AltcoinsTalks forum simple monthly report: June 2024

[Lucius]

So you are saying admin alone can't take the decision to ban the promotion of these mixers on ATT (I prefer to say ALTT).
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Someone has to make a decision, and whether it is only the admin on this forum or whether such a decision would be made by some kind of consensus of several responsible persons remains a question to which I do not have an answer. I think that we ordinary users should not be too burdened with this, because in the end we have no influence on such things.

The decision to ban mixers on BTT was the decision of one admin, and he says that there was no pressure from anyone outside for such a move.

Looking at the things that have happened in the past few months, theymos' decision to ban mixer promotion makes sense. After the closing of the Samurai wallet, suing Sushiswap, and other similar cases who knows how the promotion of the mixers on Btt would be interpreted, especially considering that theymos is a US citizen.

I won't say that the decision was rushed, from his perspective things definitely look different - especially since his identity is publicly known. If this is something that might have saved him and the forum, then I guess it was worth it - but the fact is that many were quite disappointed that the situation turned out like that.

[MrSpasybo]

Similarweb has taken the place among webmaster tools that were previously held by the Alexa service. And as far as I remember, Alexa was quite imprecise with its data report.

Among other things, I currently maintain one domain, and I have quite different results of traffic on three different platforms. Google Analytics, Cloudflare and Similarweb, and the deviations are not small, but 10x depending on the service.

Yeah, so I think that sometimes comparing the results of different platforms doesn't make much sense, even between different versions of the same platform can create unnecessary confusion for data analysts.

Consistency in platform and version will give us the trend of changes in important data, even though their accuracy cannot be guaranteed. We have no choice but to continue to have provisional trust in the data that SimilarWeb provides ^^

[KingsDen]

I can't agree more with you but what if the same consequences came to this forum from BTT as well? What if authorities find there way to this forum as well? I won't be surprised but happy to see the adoption of rules and regulations here as well. I mean if something bad is happening it needs to be stopped right? Besides no doubt the shifting of mixer campaigns to this site has increased the traffic greatly and recently some old comparing (which was paused) are now active again and you will see the results for July will be better than now.
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The decision to ban mixers on BTT was the decision of one admin, and he says that there was no pressure from anyone outside for such a move. Besides, do you think that ATT is invisible and unknown to those who fight battles against mixers?

What an interesting question!
Well, theymos clarified that there was no warning from the government or anything of that kind. But we believe he took the decision for the benefit of BTT and bitcoin as a whole. Theymos is a resident in US, I believe he has allies who must have fed him confidential information.

Coming to the question of whether the authorities fighting mixers are not aware of ALTT forum. Few months ago when there was massive teleporting accounts from BTT, I asked a question and the admin of this place did give me a resounding reply. I have done a rough search of that response and couldn't find it.
He said;
"BTT is a mother forum of cryptocurrency and anything that happens to BTT will definitely affect the cryptocurrency industry. But if the government shutdown ALTT, hundreds of similar forums will spring up and the ecosystem won't be affected.

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"BTT is a mother forum of cryptocurrency and anything that happens to BTT will definitely affect the cryptocurrency industry. But if the government shutdown ALTT, hundreds of similar forums will spring up and the ecosystem won't be affected.

There are already other forums where mixers are present. On some, even mixers have to deposit funds in escrow to be able to announce themselves there.

[dkbit98]

There are already other forums where mixers are present. On some, even mixers have to deposit funds in escrow to be able to announce themselves there.

But as far as I know this is only existing on DarkNet that can be accessed only with Tor browser, and those forums exist for a long time there.
Even with having bitcoin deposits on this forums there were some cases of mixing services turning into scam, so deposit is not the same as no-scam guarantee.

[MrSpasybo]

Coming to the question of whether the authorities fighting mixers are not aware of ALTT forum. Few months ago when there was massive teleporting accounts from BTT, I asked a question and the admin of this place did give me a resounding reply. I have done a rough search of that response and couldn't find it.
He said;
"BTT is a mother forum of cryptocurrency and anything that happens to BTT will definitely affect the cryptocurrency industry. But if the government shutdown ALTT, hundreds of similar forums will spring up and the ecosystem won't be affected.

The change in attitude towards BTC Mixers from Bitcointalk has created an opportunity for AltcoinsTalks to attract more Signature campaigns and users from Bitcointalk. I believe this is a testament to the freedom and decentralization of the crypto market, where users are free to choose the platforms they love and trust.

I don't think that if AltcoinsTalks were to run into trouble or disappear, many other crypto forums would step up and replace it. We have many crypto forums, but they don't really thrive or have active communities. AltcoinsTalks is the best successful experiment I've seen in this market to coexist alongside Bitcointalk.

[KingsDen]

"BTT is a mother forum of cryptocurrency and anything that happens to BTT will definitely affect the cryptocurrency industry. But if the government shutdown ALTT, hundreds of similar forums will spring up and the ecosystem won't be affected.

There are already other forums where mixers are present. On some, even mixers have to deposit funds in escrow to be able to announce themselves there.

I don't understand how this works. Like they deposit funds in an escrow which will serve as a reserve incase they scam anyone in the forum, such a fund can serve as compensation fund?

I don't think that if AltcoinsTalks were to run into trouble or disappear, many other crypto forums would step up and replace it. We have many crypto forums, but they don't really thrive or have active communities. AltcoinsTalks is the best successful experiment I've seen in this market to coexist alongside Bitcointalk.

Did you at anytime imagine that mixers will dominate here and not be in BTT. So, what's the guarantee that if ALTT refuses to promote mixer tomorrow, Icopress and R7 will not discover another forum for us and they'll eventually become active forums?

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I don't understand how this works. Like they deposit funds in an escrow which will serve as a reserve incase they scam anyone in the forum, such a fund can serve as compensation fund?

Something close to that. I don't use some of those forums, but that's how I understood it. Moreover, unlike this forum and Btt, if a service is recognized as a scam, it is completely excluded from the forum and it is not possible to present itself in any way.
It can be said that the scam is moderated on such forums.

[KingsDen]

I don't understand how this works. Like they deposit funds in an escrow which will serve as a reserve incase they scam anyone in the forum, such a fund can serve as compensation fund?

Something close to that. I don't use some of those forums, but that's how I understood it. Moreover, unlike this forum and Btt, if a service is recognized as a scam, it is completely excluded from the forum and it is not possible to present itself in any way.
It can be said that the scam is moderated on such forums.

Ok, that's nice. So there'll be no room for projects like 1xbit. Trust you still remember the drama in BTT 

[MrSpasybo]

Did you at anytime imagine that mixers will dominate here and not be in BTT. So, what's the guarantee that if ALTT refuses to promote mixer tomorrow, Icopress and R7 will not discover another forum for us and they'll eventually become active forums?

Firstly, I don't believe that AltcoinsTalks will ban BTC Mixers. The Admin and Mods are aware of the existence of Mixers and do not oppose them. In fact, Mixers banners are displayed everywhere on AltcoinsTalks. This is a win-win collaboration and there is no reason for us to worry about any bans. The Admin and President also do not have the sole authority to make decisions with such a significant impact, at least not at this time!

AltcoinsTalks has existed and operated since before the Mixer signature campaigns, although we know that Mixers are really helping AltcoinsTalks become more vibrant. In the case that Mixers move to another crypto forum, such as Bitcoingarden or no other CT, I doubt the success of the signature campaigns there because the communities there are not really large and it is difficult to create effective promotion for the Mixers.

[notblox1]

Something close to that. I don't use some of those forums, but that's how I understood it. Moreover, unlike this forum and Btt, if a service is recognized as a scam, it is completely excluded from the forum and it is not possible to present itself in any way.
It can be said that the scam is moderated on such forums.

Can you name other cryptocurrency forums that are active?
I want to compare them all with altcoinstalks and bitcointalk, and see if they are doing something better than everyone else.
Crypto gambling forum is something I would be mostly interested to find.

[MrSpasybo]

Can you name other cryptocurrency forums that are active?
I want to compare them all with altcoinstalks and bitcointalk, and see if they are doing something better than everyone else.
Crypto gambling forum is something I would be mostly interested to find.

You can refer to some crypto forums on the market. Some forums have a similar interface to BitcoinTalk and AltcoinsTalks, some use a different interface and each forum has its own rules for members [1-2].

I have used many crypto forums such as no other CF, BitcoinGarden, no other CT but did not have a comfortable experience like on AltcoinsTalks: the community there is not really developed and there are not many opportunities to discuss or share views on the crypto market in English and local languages.
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[Faisal2202]

What an interesting question!
Well, theymos clarified that there was no warning from the government or anything of that kind. But we believe he took the decision for the benefit of BTT and bitcoin as a whole. Theymos is a resident in US, I believe he has allies who must have fed him confidential information.

What an interesting fact that I did not know, if that's the case then I think it is best for himself most compared to the forum's safety because he is most vulnerable if things become severe. Although it's hard to believe that how do you really know he lives in the USA? Well, its not matter to me where he lives and thanks for mentioning that there was no warning from gov but I already knew that because I read the whole thread that Theymos opened for the ban on Mixers and in that thread, he really said that he did not warn or threatened by Government. Well, who knows the real truth?

Coming to the question of whether the authorities fighting mixers are not aware of ALTT forum. Few months ago when there was massive teleporting accounts from BTT, I asked a question and the admin of this place did give me a resounding reply. I have done a rough search of that response and couldn't find it.
He said;
"BTT is a mother forum of cryptocurrency and anything that happens to BTT will definitely affect the cryptocurrency industry. But if the government shutdown ALTT, hundreds of similar forums will spring up and the ecosystem won't be affected.

That's a good answer but I never realized till this answer that BTT is that important for the whole crypto world. It doesn't even have that many visitors like only in 1 or 2 million maybe. My tracker is telling me it has 830K visitors this month on BTT. Which are not that much but still I believe many good projects are first market their campaigns on BTT and maybe that's why he said that.

[joniboini]

I have used many crypto forums such as no other CF, BitcoinGarden, no other CT but did not have a comfortable experience like on AltcoinsTalks: the community there is not really developed and there are not many opportunities to discuss or share views on the crypto market in English and local languages.

I remember participating in one of these forum where they offered to pay user in ETH after reaching a certain amount of post, which turn into spam fest quickly. On the other hand, I've seen so many forum dies because they can't attract enough users simply because they're too identical with existing popular forum like BTT which allows them to earn while posting. I guess activity and posting incentive are quite important for forum longevity. Making everything too centralized can also turn off some members from participating in forum discussion and so on.

[Lucius]

What an interesting fact that I did not know, if that's the case then I think it is best for himself most compared to the forum's safety because he is most vulnerable if things become severe. Although it's hard to believe that how do you really know he lives in the USA?
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Not only is it known where he lives, but his full name and age are also known, along with a few other things. I don't know how it happened that this information appeared publicly, but anyone can find it through search engines if they are really interested.