Whales and Manipulation....do you believe it?

[bhadz]

If that is so, that's the same in the past that we've been manipulated by the whales and by their way of doing it was through the FUD. They spread out ugly and emotional news to the market so that everyone will relay on their message and will start dumping their Bitcoins for them to catch it while they're cheap. I believe that they have an impact to the market and still reliant to the supply and demand but not entirely does have control on it.

[taufik123]

There must be whales intervening to manipulate the crypto market today.
They have set it up in such a way, creating a panic with the aim of making retail traders panic and sell their holdings so that whales will get a cheaper price.

As in the sales made by Germany in the past few days, with the sale of thousands of bitcoins making the market drop drastically.
But of course other whales will buy at a cheaper price.

Even some FUD news is also spread to make the crypto market unstable.
I as a small trader need to see how whales move and don't fight them.

[Doovla]

Certainly yes, waiting for a small sign of a price drop, which leads smaller pockets to the risk of selling everything, that's where they come in to convince them to sell so that later they buy it quickly and sell it at a price that will rise.

[bee]

At some point, I believe. Some pairs in the crypto market have relatively small trading volumes and limited liquidity, big actions from whales can have a significant impact. I recognize some of the tricks they usually use in their actions, Pump and Dump, Spoofing, Wash Trading. I think they also connect with news publishers (or press release services) to create a bigger FUD and FOMO effect.

[bayu7adi]

At some point, I believe. Some pairs in the crypto market have relatively small trading volumes and limited liquidity, big actions from whales can have a significant impact. I recognize some of the tricks they usually use in their actions, Pump and Dump, Spoofing, Wash Trading. I think they also connect with news publishers (or press release services) to create a bigger FUD and FOMO effect.

I believe so... news portals or international media have a big impact on the dissemination of information and also market movements... that is why several news portals are now very effective as tools for big investors or investment bookies to carry out market manipulations... These things are very closely related, so it's only natural that Bitcoin can be manipulated by the release of some FUD news and also strange decisions from very influential parties in the cryptocurrency world.

[AGM]

so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

Big holders in crypto platforms are referred to as whales. This is a common idea of ​​common people. And there is no reason to disbelieve this idea. But if we notice why the market is influenced by big holders or whales, the matter can be more clear.

Not everyone is able to make big trades in the crypto market, that's why if the big holders make any big trades, it can greatly affect the market. Simply put, we can say that big trades always drive crypto prices in the market. This is followed by some unscrupulous big traders trying to control the market. They use different strategies to change the investor's mind state and pursue their interests. Whales deliberately change the price of a particular crypto and take a profit when they get the chance.

But it must also be recognized that while whales have a large influence, they will never be able to completely control the entire market. Because it is difficult for an investor to control most Bitcoin or Ether. Moreover, even though ordinary investors have a small amount, they have a large share due to which the whales cannot take full control.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

Personally, from my own little knowledge of how the market works, that is the mechanics, it's always all about supply and demand, regardless of whether whales are manipulating the market direction or not, you and I know that such is not sustainable, it can only past but for a while, and when they are done, supply and demand will always take over again.

And again, to get a better and clearer understanding of this, we have to also ask ourselves what the motive is behind whales manipulating the direction of a market, they do it to either increase demand and reduce supply (price goes up) or to decrease demand and increase supply (price goes down).
To simple knowledge should tell you that the market is always controlled by demand and supply, because whales manipulation is always temporary, but demand and supply is always permanent.

[bee]

because whales manipulation is always temporary, but demand and supply is always permanent.

The interest of whales in manipulating is not only to make a profit on the spot market, I mean there is a term Zero-Sum Game. You may have seen long wicks of candlesticks in futures trading several times while global market volatility is quite stable. It happens in just a few seconds, see how many orders are liquidated and imagine if whales in this case were acting as market makers.

[jeraldskie11]

The market moves because of supply and demand, however whales or institutions can make a big impact to the market and somehow can manipulate it. Supply in crypto can be determined as the sellers while demand is the buyers. Now whales can be both sellers or buyers. If you look at the chart, the big candlesticks is caused by the whales while the small candlesticks is caused by small investors/traders. Sometimes you may think that the market is controlled by whales or institutions, it's because that currency is so volatile. If you look at Bitcoin in it's beginning and now, you will see the difference.

[Faisal2202]

In cryptocurrency, we often hear the term whales which refers to an individual or group who has very large assets and is thought to have a big influence on crypto.
Meanwhile, it is also related to market manipulation, which also deviates slightly from the laws of nature, where one individual or group intends to change the direction of market movements using their own means...
Between whales and market manipulation activities, they are usually interconnected, and that is a normal thing in the world of investment...

so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

I don't believe it, I believe it is influenced by supply and demand, it is also influenced by other parties as well but to not at that level. I mean an individual and group of people can't pump and dump the market. But they can have a good impact if the amount is big. The answer to your doubt lies in your statement, that when people are in FOMO and selling then Whales prefer to sell as well but they prefer to buy again but low, and doing this can make them more satoshis and conversely, The same happens when people are buying due to FOMO.

Point is, whales and manipulation are related, whales can't really shake the market, because they don't have thousands of BTC, but they prefer to move with manipulator who have big stash of BTC for example, whales would prefer to sell before MT Gox, Germany and FTX selling, and they will prefer to buy again when they think its the lowest market can go. Otherwise some whales are just making money by these tides in the market.

[snowpega]

I don't believe it, I believe it is influenced by supply and demand, it is also influenced by other parties as well but to not at that level. I mean an individual and group of people can't pump and dump the market. But they can have a good impact if the amount is big. The answer to your doubt lies in your statement, that when people are in FOMO and selling then Whales prefer to sell as well but they prefer to buy again but low, and doing this can make them more satoshis and conversely, The same happens when people are buying due to FOMO.

Point is, whales and manipulation are related, whales can't really shake the market, because they don't have thousands of BTC, but they prefer to move with manipulator who have big stash of BTC for example, whales would prefer to sell before MT Gox, Germany and FTX selling, and they will prefer to buy again when they think its the lowest market can go. Otherwise some whales are just making money by these tides in the market.

Ahan, this is so correct that the market condition and direction depend on the Demand and supply as it should be but there is another fact along with it that you are missing in my point of view, Demand and supply are also affected by the big moves of Big money that somehow change the market direction. We all know that many of the people are trapped by big money actions with the help of fake news spread on the social media to promote it in the form of FUD, and FOMO so this is how their actions also affect the Demand and supply.

In all that it helps the big whales to change the market condition according to their expectation. Many influencers also follow the actions of big money and these influencers spread their actions on their social plug-in/platforms so, as a result, it gets easier for the big money to trapp the market holders and traders, and in conclusion demand and supply fundamental also effect at the end of this game.

[$crypto$]

At some point, I believe. Some pairs in the crypto market have relatively small trading volumes and limited liquidity, big actions from whales can have a significant impact. I recognize some of the tricks they usually use in their actions, Pump and Dump, Spoofing, Wash Trading. I think they also connect with news publishers (or press release services) to create a bigger FUD and FOMO effect.

I believe so... news portals or international media have a big impact on the dissemination of information and also market movements... that is why several news portals are now very effective as tools for big investors or investment bookies to carry out market manipulations... These things are very closely related, so it's only natural that Bitcoin can be manipulated by the release of some FUD news and also strange decisions from very influential parties in the cryptocurrency world.

It's true, it may have nothing to do with the market, but big news will have a big influence on the market, because many people end up being affected, whether it's things that report positive things or negative news.

So this is a kind of algorithm where news will be a factor that can influence investors in making decisions so that it has a direct impact on future price movements.

[Makus]

In cryptocurrency, we often hear the term whales which refers to an individual or group who has very large assets and is thought to have a big influence on crypto.
Meanwhile, it is also related to market manipulation, which also deviates slightly from the laws of nature, where one individual or group intends to change the direction of market movements using their own means...
Between whales and market manipulation activities, they are usually interconnected, and that is a normal thing in the world of investment...

so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

It's certain the recent dump in price was influenced  by the activities  of the German government  selling a very large amount of Bitcoin and sometimes  the market has to respond to these manipulations. But as we call it manipulation, manipulations don't last for long, they might supercede or override the current trend of the market but after a while, the market will get immune and kick off the manipulations  and the proc will  return  to its usual trend. Another way to determine  if the market has been manipulated, after the market price start responding  to its original price trend, its recovery  rate would be rapid compared to when the market is experiencing   is usually  dump of pump.

[TomPluz]

So do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

I believe that the movements made by these whales or big holders of digital assets (how I wish am one of them haha) can still be a part of the law of supply and demand thing since they are in essence affecting supply and demand, in the first place by withdrawing/maximixing the supply/demand. And since we are in an open amrket, there is nothing that can stop any whale from doing whatever he wants to do in the pursuit of his own financial interest. And there is also no way that we can limit how many assets a person can accumulate so we can have as many whales as there can be. Now, we have to accept that any movement in the market may have some degree of manipulation on it whther it can be intended or not. In purse sense of the word, I would consideration manipulation when someone or a platform is deceiving deception in affecting the market. For example, an exchange may find a way to somehow refelct a big movement in a certain asset but in reality it is not true...in this case this is what manipulation is.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

In cryptocurrency, we often hear the term whales which refers to an individual or group who has very large assets and is thought to have a big influence on crypto.
Meanwhile, it is also related to market manipulation, which also deviates slightly from the laws of nature, where one individual or group intends to change the direction of market movements using their own means...
Between whales and market manipulation activities, they are usually interconnected, and that is a normal thing in the world of investment...

so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

       -     Maybe there are times that when they sell a large amount of bitcoin or cryptocurrency, especially if they are a group of rich people who are holders of bitcoin or crypto, there are still chances that they can raise or lower the price of any crypto assets.

But not in all cases they can do this because there are still more poor type of holders who can hold not that much of assets as a crypto holders, and putting that together, they will still be. That's why the market is called unpredictable.