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[God Of Thunder]

Previously, there were various reasons why some mixers went in the direction that users should have accounts with them for the mixing process. For example, whirlwind.money also offered a staking option, because the funds would still be used for the mixing process, but that didn't end well. However, we do not know the exact reasons for closing this mixer.

Yeah, I read about this website a lot on the other forum and there was some fight and debate as well. It does not look good when a mixer actually offers staking options and lets you earn a commission. Mixer services are always at risk due to their nature and the way the government sees them. They are always hunted by the governments. By creating an account in a mixer and staking money, users are risking losing their money and handing over the data to the government. I remember having a chat with LM who was removed from the Whirlwind campaign when he asked them about staking. LOL.

[DYING_S0UL]

I didn't know the bad side of Centralized exchanges before I joined my forum journey. I was happily using Coinbase and Binance back then. I still use Binance to sell my USDT. But, I wish I have more options so I can stop using centralized exchanges.

The first wallet I ever used was Coinbase, lol! Anyway, I have stopped using it a long time ago, after realizing the truth! AFAIK, coinbase literally sold customers information! Not hacked not leaked but sold! Can you imagine that! Currently, I have been using Binance only, but for P2P purpose only!

Have you tried bisq before? https://bisq.network/
It's decentralized and KYC free, although I'm not sure whether you can do P2P trade here with Bkash, nagad or other regional payment method!

[SamReomo]

Mixer services are always at risk due to their nature and the way the government sees them. They are always hunted by the governments. By creating an account in a mixer and staking money, users are risking losing their money and handing over the data to the government.

Yes, that's true, the services that offer privacy often get seized by authorities and if they somehow log user data then that data can be in hands of government when such services are seized and taken down by authorities like SEC. It's always better to only use the mixers that doesn't have any such requirements, and to be honest, I haven't seen any mixer asking to create an account in order to mix Bitcoin.

[dkbit98]

Do you mean to register a new account or do you have an account in the mixing service, if you have an account then it means that they know or record the previous transactions or in other words avoid using that mixer. and Unijoin was not asking to create an account.

I never heard about mixers asking users to create any accounts, unless that is used only for earning some percentage reward from ref links.
It would be crazy to login every time you have to mix coins, but this is  perfect trap to track users 100%.

[TryNinja]

Do you mean to register a new account or do you have an account in the mixing service, if you have an account then it means that they know or record the previous transactions or in other words avoid using that mixer. and Unijoin was not asking to create an account.

I never heard about mixers asking users to create any accounts, unless that is used only for earning some percentage reward from ref links.
It would be crazy to login every time you have to mix coins, but this is  perfect trap to track users 100%.

I guess he's probably talking about mixers which are actually wallets with built-in mixers. They have the option to receive and send coins, just like an ordinary wallet, but they also let you mix your coins so you have privacy. It's not necessarily a trap since the mixing part could not be logging the in and out of coins, but still... I rather stay on Electrum.

[God Of Thunder]

Yes, that's true, the services that offer privacy often get seized by authorities and if they somehow log user data then that data can be in hands of government when such services are seized and taken down by authorities like SEC. It's always better to only use the mixers that doesn't have any such requirements, and to be honest, I haven't seen any mixer asking to create an account in order to mix Bitcoin.

Me too. I also did not notice any mixers asking for an account before a user started mixing. Fivestar4everMVP said he saw Unijoin had a user registration system or something like that before they disappeared. I don't remember using Unijoin and I don't remember creating an account there. I don't think people would create an account on mixers if they know the bad side.

Have you tried bisq before? https://bisq.network/
It's decentralized and KYC free, although I'm not sure whether you can do P2P trade here with Bkash, nagad or other regional payment method!

No. I haven't tried them. I actually tried a lot of these kinds of platforms, and none of them support our regional payment methods, and there are not many local users. This is why we are unable to use such great services.

[dkbit98]

I guess he's probably talking about mixers which are actually wallets with built-in mixers. They have the option to receive and send coins, just like an ordinary wallet, but they also let you mix your coins so you have privacy. It's not necessarily a trap since the mixing part could not be logging the in and out of coins, but still... I rather stay on Electrum.

Do you have any examples for wallets with built-in mixers?
I think electrum wallet once had did have a plugin that could be used with chipmixer, but there was no accounts or anything like this, and that service is dead.
There are wallets with coinjoins, but that is a different topic.

[bitmover]

I guess he's probably talking about mixers which are actually wallets with built-in mixers. They have the option to receive and send coins, just like an ordinary wallet, but they also let you mix your coins so you have privacy. It's not necessarily a trap since the mixing part could not be logging the in and out of coins, but still... I rather stay on Electrum.

Do you have any examples for wallets with built-in mixers?
I think electrum wallet once had did have a plugin that could be used with chipmixer, but there was no accounts or anything like this, and that service is dead.
There are wallets with coinjoins, but that is a different topic.

Some wallets have coinjoins integrated, such as Samourai and Wasabi. Samourai devs were arrested for money laundry a few months ago.

But I don't think that is the case, as coinjoin is not the same as mixer.

[SamReomo]

I don't think people would create an account on mixers if they know the bad side.

Well, I'm not sure about others but personally I would never create an account on mixers in order to mix my coins, that's totally against the law of privacy. It's always better to use the mixers that doesn't want any such accounts and Thormixer is one of those and so are other famous and reputed mixers. I also didn't remember using Unijoin but I think I visited their site many time but didn't use their mixing feature.

[TryNinja]

Do you have any examples for wallets with built-in mixers?
I think electrum wallet once had did have a plugin that could be used with chipmixer, but there was no accounts or anything like this, and that service is dead.
There are wallets with coinjoins, but that is a different topic.

I don't remember, but I am pretty sure there was at least one (I remember visiting the website once). I'll see if I can find it, but not even sure if they're still up and working.

And it wasn't using Coinjoin, pretty sure it had a custodial mixer.

[dkbit98]

Some wallets have coinjoins integrated, such as Samourai and Wasabi. Samourai devs were arrested for money laundry a few months ago.

But I don't think that is the case, as coinjoin is not the same as mixer.

I know about that, but coinjoins aer mostly decentralized, except for the part with coordinators in wasabi.
Samourai wallet continue to exist via forked wallet called Ashigaru, it is getting regular updates and project is doing fine despite facing many DDoS attacks on their website.

[SamReomo]

Samourai wallet continue to exist via forked wallet called Ashigaru, it is getting regular updates and project is doing fine despite facing many DDoS attacks on their website.

Well, then at this moment it's still working as that fork but who knows if authorities will allow that to exist for long term. I personally believe that as long as mixers like Thormixer are present we don't need to rely on coinjoins.

[examplens]

Well, then at this moment it's still working as that fork but who knows if authorities will allow that to exist for long term. I personally believe that as long as mixers like Thormixer are present we don't need to rely on coinjoins.

Thormixer with Jambler backend is certainly a good choice, but it is equally necessary to have other Coinjoin options. Authorities have a similar attitude towards Thormixer (or any mixer) as well as towards any coinjoin service. Once coins from groups like Lazarus start being sent to some mixers, it raises red flags with authorities. At least that's been the excuse for every mixer seizure so far.

[SamReomo]

Once coins from groups like Lazarus start being sent to some mixers, it raises red flags with authorities. At least that's been the excuse for every mixer seizure so far.

I don't know if I'm right or not but I think that mixers like Thormixer and other Jambler partner might have a mechanism to block all those addresses that are liked with groups like Lazarus in order to protect themselves from authorities. They might have blacklisted those groups wallet addresses.

[bitmover]

Well, then at this moment it's still working as that fork but who knows if authorities will allow that to exist for long term. I personally believe that as long as mixers like Thormixer are present we don't need to rely on coinjoins.

Thormixer with Jambler backend is certainly a good choice, but it is equally necessary to have other Coinjoin options. Authorities have a similar attitude towards Thormixer (or any mixer) as well as towards any coinjoin service. Once coins from groups like Lazarus start being sent to some mixers, it raises red flags with authorities. At least that's been the excuse for every mixer seizure so far.

And that is very complicated for mixers. After some transactions, it might be difficult for the mixer to detected a "tainted" coin automatically.

i don't know how mixers control the "cleaness" of the coin they receive, except for jambler that I know has some strict rules.