My question about Karma?

[examplens]

Not only which posts received the most +karma, but also those who received -karma. It will be especially useful to detect the abuse of karma, because currently there is a possibility that someone gives negative karma to a user for no reason at all, without the user notice it at all. I already wrote about it, by following someone's activity in a certain period it is possible to cancel every positive karma with a negative one without the user noticing it at all.

There is also no doubt that there is abuse of positive karma, because recently we had several users (all new accounts) who shill a certain service and someone gave them positive karma for classic shitposting - which means that they had a Senior+ rank that they used for that activity.

The sooner we get that feature, the better for everyone.

Currently, the monitoring of karma abuse is exclusively the responsibility of the admin and some moderators. But it would certainly be more efficient if everyone had an insight into at least which posts received karma points (regardless of + or -)

It's not the only thing, but I'm not sure why the administration insists that everything goes exclusively through them. Surely it would be much easier for them too if you relieve yourself of at least some simple duties. I guess it was left over from the time when there was less activity on the forum, so it didn't take too much time.

[Freemind]

This is pretty interesting that the most requested, ever since I got here will finally be available. Right now, it makes me curious if it includes showing what post/s got the negative karma or only the positive one. Because as far as I remember, the admin mentioned before that making it visible, spwcifically the negative karma, might create a conflict to every user who got it and send it.

The karma shown must always be positive and negative. Ignoring negative karma would only serve to deceive ourselves.

I see, so the goal is to show the post/s have been earning positive and negative karma without including the name of the user who gave it? Right? It's a great option, at least no conflict will occur.

Exactly, the idea is that each thread/post has an individual karma counter, but like now, sending that karma remains anonymous. It will give us more information about the topics that forum users are most interested in and possibly a path forward, since this information will be very useful also for possible advertisers. But like I said, the admin is still working on it and there is no approximate release date.

[albon]

Karme is given for the best post kara by being attentive to you so it's what you deserve. You can get karma from post on any topic but it should be helpful and qualify.  But of course higher rank member gave you karma because here only sir member and above rank karma enable. Moreover karma gives an account strong biostory, which is why most people will try to earn it. This is an accessible basic position that karma will introduce your account as a valuable user.

[Husna QA]

Currently, the monitoring of karma abuse is exclusively the responsibility of the admin and some moderators. But it would certainly be more efficient if everyone had an insight into at least which posts received karma points (regardless of + or -)

It's not the only thing, but I'm not sure why the administration insists that everything goes exclusively through them. Surely it would be much easier for them too if you relieve yourself of at least some simple duties. I guess it was left over from the time when there was less activity on the forum, so it didn't take too much time.

Do you have a link explaining that some moderators can check the forum logs to monitor karma abuse?

As far as I know, the only person who can monitor karma abuse via forum logs is the admin, and moderators do not have access to monitor karma logs. The only exception is for users who want to know by fulfilling the requirements as the admin explains here: The Eye of Sauron - See who gave you karma.

[Freemind]

Do you have a link explaining that some moderators can check the forum logs to monitor karma abuse?

As far as I know, the only person who can monitor karma abuse via forum logs is the admin, and moderators do not have access to monitor karma logs. The only exception is for users who want to know by fulfilling the requirements as the admin explains here: The Eye of Sauron - See who gave you karma.

I think I've already said it (also the administrator and other moderators) on occasion, but I don't mind repeating it: neither the president nor the vice president nor the global moderators have access to that information. Only the administrator has access to the forum's karma logs. I guess @examplens was wrong and was talking about another feature that more forum staff have access to.

[examplens]

Do you have a link explaining that some moderators can check the forum logs to monitor karma abuse?

As far as I know, the only person who can monitor karma abuse via forum logs is the admin, and moderators do not have access to monitor karma logs. The only exception is for users who want to know by fulfilling the requirements as the admin explains here: The Eye of Sauron - See who gave you karma.

I think I've already said it (also the administrator and other moderators) on occasion, but I don't mind repeating it: neither the president nor the vice president nor the global moderators have access to that information. Only the administrator has access to the forum's karma logs. I guess @examplens was wrong and was talking about another feature that more forum staff have access to.

OK, let me be more specific. I have no information about the hierarchy on this forum and the exact powers of the moderators. I got the impression that more than one person does the administration of the forum.
 
What I wanted to point out is that with certain authorizations it is possible to see the karma log (with the fact that it is possible to get such information by burning ALTT tokens). Whether it is possible and how complicated it is to implement anything related to the karma system, probably only the admin can give an answer.

It is completely irrelevant whether only one or 5 users have the possibility to see the karma log. I don't see why there is a drama about it.

[Freemind]

OK, let me be more specific. I have no information about the hierarchy on this forum and the exact powers of the moderators. I got the impression that more than one person does the administration of the forum.
 
What I wanted to point out is that with certain authorizations it is possible to see the karma log (with the fact that it is possible to get such information by burning ALTT tokens). Whether it is possible and how complicated it is to implement anything related to the karma system, probably only the admin can give an answer.

It is completely irrelevant whether only one or 5 users have the possibility to see the karma log. I don't see why there is a drama about it.

The hierarchy is as you already know:

- Administrator: Logically has access to all types of logs, sections...
- President: Has some privileges that the rest of the forum staff do not have either. And does not have access to karma logs.
- Vice president: Has almost the same privileges as the president and both are responsible for appointing new moderators.
- Global moderators: They have access to all sections of the forum, they can also move, delete posts and award badges...
- Moderators.
- Local moderators.

*There are functions that I have omitted since they are not relevant to the topic we are talking about.*

I don't know why you think that more than one person manages the forum, as far as I know, there is only one administrator and only he can see the karma logs.

Drama? Where? 

[Husna QA]

OK, let me be more specific. I have no information about the hierarchy on this forum and the exact powers of the moderators. I got the impression that more than one person does the administration of the forum.
 
What I wanted to point out is that with certain authorizations it is possible to see the karma log (with the fact that it is possible to get such information by burning ALTT tokens). Whether it is possible and how complicated it is to implement anything related to the karma system, probably only the admin can give an answer.

It is completely irrelevant whether only one or 5 users have the possibility to see the karma log. I don't see why there is a drama about it.

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I don't know why you think that more than one person manages the forum, as far as I know, there is only one administrator and only he can see the karma logs.

Drama? Where?  :)

I assume that @examplens compares karma with a merit system, where the merit system will display who gave the merit so that all users can check whether the post is worthy.

Meanwhile, in the karma system (implemented in the altcoinstalks forum), karma logs are not shown freely to the public, and even forum staff (aside from admins) do not have access to these logs.

I tried to find some literature related to the Karma feature on Simple Machine-based forum.
I did not find any more specific information about whether the Karma feature can display information directly to the public about the sending user and how much karma +/- it gives to other users' posts.


https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/SMF2.0:Features_and_Options#Karma

[Freemind]

I did not find any more specific information about whether the Karma feature can display information directly to the public about the sending user and how much karma +/- it gives to other users' posts.

From the information we can read in the links you have provided we can see that there is no specific function to show karma in posts, but that does not mean that a plugin cannot be installed to perform that function. In case it wasn't that easy, after reading what the administrator said in several of his posts, it is possible that this new feature can be programmed or made to work by modifying the existing code.

I don't think the admin said he could do it without being sure it's possible one way or another.

Thanks for the link, I find it useful and interesting.

+1

[philipma1957]

But karma is not limited in one sense. You can click 2500 different people with a plus day after day after day.

In the other sense it is just 1 point per person every 10 or 12 hours.

It is kind of cool.

[Uruhara]

But karma is not limited in one sense. You can click 2500 different people with a plus day after day after day.

In the other sense it is just 1 point per person every 10 or 12 hours.

It is kind of cool.

Well, this is the cool thing about this system. Because there is no reason for us to always save Karma because Karma will not run out like sMerit in Btt. So we can be more free in giving good ratings to every user who has posts that are useful enough for us to give Karma. Although there is a time limit for giving Karma to each user. And actually sometimes some users have good posts in each post and sometimes we can be encouraged to give more Karma. But unfortunately we can only give 1 in the specified time period. But I still like how Karma works.

[Zed0X]

But karma is not limited in one sense. You can click 2500 different people with a plus day after day after day.

In the other sense it is just 1 point per person every 10 or 12 hours.

It is kind of cool.

Well, this is the cool thing about this system. Because there is no reason for us to always save Karma because Karma will not run out like sMerit in Btt. So we can be more free in giving good ratings to every user who has posts that are useful enough for us to give Karma. Although there is a time limit for giving Karma to each user. And actually sometimes some users have good posts in each post and sometimes we can be encouraged to give more Karma. But unfortunately we can only give 1 in the specified time period. But I still like how Karma works.

I'm not entirely sure but it seems the admin reverted to 1 +Karma in 10 hours per member. I remember maybe last month or 2 months ago that I could only give 1 +Karma for the whole duration.

[Husna QA]

I did not find any more specific information about whether the Karma feature can display information directly to the public about the sending user and how much karma +/- it gives to other users' posts.

From the information we can read in the links you have provided we can see that there is no specific function to show karma in posts, but that does not mean that a plugin cannot be installed to perform that function. In case it wasn't that easy, after reading what the administrator said in several of his posts, it is possible that this new feature can be programmed or made to work by modifying the existing code.

I don't think the admin said he could do it without being sure it's possible one way or another.

Thanks for the link, I find it useful and interesting.

+1

Special modifications are needed to display karma +/- on posts without displaying who the sender is to avoid 'karma war.' So it's understandable if the admin still hasn't implemented this new feature in an undetermined time.

At Bitcointalk, there is PowerGlove (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3486361), which has several times helped provide several changes to the forum, such as the 2FA feature and others which by default are not available on simple machine-based forums. Maybe the admin can invite him to collaborate and provide some updates to the Altcoinstalks forum.

Meanwhile, the information contained in the karma log can be more detailed but less practical because you have to go through the existing list to see it. Examples I came across:





Reference: https://custom.simplemachines.org/index.php?mod=192

[examplens]

The hierarchy is as you already know:

- Administrator: Logically has access to all types of logs, sections...
- President: Has some privileges that the rest of the forum staff do not have either. And does not have access to karma logs.
- Vice president: Has almost the same privileges as the president and both are responsible for appointing new moderators.
- Global moderators: They have access to all sections of the forum, they can also move, delete posts and award badges...
- Moderators.
- Local moderators.

Once upon a time, I did it in the backend of one local forum. And as far as I remember, all of the things you listed are forum stuff, whether a certain rank will be called president or chief, is a matter of forum arrangements such as colours or font type (just example). The administrator should be able to grant privileges regardless of the rank generated through the activity.
So it is possible that some newbie got all admin privileges. (for example, hiring a programmer to improve the code or similar) it is certainly not necessary to wait for his progress on the forum through activity.
Based on this, I claimed that I do not know who exactly has what privileges, because it is possible that only one of the vice-presidents also has admin rights. I am not claiming that this is a case, but a possibility.

Special modifications are needed to display karma +/- on posts without displaying who the sender is to avoid 'karma war.' So it's understandable if the admin still hasn't implemented this new feature in an undetermined time.

Well, that would certainly help users recognize which posts are recognized as good or bad. It would certainly have a positive impact on the increase in the quality of forum posts. Of course, without information about who assigned the karma point, it would certainly cause many unnecessary discussions and arguments

[Freemind]

Once upon a time, I did it in the backend of one local forum. And as far as I remember, all of the things you listed are forum stuff, whether a certain rank will be called president or chief, is a matter of forum arrangements such as colours or font type (just example). The administrator should be able to grant privileges regardless of the rank generated through the activity.
So it is possible that some newbie got all admin privileges. (for example, hiring a programmer to improve the code or similar) it is certainly not necessary to wait for his progress on the forum through activity.
Based on this, I claimed that I do not know who exactly has what privileges, because it is possible that only one of the vice-presidents also has admin rights. I am not claiming that this is a case, but a possibility.

Correct, even the lowest rank of user could have the maximum permissions, that is the administrator's decision, but it is not like that, but anyway, since I have been on this forum I have never seen anything like this. The administrator is the one in charge of development and makes the final decisions (although he always tries to listen to everyone) while the moderators, president and vice president perform the functions that I listed in one of my previous posts.