Will there be war in US soil as Russia sends naval ships to Cuba?

[electronicash]

Three Russian Navy ships and a nuclear-powered submarine will arrive at the Port of Havana for an official visit next week, the Cuban armed forces said in a statement Thursday, confirming the military exercises first disclosed by U.S. officials on Wednesday.

The Cuban Revolutionary Armed Forces said the Russian missile frigate Admiral Gorshkov, the nuclear sub Kazan, the oil tanker Pashin and the salvage tug Nikolai Chiker will arrive on June 12 and stay for a week.

this is the kind of gamble that makes this wars more dangerous especially when the wars are not to be fought by infantry anymore but the massive firepower that can wipe out a city in one shot. i'd be surprise if US will not do something since this is happening very close to them.

Is the Cuban Missile Crisis happening once again as Russia about to dock on Cuba's shore?
Will there be war right there and that Russia drags Cuba in this conflict?

sources:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article289062299.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/06/americas/cuba-russian-ships-submarine-visit-intl-latam/index.html

[DrBeer]

Three Russian Navy ships and a nuclear-powered submarine will arrive at the Port of Havana for an official visit next week, the Cuban armed forces said in a statement Thursday, confirming the military exercises first disclosed by U.S. officials on Wednesday.

The Cuban Revolutionary Armed Forces said the Russian missile frigate Admiral Gorshkov, the nuclear sub Kazan, the oil tanker Pashin and the salvage tug Nikolai Chiker will arrive on June 12 and stay for a week.

this is the kind of gamble that makes this wars more dangerous especially when the wars are not to be fought by infantry anymore but the massive firepower that can wipe out a city in one shot. i'd be surprise if US will not do something since this is happening very close to them.

Is the Cuban Missile Crisis happening once again as Russia about to dock on Cuba's shore?
Will there be war right there and that Russia drags Cuba in this conflict?

sources:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article289062299.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/06/americas/cuba-russian-ships-submarine-visit-intl-latam/index.html

I don't know if I can get the point across correctly in English, but the behavior of the Kremlin gang is that of a “ thug”. In Russian it sounds like “gopnik” and it is not the same as thug, but it is also mean and cowardly.

What is the peculiarity of this behavior ?  “Gopnik” as if “tests” the reaction of his “victim”. And the status of “victim” will be obtained only if all his “tests” are successful. So this is what a “gopnik” does: when he meets someone whom he wants to harm, he tries to make a small intimidating step. If the potential “victim” does not fight back and makes concessions, the “gopnik” raises the level of threat and the next “test”. 
And so on the spiral, increasing the threat “gopnik” can actually force the “victim” to some actions favorable to the “gopnik”.

BUT ! As soon as the “gopnik” is rebuffed - he cowardly stops his attempts, and usually retreats.

And this we have already seen in the last couple of years. For example, Putin and his gang in 2022 warned the whole West not to help Ukraine, otherwise “nuclear ashes are waiting for you in Europe”. Europe got scared. The U.S. got scared. Ukraine was not afraid, and “gave a kick in the teeth” to the enemy - “gopnik” which surpassed Ukraine in everything ! And Russia had to flee, change its rhetoric, and invent new false “justifications” for its aggression. If you listen to the rhetoric of the Kremlin terrorists - they have already tried many times to “test” the Western world with their scarecrows, first of all with economic terror, and then with nuclear terror. This is exactly the same attempt to “try another test”, since the EU, for example, has responded to economic terror quite harshly, actually refusing gas (a weapon of economic terror) and imposing a huge number of sanctions. Threats to “strike Ukraine and Europe with nuclear weapons”, in case of financial and technical assistance to Ukraine, every week “redrawing ‘red lines’”. This also did not work. Now they are trying to show about the alleged repetition of the Caribbean crisis, without fulfilling any of their previous threats. This is all “shaking their nuclear heads”, trying to frighten the Western world once again, realizing that the prospects of a terrorist war in Ukraine are very negative for Russia.

...Half a year ago, the Kremlin terrorists VOWED to strike the countries whose weapons would be used against Russian-terrorist troops, first on the territory of Ukraine (the threat did not work), and then for the use of weapons of third countries, on the territory of Russia, on the groups of its terrorist troops. As you know - Ukraine has already started destroying bases and groups on Russian territory, which instantly stopped the massive daily shelling of the peaceful city of Kharkov.

Bottom line: this is one of the last “trump cards” of the Kremlin regime, which realizes that its finale will be sad, and may repeat the finale of the Nazi regime. True, these “trump cards” are fake

[0t3p0t]

That could be a threat but port visit is just a normal thing to navies around the world not unless the US intercepts encrypted messages on the oppositions where they are going to start a war on the door steps of nuclear powered America. No one really can afford to go to war with each other right now as we all know they do have internal and external issues they gotta fix. There is this famous phrase I like that says: "Don't start a war if you cannot afford it."

[electronicash]

That could be a threat but port visit is just a normal thing to navies around the world not unless the US intercepts encrypted messages on the oppositions where they are going to start a war on the door steps of nuclear powered America. No one really can afford to go to war with each other right now as we all know they do have internal and external issues they gotta fix. There is this famous phrase I like that says: "Don't start a war if you cannot afford it."

looks like Putin can afford it. he did seized US assets in Russia so that's something and their economy isn't that much of affected since they are not using USD anymore.

i don't see this visit to Cuba as normal since they just declared US as enemy.  US been worried about China and all other navies exercising freedom of navigation in South China sea and on Red sea, why would they not worry on Russia fleet just outside their doorstep with nuclear capable sub?  some say this is one of the reason why BTC dumped.

[DrBeer]

That could be a threat but port visit is just a normal thing to navies around the world not unless the US intercepts encrypted messages on the oppositions where they are going to start a war on the door steps of nuclear powered America. No one really can afford to go to war with each other right now as we all know they do have internal and external issues they gotta fix. There is this famous phrase I like that says: "Don't start a war if you cannot afford it."

looks like Putin can afford it. he did seized US assets in Russia so that's something and their economy isn't that much of affected since they are not using USD anymore.

i don't see this visit to Cuba as normal since they just declared US as enemy.  US been worried about China and all other navies exercising freedom of navigation in South China sea and on Red sea, why would they not worry on Russia fleet just outside their doorstep with nuclear capable sub?  some say this is one of the reason why BTC dumped.

Tell me - where do you get such, to put it mildly dubious information ?
Neither Putin nor the terrorist country of Russia has confiscated any assets.  Only a couple of weeks ago “Russian ruler Vladimir Putin issued a decree launching a mechanism of confiscation of US assets, US citizens and residents in exchange for confiscated Russian assets.”, i.e. they just invented a mechanism, not of seizure but of exchange of their assets. But... It should be understood that the balance of assets is not in Russia's favor. Russia, which “fights the West and the dollar”, has been actively exporting its assets stolen by the party of lies and theft. All assets of the Kremlin's top brass are also outside of Russia, and certainly not in North Korea or Iran
Name what assets of the west are in russia ? Well, except for a few factories that western companies built in Russia, and a few banks that were not squeamish with dirty money ?

[0t3p0t]

That could be a threat but port visit is just a normal thing to navies around the world not unless the US intercepts encrypted messages on the oppositions where they are going to start a war on the door steps of nuclear powered America. No one really can afford to go to war with each other right now as we all know they do have internal and external issues they gotta fix. There is this famous phrase I like that says: "Don't start a war if you cannot afford it."

looks like Putin can afford it. he did seized US assets in Russia so that's something and their economy isn't that much of affected since they are not using USD anymore.

i don't see this visit to Cuba as normal since they just declared US as enemy.  US been worried about China and all other navies exercising freedom of navigation in South China sea and on Red sea, why would they not worry on Russia fleet just outside their doorstep with nuclear capable sub?  some say this is one of the reason why BTC dumped.

Trade war is ongoing that is a true disaster for a country's economy and I remember a famous chinese phrase from the art of war that says "Appear weak when you are strong and strong when you are weak." the reason why I am skeptical of war breaking out between the two countries or even with China and North Korea because they already know the consequences and the real war scenario like world war 3 I don't think so because the show of force we usually see on television is most likely just a very effective way to use as an intimidation tool or propaganda but to me personally Russia should atleast end the war against Ukraine because look how small that country is compared to Russia and they can't even finish what they have started I mean no one can really afford to go to war with the US because it is their business, every battleground they are in  is their free test grounds for new weapons. That is why no one dares to throw a fight against the US because if one does then they have to expect that their country would be the next battleground. 😅✌️ Though I am not anti Russia I love the Russian people I just don't like the idea of the invasion of Ukraine in short I personally don't like wars because innocent citizens were affected I wish President Putin will just give Ukrainians their independence as there is no winner in wars except for the businessmen who sell weapons.

[electronicash]

surprisingly its not just US who can seize money from every country they wanna sanction. but i guess i just wrote it wrong since its not US assets they seized but the assets of European banks. US seize Russia's assets though.

but now that they are in the coast  of Cuba, i guess its not so hard to believe they can do that anymore. quite an aggressive move of Putin. those navy can shoot missiles to US shore.

in military perspective, that's really a threat. in fact, US being the world police can already go to Cuba for this reason.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg66g0neweko
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/12/americas/russian-navy-cuba-intl/index.html

[DrBeer]

surprisingly its not just US who can seize money from every country they wanna sanction. but i guess i just wrote it wrong since its not US assets they seized but the assets of European banks. US seize Russia's assets though.

but now that they are in the coast  of Cuba, i guess its not so hard to believe they can do that anymore. quite an aggressive move of Putin. those navy can shoot missiles to US shore.

in military perspective, that's really a threat. in fact, US being the world police can already go to Cuba for this reason.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg66g0neweko
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/12/americas/russian-navy-cuba-intl/index.html

To talk about the “assets of European banks”, you should first remember how many European banks were in Russia before 2022, and what banks remained after 2022. Most of the banks, adhering to the sanctions rules, KIDNAPPED Russia. There are still those banks for whom “money doesn't smell” and who decided to violate international sanctions and try to play the game with the criminal. They were warned, but they made their choice. The final outcome is expected - by building relations with the criminal, you will sooner or later become his victim. So this will be a good lesson for these few banks

Russia's assets were frozen absolutely rightfully, in response to Russia's terrorist war in Ukraine and annexation of part of Ukraine's territory. This money will not be taken by the US, this money will be used to rebuild Ukraine, it is punishment of Russia for its crimes, which is quite legal.

And about “Russian exercises” - this is just an ordinary show, and an attempt to “intimidate” the U.S. with a possible escalation.... But this “scary move of Russia” is perfectly described by the folk saying: “scare the hedgehog with your bare ass”

[electronicash]

the assets US had seized were treasury bonds that allows Russia to hold USD. because of the seizing of these assets, now all countries are already thinking US may also seized their assets. and so the reason why they are all dedollarizing. the result is that US are now finding it hard to sell these bonds.

i guess the dedollarization is justified too as BRICS nations are all up to it. what Russia seized are Blackrock assets in Ukraine.

[DrBeer]

the assets US had seized were treasury bonds that allows Russia to hold USD. because of the seizing of these assets, now all countries are already thinking US may also seized their assets. and so the reason why they are all dedollarizing. the result is that US are now finding it hard to sell these bonds.

i guess the dedollarization is justified too as BRICS nations are all up to it. what Russia seized are Blackrock assets in Ukraine.

Let's go through the chronology:
since 2014, Russia has seized and taken (stolen) . Here is a list of UKRAINIAN assets, not blocked, but primitively stolen:

Luhansk Electromachinery Plant. Status: stolen for scrap metal, part of the equipment exported to Russia
Luhansk Machine-Building Plant (Luhansk Machine-Builder-43) Condition: destroyed, equipment taken to Russia.
Stakhanov Ferroalloy Plant Status: militants' base on the territory. Part of the equipment was taken to Russia, cut into scrap metal and melted down at the Alchevsk Iron and Steel Works;
Stakhanov Carriage Works Status: on the territory of militants' base, the equipment was taken to Russia.
Yasynuvata Machine-Building Plant Status: destroyed, equipment taken to Russia.
Topaz Holding Company Status: fortified area, militants' base, all equipment taken to Russia.
Lutuhyne Research and Production Rolling Plant Status: plant destroyed, equipment taken to Russia.
Luhansk Cartridge Plant Status: terrorists' equipment repair base, deployment point, all equipment taken to Russia.
Machine-building plant "100"[1] Status: 90% of the equipment has been taken to Russia, a militant base.
Yunist plant Krasnodon-Luhansk Status: militants' base, equipment completely removed to Russia.
Luhansk chemical and pharmaceutical plant[2] Status: the plant was destroyed, equipment was taken to Russia.
Luhansk plant of heat engineering equipment[3] Status: the plant was destroyed, the equipment was taken to Russia
Luhansk Automobile Valve Plant[4] Condition: stolen, cut into scrap metal
Luhansk Automobile Radiator Plant Condition: looted, cut into scrap metal
Khartsyzsk Machine-Building Plant Status: plant destroyed, equipment exported to Russia
"LugaTerm Condition: stolen for scrap metal, part of the equipment exported to Russia
Donets State Enterprise is known for its technology for growing crystals for the microelectronics industry. Status: exported to Russia;
Polypak enterprise Status: exported to Russia;
Marshal Plant Status: exported to Russia; the plant has a repair base and artillery parking lot;
Luhansk Pipe Rolling Plant Status: production has been halted, the plant is being cut for scrap metal;
Vtorchermet Plant Status: completely sawn up for scrap;
Bryansk Ore Repair Plant (in the town of Bryanka) Status: completely sawn up for scrap;
Chornukhino traction rolling stock depot (the so-called "car depot") Condition: cut up for scrap metal (including railcars and access roads);
Luhansk Foundry and Mechanical Plant Condition: cut into scrap metal
Rolled metal products plant "ProkatService" Condition: the plant was destroyed and the equipment was taken to Russia.
Autoclave plant Condition: stolen, cut into scrap metal
Luhansk Aircraft Repair Plant Status: taken to Russia.

And this is in addition to looted museums, banks, apartments and homes of Ukrainians....

Do you still think that the actions of the US and EU to block Russia's assets are unfair?

[electronicash]

Luhansk?
its the region where majority of the people are Russian speakers and they even want to join Russia because the Ukrainians are terrorizing them. i bet the list of companies still exist today and the people still works in those companies up to this date.

but this i guess if the NATO is successful in adding Ukraine as part of NATO, its the Russia that will be ruined just as they destroy the countries in the middle east. looted even the ancient remains.  and yet were talking fairness?  what about iraq and libya and the long list, what fairness?

[DrBeer]

Luhansk?
its the region where majority of the people are Russian speakers and they even want to join Russia because the Ukrainians are terrorizing them. i bet the list of companies still exist today and the people still works in those companies up to this date.

but this i guess if the NATO is successful in adding Ukraine as part of NATO, its the Russia that will be ruined just as they destroy the countries in the middle east. looted even the ancient remains.  and yet were talking fairness?  what about iraq and libya and the long list, what fairness?

 

Tell it to me, a citizen of Ukraine, who has seen the invasion and terrorism of Russia since 2014, and in 2022 I had a chance to fight in the south-east and see what the "Russian liberators" are doing .....

Yes, and for information - I live in Kiev, I am Russian by nationality, my native language is Russian. But... THIS IS UKRAINE and this is our Ukraine! In Ukraine there are no problems on national or linguistic grounds. And the use of any language in the population does not speak of the right of another country, where this language is the state language, to seize another country's territory where the language is spoken.

Let's put it this way - if in your house there are neighbors who speak Spanish, for example, does it mean that you have the right to occupy Spain and destroy you, because you do not speak Spanish? So don't broadcast the lies of Russian propaganda.

And at the same time I recommend to read the history of Lugansk and Lugansk region (as well as Donetsk, Zaporozhye, Kherson,...), how in 30-50 years of the last century, there was destroyed the local Ukrainian-speaking population, and forcibly assimilated by natives of depressed regions of the RSFSR (a republic in the USSR, which is now called Russia)!

" its the Russia that will be ruined just as they destroy the countries in the middle east. looted even the ancient remains. and yet were talking fairness? what about iraq and libya and the long list, what fairness?"
1. Rashism (a new kind of Nazism) must be finally destroyed, here I think no one will argue.
2. "destroy the countries in the middle east. looted even the ancient remains. and yet were talking fairness? what about iraq and libya and the long list, what fairness?"
Please give examples of "plundering" of "middle eastern countries" by US hands ? Only so that it can be verified, not propaganda materials
Iraq - should I remind you why Hussein's regime was destroyed ?
Libya - Libya itself says that it is Russia that is undermining the war there:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-09/tripoli-urges-u-s-to-help-end-war-as-russian-role-grows
And I will also remind Syria - do you want to remember who there sadistically destroys entire cities with thousands of civilians, target bombing hospitals, schools,...?  Did you selectively forget about Syria?

PS And about the factories and enterprises stolen from Ukraine - you somehow modestly avoided this topic, as if not noticing. I would like to hear your opinion ? Or is it not an interesting question ?

[electronicash]

jesus feel sorry for your country. its already destroyed while the west are just laughing. i don't know if you are aware how the leader of the free world look like.

have you not protested about them still sending weapons to Ukraine? because every time they do that, there are more destruction going on. they been worrying Trump have the rights of the nuke red button yet they don't worry the senile Biden. who doesn't even know where he's at.

[bitterguy28]

That could be a threat but port visit is just a normal thing to navies around the world not unless the US intercepts encrypted messages on the oppositions where they are going to start a war on the door steps of nuclear powered America. No one really can afford to go to war with each other right now as we all know they do have internal and external issues they gotta fix. There is this famous phrase I like that says: "Don't start a war if you cannot afford it."

But remember that Russia has sanctions mate and visiting with this big ships will send message to international community specially those who are familiar with how Russian attacks Ukraine.
and visiting Cuba that is near US is something the American gets the alarm .

For sure Russian can afford that war but the thing is How long and how big they can run from this? Ukraine is just a small country but up to now Russian forces is still not taking the whole country so what more USA? will they really be able to beat if war started? I doubt then can.

[0t3p0t]

That could be a threat but port visit is just a normal thing to navies around the world not unless the US intercepts encrypted messages on the oppositions where they are going to start a war on the door steps of nuclear powered America. No one really can afford to go to war with each other right now as we all know they do have internal and external issues they gotta fix. There is this famous phrase I like that says: "Don't start a war if you cannot afford it."

But remember that Russia has sanctions mate and visiting with this big ships will send message to international community specially those who are familiar with how Russian attacks Ukraine.
and visiting Cuba that is near US is something the American gets the alarm .

For sure Russian can afford that war but the thing is How long and how big they can run from this? Ukraine is just a small country but up to now Russian forces is still not taking the whole country so what more USA? will they really be able to beat if war started? I doubt then can.

Well for me media is the only one that is worried about a possible breakout of war and they are use to that even in other countries because media makes things exaggerated. We should also take propagandas into consideration as communist or dictatorial countries used to that for many decades. We all know how tough Russia and it's allies are but how about the US and it's allies? I am not pro or anti here but who do we think has an edge to win this war? We also know that these countries are into arms race since the end of world war 2 through advance technologies and that's where things are getting ugly as they are now proving who is really the super power and that being said their stupid decisions of going to war affects billions of innocent lives accross the world. So I think provocations and agressiveness won't make you a king but instead it will just annoy those who are around you. So I think the best way to do with rival countries here is to stay away from conflict and they should promote peace if they really care for the innocent people.