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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #120 on: June 10, 2024, 05:31:41 PM »

It is true that the facts say that if you refuse, you will be purged and not given room to develop, I don't know why this is the case with the top officials, even though gambling is very dangerous for the younger generation and the economy of a family if it is addicted.
That's to tell you that the government are more interested in their personal interest and care less about how the affairs of the country affects the general public. That is why the trace of corruption will always be found in every country's society, for some countries, the rate of corruption can be minimal and for some, it can be much, but whether more or less, every government has what it takes to completely eradicate corruption in within their jurisdiction, but they only choose which to eradicate and which not to, depending on how they are able to benefit from them.
Do you think that the government care about you to the extend of preventing some calamities from be falling on you. The government are like the casinos that are out for business and only cares about what they will get in return. This is why you see that they are so corrupt to the point that they don't care about what happens to the common man on the street. Gambling is a business, and it also have its own benefits but it is just that the consequences is higher than the benefits, because you can get addicted easiky. The government that frown against gambling are the Islamic countries, apart from them all government are happy to get big funds from casino, and don't care how gambling is affecting the citizens and the society at large.

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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #120 on: June 10, 2024, 05:31:41 PM »

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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #121 on: June 10, 2024, 06:16:51 PM »
There are countries that bans gambling such as Muslim countries. It works for them but there are still gambling there at least regular people will not play publicly.

Same for some states in US. Chinese has to travel to Hongkong or Macau to gamble.

Chinese may need to go to Hongkong for casino play.

Not every US state has casino play.

But a deck of playing cards are available most everywhere. So you just play cards in a home amongst friends.
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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #121 on: June 10, 2024, 06:16:51 PM »

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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #122 on: June 10, 2024, 06:59:45 PM »
There are countries that bans gambling such as Muslim countries. It works for them but there are still gambling there at least regular people will not play publicly.
Same for some states in US. Chinese has to travel to Hongkong or Macau to gamble.
Chinese may need to go to Hongkong for casino play.
Not every US state has casino play.
But a deck of playing cards are available most everywhere. So you just play cards in a home amongst friends.
No country can eradicate gambling automatically and the matter the restriction is in the country gamblers will look for a way to gamble. And it comes to tht stage there will be a gambling site that will not have a gambling domain but other normal name but the content will be a gambling. Then social media platforms can also launched gambling. And mostly telegram. Banning of gambling activities have been implemented in my local community yet boys were gambling. And if you arrest them, they would tell you that gambling gave them money and you that have put the law have not given them anything so what is the need. So those laws have no water tight implementation.

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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #123 on: June 11, 2024, 01:16:27 PM »
They're just preventing something bigger, it seems, because if you want to eliminate it then it's something that's not easy to do.

Some facts are even surprising, where the government prohibits gambling in a country, but there are individuals who have power who can directly collaborate with gambling owners. I think things like this are also complicated, because on the one hand the government prohibits it, but on the other hand there are individuals who play and seek personal gain.

That's correct, there are always people who benefit and it's a business, and in all these types of things there's always money, so in this order of ideas things can be seen like this, also in governments there are always inflows of money that come from other places that are suspicious, and in this case everything that has to do with games of chance there is always money there and a lot of it, currently in my country the government enjoys very large inflows of money from physical casinos, as they were prohibited now the business is Lucrative enough so that they can continue opening the doors to these businesses, but with such great conditions.
If the government can manage it very well and with strict and good regulations, then the government can be said to be able to manage it very well. Because they will definitely find a lot of rejection, because in reality not everyone agrees with gambling.

However, it is not easy to ensure that all parties are not harmed, the challenge is that it comes from rejection, especially when rejection comes from a majority vote.

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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #124 on: June 11, 2024, 04:55:52 PM »
No country can eradicate gambling automatically and the matter the restriction is in the country gamblers will look for a way to gamble.

This is not true. There are countries that have strong laws against gambling and the citizens too can't gamble. The gambling policy is so strong that even with a VPN you cannot have access to any gambling site. Even in some countries where its national laws accepts gambling activity, some States in that country still prohibits gambling. What it means is that as long as you are in that State you are restricted from gambling.

And if you arrest them, they would tell you that gambling gave them money and you that have put the law have not given them anything so what is the need. So those laws have no water tight implementation.

Ideally, no individual is above the law. Where there is a strong law against gambling, the youths cannot gamble. The reason is simple, the youths are not stronger than the State apparatus which simply tells us that your argument would not hold water where the law against gambling is strong because the moment some youths are apprehended, others will desist.
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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #125 on: June 12, 2024, 03:28:55 PM »
It is true that the facts say that if you refuse, you will be purged and not given room to develop, I don't know why this is the case with the top officials, even though gambling is very dangerous for the younger generation and the economy of a family if it is addicted.
I think it is all about money because revenue in gambling especially tax and not to mention the "under the table" thing is huge. Regulators don't actually care about gamblers and laws they implemented because if they do then why gambling ads are rampant and are indicriminately posted on social media where there are a lot of minors viewing it every single day without them knowing? It even existed on televisions here in my country. I started to see regulators being hypocrite this time because Money really matters to them as they are not prioritizing the safety of the people. I agree that some of us might argue that gambling should only be strictly regulated but not banned.
If they do care, don't you know that the casinos will not be able to make huge amount of profit and also give the government huge tax. It will be bad business for both the casinos and the government, and this is why the government don't care if the casinos are being regulated or not. It is sad to see that no one cares about the damage gambling is doing the the younger ones, but only care about getting money from casinos.
Well you have the point as well and unfortunately that is reality right now as the government makes huge amount of money despite minors are trying to get into the trend. Every single day it is just a normal day for these people as their purses are getting thicker but gamblers are getting poorer and poorer which also causes chaos to the society because of the fact that they cannot sustain their urge to gamble just like the way rich people do so that is why they commit crimes which will repeat itself over and over again.
A common problem is playing like the rich, I have always said Something , if a person wants to excel and do things very well he has to make some sacrifices, some people who are already rich have their way of playing and doing things ,  a person who is poor or who does not have the same resources will always find it Difficult to do things like the rich, the opportunities are not the Same and if he tries to do something like a rich person and loses, well, the consequences will be very catastrophic, that is why in the game we always talk about Self-control but I believe that true control comes in the management of Money.
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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #126 on: June 22, 2024, 04:54:33 PM »
A common problem is playing like the rich, I have always said Something , if a person wants to excel and do things very well he has to make some sacrifices, some people who are already rich have their way of playing and doing things ,  a person who is poor or who does not have the same resources will always find it Difficult to do things like the rich, the opportunities are not the Same and if he tries to do something like a rich person and loses, well, the consequences will be very catastrophic, that is why in the game we always talk about Self-control but I believe that true control comes in the management of Money.
In my understanding, sacrifice is something that is dear to someone. I don't think it is ideal for a poor person to take any form of sacrifice in gambling. By this I mean trying to gamble above his finance. It is important for a poor gambler not to try to gamble like the rich like you said but the true is that a poor person cannot gamble like the rich because the rich has more resources than the poor gambler but sometimes the poor shoulders more risk regardless of the fact that a rich person places higher stakes.

For instance, if a poor gambler have $100 and then use $60 to gamble it means he is gambling above 50% of his income which is very wrong and then we have a rich gambler who worths $100000 and then uses $1000 to gamble. Literally, the rich gambler staked a higher amount but that amount is not even up to 20% of his income which means the poor gambler is spending more on gambling and such poor gambler will continue to languish in poverty.
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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #126 on: June 22, 2024, 04:54:33 PM »


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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #127 on: June 22, 2024, 05:52:32 PM »
There are countries that bans gambling such as Muslim countries. It works for them but there are still gambling there at least regular people will not play publicly.

Same for some states in US. Chinese has to travel to Hongkong or Macau to gamble.

Chinese may need to go to Hongkong for casino play.

Not every US state has casino play.

But a deck of playing cards are available most everywhere. So you just play cards in a home amongst friends.
Haha exactly card games is the most common or the most popular gambling anywhere in the world except for those countries that really ban it but yeah you can play with your family members, friends and relatives with it for fun anytime anywhere. Here in my place card games is illegal but my neighbors used to play with it inside their houses so they can lock doors incase there is a raid and pretend to just having a good time with friends with food and drinks.

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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #128 on: June 23, 2024, 05:51:22 AM »
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But a deck of playing cards are available most everywhere. So you just play cards in a home amongst friends.
Aside from cards, there's coins that we can use to gamble as well. I mean the regular coins that we are using to pay anything. 2 coins. Pick between 2 tails or 2 heads.

Aside from coins, we also used spiders to make some bets. We pick spiders on our forest and use them to fight each other. Heck, we even use rocks. That's in our early days of our lives and even I just remembered it all when I saw this post. Completely not related to the topic, but it's good to share some of our experiences sometimes. :)

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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #129 on: June 23, 2024, 10:05:43 AM »

It is true that the facts say that if you refuse, you will be purged and not given room to develop, I don't know why this is the case with the top officials, even though gambling is very dangerous for the younger generation and the economy of a family if it is addicted.
That's to tell you that the government are more interested in their personal interest and care less about how the affairs of the country affects the general public. That is why the trace of corruption will always be found in every country's society, for some countries, the rate of corruption can be minimal and for some, it can be much, but whether more or less, every government has what it takes to completely eradicate corruption in within their jurisdiction, but they only choose which to eradicate and which not to, depending on how they are able to benefit from them.
Do you think that the government care about you to the extend of preventing some calamities from be falling on you. The government are like the casinos that are out for business and only cares about what they will get in return. This is why you see that they are so corrupt to the point that they don't care about what happens to the common man on the street. Gambling is a business, and it also have its own benefits but it is just that the consequences is higher than the benefits, because you can get addicted easiky. The government that frown against gambling are the Islamic countries, apart from them all government are happy to get big funds from casino, and don't care how gambling is affecting the citizens and the society at large.

It will be wrong to generalize that government don't care about the people. Some countries have actually prohibited gambling because it has resulted in gambling related crime. Such government sees that gambling is creating problems for individuals which has created disturbance in their polity and so rendered it illegal to safeguard citizens.

However, due to corrupt officials in government as you noted and the gains they get from the bookies through payment of tax and other royalties, government in some countries have paid deaf ears to the crime occasioned by gambling but that notwithstanding gamblers should learn to gamble responsibly so people don't have to wait on government to ban gambling before they live a good life.

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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #130 on: June 23, 2024, 10:24:04 AM »

It is true that the facts say that if you refuse, you will be purged and not given room to develop, I don't know why this is the case with the top officials, even though gambling is very dangerous for the younger generation and the economy of a family if it is addicted.
That's to tell you that the government are more interested in their personal interest and care less about how the affairs of the country affects the general public. That is why the trace of corruption will always be found in every country's society, for some countries, the rate of corruption can be minimal and for some, it can be much, but whether more or less, every government has what it takes to completely eradicate corruption in within their jurisdiction, but they only choose which to eradicate and which not to, depending on how they are able to benefit from them.
Do you think that the government care about you to the extend of preventing some calamities from be falling on you. The government are like the casinos that are out for business and only cares about what they will get in return. This is why you see that they are so corrupt to the point that they don't care about what happens to the common man on the street. Gambling is a business, and it also have its own benefits but it is just that the consequences is higher than the benefits, because you can get addicted easiky. The government that frown against gambling are the Islamic countries, apart from them all government are happy to get big funds from casino, and don't care how gambling is affecting the citizens and the society at large.

It will be wrong to generalize that government don't care about the people. Some countries have actually prohibited gambling because it has resulted in gambling related crime. Such government sees that gambling is creating problems for individuals which has created disturbance in their polity and so rendered it illegal to safeguard citizens.

However, due to corrupt officials in government as you noted and the gains they get from the bookies through payment of tax and other royalties, government in some countries have paid deaf ears to the crime occasioned by gambling but that notwithstanding gamblers should learn to gamble responsibly so people don't have to wait on government to ban gambling before they live a good life.

I understand your argument but from my personal experience I have realized that government don't make policies or take actions that is not beneficial to them whether directly or indirectly. So, even the countries you feel placed banned on gambling may actually not be because the some citizens are gambling uncontrollably but maybe they are only trying to safeguard their administration or maybe trying to punish a particular enemy who owns a gambling site. My take though.
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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #131 on: June 25, 2024, 07:30:48 PM »
I understand your argument but from my personal experience I have realized that government don't make policies or take actions that is not beneficial to them whether directly or indirectly. So, even the countries you feel placed banned on gambling may actually not be because the some citizens are gambling uncontrollably but maybe they are only trying to safeguard their administration or maybe trying to punish a particular enemy who owns a gambling site. My take though.

I understand you but then I am forced to ask certain questions. Do such policies have a positive impact on citizens' lives? Have such policies restored sanity in these countries? As long as a country's government prohibits gambling and reduces gambling-related crimes, such a policy is good, regardless of its political undertone.

In some cases, the government has made citizens' lives easier in order to achieve selfish goals. An analogy will suffice. A government official who intends to tile a road to his home would also make life easier for residents in the area. As a result, by attempting to make himself comfortable, he makes life easier for those who live on the same street as him.
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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #132 on: June 25, 2024, 08:21:09 PM »

It is true that the facts say that if you refuse, you will be purged and not given room to develop, I don't know why this is the case with the top officials, even though gambling is very dangerous for the younger generation and the economy of a family if it is addicted.
That's to tell you that the government are more interested in their personal interest and care less about how the affairs of the country affects the general public. That is why the trace of corruption will always be found in every country's society, for some countries, the rate of corruption can be minimal and for some, it can be much, but whether more or less, every government has what it takes to completely eradicate corruption in within their jurisdiction, but they only choose which to eradicate and which not to, depending on how they are able to benefit from them.
Do you think that the government care about you to the extend of preventing some calamities from be falling on you. The government are like the casinos that are out for business and only cares about what they will get in return. This is why you see that they are so corrupt to the point that they don't care about what happens to the common man on the street. Gambling is a business, and it also have its own benefits but it is just that the consequences is higher than the benefits, because you can get addicted easiky. The government that frown against gambling are the Islamic countries, apart from them all government are happy to get big funds from casino, and don't care how gambling is affecting the citizens and the society at large.
Every country's government expenditure has increased and on the other hand inflation has created more problems there. Governments of most countries now need money. They are giving utmost importance to increase their revenue. As a result they are thinking how to collect more revenue from new places. And considering this issue, the government has paid special attention to gambling platforms. Now gambling is considered as the industry where governments are profiting from now and will profit more in the future. While gambling has been banned in some countries, it is now legalized in most countries. So it is no longer possible to eliminate gambling rather its amount will increase many times than before.

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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #133 on: June 28, 2024, 12:00:43 PM »

Actually, based on the level gambling is going these days, on my own opinion, it should be banned. Reason being is, Student in college are no longer focus in studying because of gambling. Children below 18 years, under age are involve in gambling, and it's lead to them, stealing their parents money for gambling. It has disintegrate families and relationships in the society, so to me the disadvantage of gambling in the society is more than the advantage it gives to the society,based on that,it should be banned that's my opinion.

Banning gambling  isn't the best option to tackle this matter, the best way is for gambling platforms to start requiring KYC before anyone is allow to gamble. It's obvious children below the age of 18 is gambling on online casino and bet platforms. Gambling has its way of influencing the bettor mentally and it takes only the discipline ones to gamble without getting addicted or even making any irresponsible action because of the urge to gamble. The minds of children are not yet mature enough to start getting exposed to gambling or even making any responsible life decision except being backed up by their guardian. KYC is important and I think casinos should start giving it consideration.
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Re: should gambling be completely banned?
« Reply #134 on: June 28, 2024, 12:32:16 PM »

Actually, based on the level gambling is going these days, on my own opinion, it should be banned. Reason being is, Student in college are no longer focus in studying because of gambling. Children below 18 years, under age are involve in gambling, and it's lead to them, stealing their parents money for gambling. It has disintegrate families and relationships in the society, so to me the disadvantage of gambling in the society is more than the advantage it gives to the society,based on that,it should be banned that's my opinion.

Banning gambling  isn't the best option to tackle this matter, the best way is for gambling platforms to start requiring KYC before anyone is allow to gamble. It's obvious children below the age of 18 is gambling on online casino and bet platforms. Gambling has its way of influencing the bettor mentally and it takes only the discipline ones to gamble without getting addicted or even making any irresponsible action because of the urge to gamble. The minds of children are not yet mature enough to start getting exposed to gambling or even making any responsible life decision except being backed up by their guardian. KYC is important and I think casinos should start giving it consideration.

KYC wont help in this case. Numerous fake IDs and ID market killed KYC effectivity long time ago. And since we are in digital era, underaged can create another account and continue gambling. Gambling and underaged problem is not as big as it is described. Kids have still plenty of things to discover and try, compared with adults, that they wont focus on gambling only. Moreover, kids gambling career ends when they run out of money. They must put some effort to get a loan (as they have little to give as collateral) and spoil their lives.
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