin mixers like Thormixer and others?

Yes, there is this amazing video about "tainted coins". He explains ideas about how to use coins even if a third party consider them "tainted"

[NotATether]

Yes, there is this amazing video about "tainted coins". He explains ideas about how to use coins even if a third party consider them "tainted"

Step number #1: Deposit tainted coins into Thormixer (or any other Jambler site)
Step number #2: Get clean coins out of it
Step number #3:
Step number #4: Profit

I have used this method countless times in order to sell bitcoins on centralized platforms and nobody has questioned me for a source of funds. I think it's safe to say that this method is quite reliable. Just be sure to not re-use output addresses when you mix the coins.

[MrSpasybo]

There is a "solution" to that "problem" and it's called "coin laundering" by government agencies - everything they seize becomes clean by some magic. When the authorities withdraw all the banknotes that were part of some illegal actions, then let them start talking about "tainted coins" - until then, they would be better off not embarrassing themselves with such nonsense.

Those are just government concepts, since governments propose and enforce laws. A lot of assets seized from criminals are liquidated by the government and given a new, legal life in the economy. The same can be said for crypto.

Legally, governments always have enough reasons to carry out their strategies and plans. They only back down and stop when they face public opposition and their shortcomings are exposed and criticized. I'm not against their concept of "dirty money", I just disagree with their extreme actions against users and mixers.

[dkbit98]

Yes, there is this amazing video about "tainted coins". He explains ideas about how to use coins even if a third party consider them "tainted"

He explained it very well about ''tainted'' coins.
I fully agree with him on this question, it would be best to have full privacy on bitcoin base layer.
Until that happens (if ever) it is good to have all kinds of privacy tools like coinjoin, mixers and no-kyc exchanges.

[SamReomo]

Step number #1: Deposit tainted coins into Thormixer (or any other Jambler site)
Step number #2: Get clean coins out of it
Step number #3:
Step number #4: Profit

I have used this method countless times in order to sell bitcoins on centralized platforms and nobody has questioned me for a source of funds. I think it's safe to say that this method is quite reliable. Just be sure to not re-use output addresses when you mix the coins.

Yes, that's true, mixers make all tainted coins clean and the clean coins can be sold on exchange without any worries. They are the coins with low AML score and low AML is always safe for selling and no exchanges will question on sell of those coins. The market for mixers is high and it will remain that way because it's not only used to clean tainted coins but also used to enhance privacy of the coins so the investors who have huge number of coins won't bother much while transferring their coins to many wallets.

[examplens]

Yes, that's true, mixers make all tainted coins clean and the clean coins can be sold on exchange without any worries. They are the coins with low AML score and low AML is always safe for selling and no exchanges will question on sell of those coins.

Many exchanges believe that if a coin came from a mixer, it must be tainted, regardless of its origin. That's why what you quoted is important. NotATether, Thormixer and Jambler's partners have a very functional model, so even various AML checkers cannot recognize that the coins were part of the mixing process at all.

[dkbit98]

Many exchanges believe that if a coin came from a mixer, it must be tainted, regardless of its origin. That's why what you quoted is important. NotATether, Thormixer and Jambler's partners have a very functional model, so even various AML checkers cannot recognize that the coins were part of the mixing process at all.

It would be more fair from all centralized exchanges to ask for Bitcoin address customers are sending from first.
Instead they are accepting coins from everyone and than applying their magic tricks to say if coins are acceptable or not, and if they are going to be freozen.
So far I didnt hear about any problem like that with coins coming from Thormixer and other Jambler partners, but it also depends if customer is doing good address management.

[SamReomo]

Many exchanges believe that if a coin came from a mixer, it must be tainted, regardless of its origin. That's why what you quoted is important. NotATether, Thormixer and Jambler's partners have a very functional model, so even various AML checkers cannot recognize that the coins were part of the mixing process at all.

That's true, the coins that come directly from mixers have been considered tainted by the exchanges and when I used to be part of a mixer campaign at Bitcoin and receive my weekly earnings to my exchange account directly instead of first receiving those at my own addresses then moving those at exchange's address, and for that I faced some issues.

When it comes to Thormixer, and Jambler's partners I can surely say that I've deposited the mixed coins at my exchange's address and I faced no issue or warnings at all. And, that's why I believe the coins that get mixed using Thormixer or any of Jambler's partners are clean coins not tainted ones.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Many exchanges believe that if a coin came from a mixer, it must be tainted, regardless of its origin. That's why what you quoted is important. NotATether, Thormixer and Jambler's partners have a very functional model, so even various AML checkers cannot recognize that the coins were part of the mixing process at all.

That's true, the coins that come directly from mixers have been considered tainted by the exchanges and when I used to be part of a mixer campaign at Bitcoin and receive my weekly earnings to my exchange account directly instead of first receiving those at my own addresses then moving those at exchange's address, and for that I faced some issues.

When it comes to Thormixer, and Jambler's partners I can surely say that I've deposited the mixed coins at my exchange's address and I faced no issue or warnings at all. And, that's why I believe the coins that get mixed using Thormixer or any of Jambler's partners are clean coins not tainted ones.

Exchanges can only become weary of bitcoin coming into their exchange if they can not trace the source from which or where it's coming from, so in other words, exchanges can only know that the bitcoin coming into the exchange was mixed, only if the person or user mixing the bitcoin made the mistake of submitting a direct Exchange bitcoin wallet address for the mixed coins to be sent there right from the mixer, this is usually a huge mistake  ..

Mixed bitcoin should first be received on one's personal wallet, and after some time, the person can then send the bitcoin to the exchange wallet address, there won't be any issue of tainted coins .

[SamReomo]

Mixed bitcoin should first be received on one's personal wallet, and after some time, the person can then send the bitcoin to the exchange wallet address, there won't be any issue of tainted coins .

That's actually a good suggestion and I highly agree with you. I believe it's way better to receive Bitcoin first at one's own personal wallet than receiving it at an exchange's wallet. That way a person won't face any such issues, however if I'm not wrong, the mixed coins from Thormixer are mixed in a way that if they were deposited directly into someone's exchange's wallet then that won't cause any issues, but of course it's always better to use personal wallet for the task.