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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2024, 05:51:23 PM »
Yeah exactly. People accepts brirbery during elections that is why corrupt politicians will have to make something just to recover the loss they've paid during the campaign period. This is what actually is happening here in my small country. When majority of these bad voters overpower the good voters we are left hanging and things will become worst as corruptions became more rampant.  I think we need a reform on this.

Regarding bribery. I, in my country, have observed this process. That is why I said earlier that I think it is necessary to limit voting rights. It is the pensioners and the poor who are bought very cheaply. And the biggest problem is not that they are being sold, but that they are being sold to get a momentary gain for a day-week-month, with absolutely no thought for the FUTURE. They live today, and they have the most primitive needs, they are not used to building complex cause-and-effect relationships to understand that selling your vote today, for 10 dollars, you, your children and grandchildren will lose thousands of dollars and POSSIBILITIES, and will be deprived of a quality future!
Here in my place vote buying starts from $50-$200 for mayors and councilors which makes things gets worst if some nonsense politicians will win a slot in the local government as you have said it's a few days of glory just because of the money but it will take more years to suffer from the effect of that wrong doing.

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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2024, 06:14:21 PM »
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What are the solutions to solve these problems associated with bad government and poor economic conditions?
Shear your ideas and opinions  ...

Bad government ridicule the economy but let me ask again, who are the government? Aren't we the government? It is you and I that forms the government but any time the president and governors doesn't do something in accordance to the way we like, we attack them when the individuals are also corrupt in their own ways.

We blame the government over little things hit we are the first to start corruption under our small offices, we used privilege of our offices not to follow due protocols, used influence to break laws and many things that can lead us to jail but we blame the government all the time forgetting that we are also part of the government.
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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2024, 10:25:24 AM »
Here in my place vote buying starts from $50-$200 for mayors and councilors which makes things gets worst if some nonsense politicians will win a slot in the local government as you have said it's a few days of glory just because of the money but it will take more years to suffer from the effect of that wrong doing.

Money politics is not a novel occurrence in the political realm.
However, it appears to be a topic that is largely overlooked.
The lack of public awareness regarding the practice of money politics and the associated risks is a significant contributing factor to the proliferation of money politics.
Efforts to eradicate money politics are not straightforward, requiring a lengthy and complex process.
Incorporating money politics content into educational curricula represents a culturally effective long-term strategy.
In the short term, active voter participation in monitoring election participants can minimize money politics.

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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2024, 10:42:08 AM »
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What are the solutions to solve these problems associated with bad government and poor economic conditions?
Shear your ideas and opinions  ...

Bad government ridicule the economy but let me ask again, who are the government? Aren't we the government? It is you and I that forms the government but any time the president and governors doesn't do something in accordance to the way we like, we attack them when the individuals are also corrupt in their own ways.

We blame the government over little things hit we are the first to start corruption under our small offices, we used privilege of our offices not to follow due protocols, used influence to break laws and many things that can lead us to jail but we blame the government all the time forgetting that we are also part of the government.

+ !

It's nice to hear such words !
When more than half of the people will realize that the power is us, corruption is also us, and that we not only choose the power, but also have the right to demand the fulfillment of the goals and election promises. At the same time not to support populists, not to trust those who have already lost trust and deceived, not to believe liars, totalitarian rulers, religious fanatics, corruptors,....  So as not to complain to everyone around you "I have a bad government in my country" :)


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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2024, 03:51:12 PM »

PS I for example believe that one of the laws that can improve the situation - is the right to vote - only the tax payer ! Let me clarify, although it will sound unpleasant - but pensioners, and all those who are on state support, in a society where there are problems with the government - should not vote. The reason is banal - they are the "breeding ground", which is very easy to cheat or simply bribe for pennies !

The fundamental principles of democracy are equality and inclusiveness, and the right to participate in the political process is considered a human right. Limiting the franchise to a select few can be viewed as a violation of democratic principles.

Jason Brennan, a professor and author, states that there is a side effect of the democratic system, which encourages citizens to be irrational, tribal behavior and not take their vote seriously.
Therefore, he proposes a complementary system to mitigate these shortcomings, The concept of Epistocracy.
Brennan's concept of Epistocracy is a potential solution to this problem. However, its applicability remains a matter of debate among experts. Some experts consider this concept applicable and believe it can complement the democratic system.


From the point of view of theory - I ABSOLUTELY agree with you !
But... As always there are nuances... The point is that restrictions were and will be in people's lives, and democracy is not permissiveness. Any idea can be brought to absurdity - for example, if democracy - I have the right to do what I want, and therefore I can take away your car because it does not like it ? But then everyone will immediately say - you have no such right, because it violates the right of private property !
Then the question is why criminals and people with antisocial goals have the right to influence the lives of other people, taking away their FUTURE and the right to live a quality life !??  :)

And as a conclusion, I can say that "for the rights of those who want to be disenfranchised" is very often advocated by those for whom this audience - very convenient and profitable.

I will give an example, very unpleasant for me, but very indicative. I am a citizen in Ukraine. I was born back in the days of the USSR. But from childhood I hated totalitarianism and the squalor of "developed socialism, in the best country". You have no idea what were the realities of life in the USSR ...
And as a country that survived 70 years of occupation by the USSR, there are still quite a lot of citizens in Ukriana who are used to living in the USSR, fear and hate FREEDOM, hate progress, hate universal values. And this is actively used by some politicians. And under the slogans "let's return to the USSR", plus giving these people a small food "present" (they are all elderly) - they get a megaloyal audience that will hate everything new, and will pull the whole country back to ruin, totalitarianism, disenfranchisement. And there are VERY MULTIPLE such people. They don't care, they don't have responsibility, they are driven by hatred, and they end up making up, if not a large, then a significant mass of voters. And they will NEVER make a choice for the FUTURE, only "forward to the past".

Plus, I believe that people who do not pay taxes at the moment, are on the maintenance of the state (read - TAXPAYERS), i.e. they from "their pocket", their labor and their time do not pay for the maintenance of others and the country, they can not make balanced and objective decisions to improve the situation !   

PS Epistocracy is quite a good solution !

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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2024, 11:24:33 AM »
Here in my place vote buying starts from $50-$200 for mayors and councilors which makes things gets worst if some nonsense politicians will win a slot in the local government as you have said it's a few days of glory just because of the money but it will take more years to suffer from the effect of that wrong doing.
So the habit of bribery in some countries still exists, it is truly ironic that people's votes are bought at a cheap price, even though those who serve as mayors or council members will get more from the money collected by people's taxes.

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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2024, 09:22:19 PM »
What are the solutions to solve these problems associated with bad government and poor economic conditions?
There has to be a general resolve from every citizen to vote rightly and to defend their votes. Because when citizens vote without defending their votes, it is almost the same as not voting because there is a higher chance that the elections will be humanly manipulated in favor of the corrupt politician. People need to stop taking money to vote for a candidate they know is incompetent; we need to vote for the best person for the job because, with a good government, there will be better policies that will make the economy better.
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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2024, 09:27:42 PM »
So the habit of bribery in some countries still exists, it is truly ironic that people's votes are bought at a cheap price, even though those who serve as mayors or council members will get more from the money collected by people's taxes.

You should probably comes to Africa and see wonders. This is not new and it's not going to stop soon because when a country is been over populated by high number of poor citizens, then it's very easy to manipulate people with hunger and then the wealthy person use his money to gather all the number of votes needed plus the ones they manipulated without real voters.

This is the reason why we still have high number of bad leadership and no matter how you preach and try to change people's mind set, it's always difficult because you don't have the means to provide them food. If food and rate of poverty can be reduce, a lot of people will be able to think straight and good governance will be available in all countries.
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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2024, 04:37:40 PM »
Here in my place vote buying starts from $50-$200 for mayors and councilors which makes things gets worst if some nonsense politicians will win a slot in the local government as you have said it's a few days of glory just because of the money but it will take more years to suffer from the effect of that wrong doing.
So the habit of bribery in some countries still exists, it is truly ironic that people's votes are bought at a cheap price, even though those who serve as mayors or council members will get more from the money collected by people's taxes.
Yeah that's how it works here in my country and I wish there will be a total reform  like adopting federal government so people can clearly see what city or region really has improvements as we are actually suffering from this ever since the early days I don't know why.

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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2024, 09:49:16 PM »
Today in our society,  bad governance can lead to economic crises and make the cost of living very hard for the citizens, in a democratic society, citizens have their rights to vote for who they want for the betterment of the society,  but we still have corruption which affects the elections negatively.
What are the solutions to solve these problems associated with bad government and poor economic conditions?
Shear your ideas and opinions  ...
Yes Bad governance is main responsible for any countries bad economy. Good governance can made a country eatable and economically independent and bad Governance can made a country Bancroft. So for a country good governance is very important there has no doubt

Good governance is big subject and it is very important and it is very essential for devolve any countries. 
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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2024, 04:48:25 PM »
Here in my place vote buying starts from $50-$200 for mayors and councilors which makes things gets worst if some nonsense politicians will win a slot in the local government as you have said it's a few days of glory just because of the money but it will take more years to suffer from the effect of that wrong doing.

Money politics is not a novel occurrence in the political realm.
However, it appears to be a topic that is largely overlooked.
The lack of public awareness regarding the practice of money politics and the associated risks is a significant contributing factor to the proliferation of money politics.
Efforts to eradicate money politics are not straightforward, requiring a lengthy and complex process.
Incorporating money politics content into educational curricula represents a culturally effective long-term strategy.
In the short term, active voter participation in monitoring election participants can minimize money politics.
I actually volunteered as as a watcher before and politicians tried to bribe us on their favor that is how rubbish politics here in my country that is why bad governance still exist in here and will continue to exist in the future if people will tolerate that kind of wrong doings and progress keeps on lagging because of that as politicians will surely regain what they've lost during elections.

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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2024, 08:04:04 AM »
The bad management on economic sector should be the cause of bad economic condition in a country. Sometimes the government prioritize something unnecessary and it takes huge amount of money. For example, the government builds a new big city although it is not really needed for the citizens. Finally, people don't want to move there and it just wasting the money.

Corruption is also another factor to lead to bad economic condition. In my country, the punishment for corruptors is not appropriate. They only spends a little time in the jail and pay small fine to the state. This makes the corruptors aren't afraid and it is even to lead to more cases of other corruptions.

Anyway, it is scary to know the corruption index among the countries in the world.  :'(



Source: https://confidencial.digital/english/nicaragua-among-the-worlds-nine-most-corrupt-countries/

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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2024, 11:59:11 PM »
Today in our society,  bad governance can lead to economic crises and make the cost of living very hard for the citizens, in a democratic society, citizens have their rights to vote for who they want for the betterment of the society,  but we still have corruption which affects the elections negatively.
What are the solutions to solve these problems associated with bad government and poor economic conditions?
Shear your ideas and opinions  ...

To begin with, it is necessary to understand one simple truth - the government in the country does not appear on its own - it is chosen by someone. And it is most often the population that chooses it. And if the population is led by populists, liars, or religious fanatics, for example, the result is expected! All these "rulers" have the same goal - self-enrichment, at the expense of gullible and not very smart voters. So the question should be rephrased as "why do we elect an incompetent lying corrupt government, and why do we repeatedly fall for their lies and manipulations". When we answer this question to ourselves, we will get answers - how to avoid future problems.

You are absolutely correct, we always make the mistake of electing the wrong one to be our leader even when we know that they are not good, we will still go ahead and elect them, later on, we will start complaining on how we are being treated bad or they will neglect us and care about their selfish desires and want. So that is why it's very good to elect the right person and not the wrong one and we shouldn't depend on the government for anything before we can survive.

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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2024, 08:04:09 PM »
Today in our society,  bad governance can lead to economic crises and make the cost of living very hard for the citizens, in a democratic society, citizens have their rights to vote for who they want for the betterment of the society,  but we still have corruption which affects the elections negatively.
What are the solutions to solve these problems associated with bad government and poor economic conditions?
Shear your ideas and opinions  ...

Voting for the right people is still the only solution. There is so much fake news and deceit during the election period, and the only way to do it is to have discerning minds to hear every candidate. Once we vote for the right people in office, that's the only way to eradicate corruption that harms the economy.
Corruption is what ruins the economy of a country, and the right people in the office are what build a great nation.
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Re: Bad governance is a major factor affecting the economy .
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2024, 05:35:30 AM »
Today in our society,  bad governance can lead to economic crises and make the cost of living very hard for the citizens, in a democratic society, citizens have their rights to vote for who they want for the betterment of the society,  but we still have corruption which affects the elections negatively.
What are the solutions to solve these problems associated with bad government and poor economic conditions?
Shear your ideas and opinions  ...

Voting for the right people is still the only solution. There is so much fake news and deceit during the election period, and the only way to do it is to have discerning minds to hear every candidate. Once we vote for the right people in office, that's the only way to eradicate corruption that harms the economy.
Corruption is what ruins the economy of a country, and the right people in the office are what build a great nation.

That's completely true, assuming we are being given the right to fair and free election, I don't think this corruption will be this high and all our economy won't be affecting us badly, even if we are to suffer and work for our own self, it won't be this much because our leaders will help us in so many ways like providing enough job opportunities for people who wants to be useful with their lives, also provide them some free skill acquisition etc, this can help most of the citizen and won't make them to involved themselves in any illegal activities.

 

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