Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic

[Baofeng]

^ AJ finally have the chance to fight Fury in case Fury wins in the rematch.  if its Usyk who wins, it will be their 3rd fight. lucky him to get all these chances.

for me there is really no reason for Usyk and Fury rematch, the fight clearly is won by Usyk by wide margin and even a KO if not stopped by the ref. if there is a reason to fight over again, it should be to take the IBF belt.   which means  Fury should first fight AJ to win the IBF belt and then the awaited rematch Fury vs Usyk 2.

The hype is not very huge in case Fury and Joshua fight directly for the IBF belt and besides i do think that IBF would strip the belt away from Usyk. It will be good if Joshua will just wait if Fury will win in the rematch as people will be excited on that one.

The hype could be there as it will be a all British showdown, but it might not like before when Fury hasn't lost to Usyk yet. He can trash talk the hell out of Joshua and tell him that a CW beat him twice. Now he can't unless he wins in the rematch. But then again, I was thinking that there could be 3rd fight if Fury by a long shot win in the second fight.

And so it will be very messy are there are a lot of mandatory waiting in the wing. But most likely whoever wins in the second fight, he could be strip as obviously, he can't defend all the belts.

[pawel7777]

OK, we have a date for the rematch. It will take place just before Christmas, on 21st December:
https://talksport.com/sport/1899340/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-new-rematch-date-confirmed/
credit to JollyGood for posting this on BTT

Usyk almost definitely will not be stripped before 2nd June, but that's not to say the IBF cannot do it after that date.
Given the rematch is scheduled 2 months later than initially indicated, any potential mandatory defense will not take place until around a year from now at the earliest. I find it hard to believe the IBF will grant the exception and postpone the defense for that long, as it would be unfair to the challengers. Plus, there's no guarantee the winner of the rematch will be interested in defending that belt at all.
I expect there will be no interim belt on the line on Saturday and Usyk to be stripped after the 2nd of June. Then the fight between Hrgovic/Dubois and Anthony Joshua would be for the proper belt (not the interim one).
I don't see much sense in introducing an interim belt given Usyk is not seriously injured and would be ready to fight if he wanted to.

[Rruchi man]

OK, we have a date for the rematch. It will take place just before Christmas, on 21st December:

The fight was very entertaining, I need to see them fight again, and I am happy that their contract had a rematch clause.
Fury has to train like hell, because this fight will be on record even if there are no belts on the line. We were the fans and are witnessing this history. We already know that Usyk dealt a big surprise to Fury in the first fight; it will not be a surprise in the rematch if Usyk wins again because then it will signal an end to the career of Fury. I expect the rematch to be more entertaining than the first.

[Baofeng]

OK, we have a date for the rematch. It will take place just before Christmas, on 21st December:
https://talksport.com/sport/1899340/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-new-rematch-date-confirmed/
credit to JollyGood for posting this on BTT

Usyk almost definitely will not be stripped before 2nd June, but that's not to say the IBF cannot do it after that date.
Given the rematch is scheduled 2 months later than initially indicated, any potential mandatory defense will not take place until around a year from now at the earliest. I find it hard to believe the IBF will grant the exception and postpone the defense for that long, as it would be unfair to the challengers. Plus, there's no guarantee the winner of the rematch will be interested in defending that belt at all.
I expect there will be no interim belt on the line on Saturday and Usyk to be stripped after the 2nd of June. Then the fight between Hrgovic/Dubois and Anthony Joshua would be for the proper belt (not the interim one).
I don't see much sense in introducing an interim belt given Usyk is not seriously injured and would be ready to fight if he wanted to.

Or they can call the fight between Hrgovic vs Dubois as a title eliminator for the IBF belt, or they can call it interim fight, but it doesn't matter because Usyk is still universally recognized as the champion. What Hrgovic vs Dubois is fighting is just a paper title, nothing more nothing less.

Everything is still up for the Fury vs Usyk rematch this December as all the belts is on the line. And everyone should wait for the outcome, although they can have a schedule fight like Zhang vs Wilder or this fight, Hrgovic vs Dubois. All roads to the winner of Fury vs Usyk.

[JoyMarsha]

OK, we have a date for the rematch. It will take place just before Christmas, on 21st December:

The fight was very entertaining, I need to see them fight again, and I am happy that their contract had a rematch clause.
Fury has to train like hell, because this fight will be on record even if there are no belts on the line. We were the fans and are witnessing this history. We already know that Usyk dealt a big surprise to Fury in the first fight; it will not be a surprise in the rematch if Usyk wins again because then it will signal an end to the career of Fury. I expect the rematch to be more entertaining than the first.

I anticipate the rematch to be entertaining of course as both fighters will have themselves train and prepare for the rematch(six months for that).

The rematch will speak volumes to whoever wins this time as to be the Goat of boxing. It's gonna be a tight one to decide who wins the rematch. I just hope Fury gets to prove himself by December than dangling to Usyk's heavy blows

[robelneo]

I think it is time to lock this thread and open a new discussion on their rematch even if it is still seven months it's worth discussing as many speculations, news, rumours and changes that are going to happen and we can have a continuation of the conversation on a new thread OP can start a new one after he lock this thread.

[pawel7777]

I think it is time to lock this thread and open a new discussion on their rematch even if it is still seven months it's worth discussing as many speculations, news, rumours and changes that are going to happen and we can have a continuation of the conversation on a new thread OP can start a new one after he lock this thread.

I'm not a fan of locking threads unless there's a good reason for that. I might create a new one closer to the fight date, unless someone else beats me to it, but will keep this one open, in case anyone still wants to add anything, respond to any recent development, or make an "I told you so" post etc. etc. If not, it'll just die a natural death, which is the way it should be.

[Baofeng]

Regarding the Hrgovic vs Dubois, it which Dubois won

The International Boxing Federation [IBF] has made it official, confirming that Daniel Dubois (21-2, 20 KOs) is mandatory for Oleksandr Usyk’s IBF heavyweight title with their organization after Dubois’ eighth-round technical knockout win last Saturday night at the Kingdom Arena in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

While Dubois is now the IBF interim heavyweight champion, he’s negotiating a fight against Anthony Joshua for September 21st at Wembley Stadium in London, England.

(https://www.boxingnews24.com/2024/06/ibf-declares-dubois-mandatory-challenger-for-usyks-heavyweight-title/)

So I think that answers our questions already, because initially we don't know if this fight is for the interim belt or not, or will Usyk be stripped of his IBF belt. In this rematch, it will still be all the belts on the line and that is good news for Fury.

[pawel7777]

So they did put the interim IBF on the line in the last moment after all. I didn't know that.

I honestly don't know if that would mean that Usyk is more likely to get stripped or not.
Dubois is already contracted to fight AJ in late September, so even if Usyk decided he is willing to defend his belt before the rematch with Fury, the fight won't happen anyway.
So probably the IBF will allow him to keep it, and the September fight Dubois Vs AJ will be for an interim belt. A situation when an interim champ is defending his belt against other fighters, while the original champ is not injured is a bit odd, but hey.

[Baofeng]

So they did put the interim IBF on the line in the last moment after all. I didn't know that.

Yes, they did put in at the last minute, and I think it's good though, so that they can have a interim champion.

I honestly don't know if that would mean that Usyk is more likely to get stripped or not.
Dubois is already contracted to fight AJ in late September, so even if Usyk decided he is willing to defend his belt before the rematch with Fury, the fight won't happen anyway.
So probably the IBF will allow him to keep it, and the September fight Dubois Vs AJ will be for an interim belt. A situation when an interim champ is defending his belt against other fighters, while the original champ is not injured is a bit odd, but hey.

I don't think he will be stripped though, they will make it a unification fight still between Usyk and Fury. But after that, it could be a different story. I reckon the winner should defend at least the IBF belt to the interim champion. If the winner can't defend it, then they should relegated the interim champion to the regular champion.

And that's why it's really hard to keep all this belts and either the unified champion vacant or being stripped by the governing body.

[pawel7777]

I don't think he will be stripped though, they will make it a unification fight still between Usyk and Fury. But after that, it could be a different story. I reckon the winner should defend at least the IBF belt to the interim champion. If the winner can't defend it, then they should relegated the interim champion to the regular champion.

Maybe he won't get stripped, but the purpose of interim belts was always to act as a replacement for when the original champ is unable to fight. But, if the IBF decides not to take it away from Usyk, we'll have a situation where we'll have 2 IBF title defences in parallel, one for the normal belt, and one for the interim one. So that would be quite a departure from what you'd normally expect to see.

And if Usyk wins the rematch with Fury, I have my doubts if he'll be interested in fighting the winner of Dubois Vs AJ, as he already fought both of them fairly recently (AJ twice). If Fury comes on the top in the rematch, a fight between him and Joshua (if he wins as well) would be a big one and long overdue.

[electronicash]

not sure if there will still be a rematch between the two. but Fury Fury wasn't handling the loss well. and just like Ryan, he was also drinking heavily, just today i saw this post about him got shitfaced and was escorted out the pub.

https://x.com/HappyPunch/status/1800323344123736118

after all the money he won, he is still just like the rest of the fighters who lost a fight and left with broken spirit. someone should stop him from reading comments on the internet 

[Rruchi man]

not sure if there will still be a rematch between the two. but Fury Fury wasn't handling the loss well. and just like Ryan, he was also drinking heavily, just today i saw this post about him got shitfaced and was escorted out the pub.

https://x.com/HappyPunch/status/1800323344123736118

after all the money he won, he is still just like the rest of the fighters who lost a fight and left with broken spirit. someone should stop him from reading comments on the internet 

lt was quite embarrassing to see someone of his status very drunk and even struggling to be on his feet. Although some people may argue that pubs and drinking experts of the British culture but seeing him drunk just after it defeat in a very important fight shows that he has not shaking off and accepted the result from the last fight.

I understand that he is a fighter who is not used to many defeats and this is quite new for him but considering his rematch, if he does not get over the loss quickly and start preparing strictly for that fight he would lose again and become even more depressed.

[pawel7777]

not sure if there will still be a rematch between the two. but Fury Fury wasn't handling the loss well. and just like Ryan, he was also drinking heavily, just today i saw this post about him got shitfaced and was escorted out the pub.

https://x.com/HappyPunch/status/1800323344123736118

after all the money he won, he is still just like the rest of the fighters who lost a fight and left with broken spirit. someone should stop him from reading comments on the internet 

Not a great sign, especially knowing he was in some dark places before during his career, but hopefully that was just a one-off thing and he's not going to turn into a degenerate alcoholic.
But there's no way that loss didn't make a mark on his mentality. He was taking way too much pride in having the undefeated status, and now that's gone.

[LogitechMouse]

not sure if there will still be a rematch between the two. but Fury Fury wasn't handling the loss well. and just like Ryan, he was also drinking heavily, just today i saw this post about him got shitfaced and was escorted out the pub.

https://x.com/HappyPunch/status/1800323344123736118

after all the money he won, he is still just like the rest of the fighters who lost a fight and left with broken spirit. someone should stop him from reading comments on the internet 

A complete disappointment indeed coming from him.
Well, can't blame him though because he just got his first ever loss in his professional career. I mean there are people who are handling their first loss differently, but there are some who are doing what Fury just did in the video.

Anyway, I don't think that this will affect him, and he will pursue that rematch because after all, he wants a revenge against Usyk. Fighters can fell their spirit broken because they're human after all. It's a human nature. What matters now is how he can recover from this one, and his first loss.