Whales and Manipulation....do you believe it?

[Faisal2202]

Ahan, this is so correct that the market condition and direction depend on the Demand and supply as it should be but there is another fact along with it that you are missing in my point of view, Demand and supply are also affected by the big moves of Big money that somehow change the market direction. We all know that many of the people are trapped by big money actions with the help of fake news spread on the social media to promote it in the form of FUD, and FOMO so this is how their actions also affect the Demand and supply.

In all that it helps the big whales to change the market condition according to their expectation. Many influencers also follow the actions of big money and these influencers spread their actions on their social plug-in/platforms so, as a result, it gets easier for the big money to trapp the market holders and traders, and in conclusion demand and supply fundamental also effect at the end of this game.

I thought I my words were enough to cover this part as well but thanks for writing them separately as it cleared the idea. And yeah, market moves with the flow of money, news, and trend. Some people trade on the basis of Price Action, while some people trade on fundamental analysis. So, let's say out of 1,000,000 people 500,000 people trade on the basis of PA. And they have done all the necessary analysis like setup there resistances, supports and levels. So out of 500,000 people if 250,000 people have set almost the same resistance and support (which i know is not possible but not impossible as well), if not same then almost same would be fine to say. Then they will try to follow there plan and the remaining ones are also bullish due to news, then there is a chance (most likely) that the market will follow the trend drawn or predicted by these 250,000 people.

So the point is, these people are not played by whales, but mostly played by news and when news came out, people changes plans and influencers start to share news etc. and then whales decides to make there move. I hope you got my point.

[albon]

It is believed that price changes in the crypto market can be achieved by a surge in supply or demand. At such times you will see a sudden surge in demand in the market and at this time whales are controlling the market and buying heavily. Again suddenly sold them and then the market was found to be in decline, causing a lot of price drop. Everyone is happy to get a dumping market but some people cannot accept it. Because they buy tokens in the past at higher price that is lower than the current market.

[Jamal Aezaz]

Here just whales are not the cause for market changes but there are also some other reasons due to which one can see that the market is changing from low to high and from high to low. It is true that whales have a large number of coins in which they have invested so if they sell their coins then there will be reduction in demand which will cause further reduction in the value of coins.

Nobody knows what is the cause for current reduction but when the market starts to be bullish then whales sell their coins and market again turn into lower value. We should invest at lower worth and wait until whales again make huge sales to make the price elevated so we can make profit in this way.

[Cryptsafe]

No doubt, in every business, there are tycoon and mafias who rules the industry. They may be in groups or cartels as you may wish to call them but one thing  i think you should know is that those groups are as old as the market itself. They run things for themselves at the detriment of other marketers without minding the outcome of their engagement or actions they are the men of the time as such business strives on, so it is in the crypto industry.

Whales I believe could manipulate the market and the way they do this is very simple. The fake news, FOMO, FUD, movement of large volume of tokens from wallets to another which is in large amount of money equivalent, government actions and lots more. All these are just the ones we know but in all I believe that the direction of the market can not be predicted and whatever condition the market is experiencing does not last forever as there is always a turn of event.

[Jaephoenix]

Of course I believe it. Whales do whales thing. They get richer by market manipulations. Look at governments like China, Germany making news about bitcoin or crypto. Their cronies and proxies use the news to line their pockets. They sell up bitcoin before any announcements and when it dumps, they buy it up. Rinse and repeat

[sampoerna]

so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

Supply and demand are of course still a factor in increasing or decreasing crypto prices. And this is a still higher factor. However, to be honest, it cannot be denied that the level of interference from whales is quite high. It's true that we don't believe that the market can't be manipulated, but that's not entirely true.

Crypto market, there are lots of whales. especially for superior coin holders, they can even play the market in various ways, either blowing FUD or bad news, suddenly there is good news again, then holding the coins so as not to exceed a certain resistance or support, holding the price at a certain point , or actually pump for certain crypto.

This can happen because they have that capacity, especially the capacity of the amount of the coins that they have. However, we know once again that there are many whales in the crypto world, and not all whales always walk together in the same way they think. And there are often wars involving the market of those whales. And we, as very small investors, certainly cannot have a big influence, unless we don't panic easily when whatever the whales do has a bad impact on the market. If we stay calm and don't panic, then at least we can reduce their influence on the market a little.

[Zed0X]

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so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

Whales are whales for a reason. I doubt they would make investment decisions that are against the supply and demand (rarely if any). I think it's them who understands the law best and that's why they can also trigger a reaction from the market.

[famososMuertos]

The issue is until when that conjecture will be real, but regardless of this, what are influences that on your decision financial it can  have to,  that is, in recent days we have had a drop below 60k and then a steep rise to +65k . It doesn't matter where the effect comes from, the historical graphs are there... so, whales!?

[pawel7777]

Of course I believe it. Whales do whales thing. They get richer by market manipulations. Look at governments like China, Germany making news about bitcoin or crypto. Their cronies and proxies use the news to line their pockets. They sell up bitcoin before any announcements and when it dumps, they buy it up. Rinse and repeat

The bigger the volume, the harder it is for individual players to influence the market. As much as it was quite easy for a single whale to manipulate the price a decade ago or so, this is becoming progressively harder as we grow.
The German dump, which indeed looked like an attempt to drive the BTC's price down, didn't have that much of an impact on its own. It just happened at the same time as the scare of Mt Gox distribution, and even then the drop was not that big.

[akeemqaz]

Apart from individual whales, I believe big exchanges are also involved in manipulation. Well, they are whales too. But there are different kinds of whales, not only individuals. Big companies like BlackRock and others similar to them are the real whales that manipulate the market now. And some governments are involved as well.

[ayydil]

I do think whales might influence the prices of crypto since it is so volatile and depends on speculation and demand is created in a big manner on basis of just that I guess. I do believe someday we will use crypto for transactions and that time the prices of crypto will be kind of stable since it will be largely dependent on market prices of goods and services. But people holding big amount of crypto or stocks, they can influence the price in a way since their purchase and losses might ignite FOMO in people.

[bitterguy28]

so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

Whales are trying of course but they can only move a little , and it is the Supply and Demand is still the basis of the market movement.

This is why important to never go with the flow , I mean never act together with Weak hands, they are the one who are the first affected when whales tries to move the market
and so  others also respond such , but if we will keep the holding?  whales can never be manipulating because there are so much funds outside the hands of whales .

[Geey]

In my opinion, market movements are controlled 50% by interference from other parties and 50% by coin supply, the two are interrelated. if market movements are controlled by the intervention of other parties then it will be as if he is controlling the market price and this will have a lot of impact on other traders... but I don't believe what all this says if whales control market movements, because I just heard it if only someone could control this global market movement.

[Kemarit]

In my opinion, market movements are controlled 50% by interference from other parties and 50% by coin supply, the two are interrelated. if market movements are controlled by the intervention of other parties then it will be as if he is controlling the market price and this will have a lot of impact on other traders... but I don't believe what all this says if whales control market movements, because I just heard it if only someone could control this global market movement.

It could be, but you also have to factor how big the market is, and then how big this so called whales that they were able to control the market? Market cap is $2 trillion already. So if there is a big whales then he could be using billions just to shake the market and totally manipulate it. Just like in the last 24 hours, Bitcoin is down 1-2% already, so that is already big but I don't know if it is really manipulated or it's just hat Bitcoin is really traded big in all parts of the globe now that sometimes, we really don't know if whales are involved or it's just the average joe and retail traders and investors are the one moving the market.

[dekafee79]

In my opinion, market movements are controlled 50% by interference from other parties and 50% by coin supply, the two are interrelated. if market movements are controlled by the intervention of other parties then it will be as if he is controlling the market price and this will have a lot of impact on other traders... but I don't believe what all this says if whales control market movements, because I just heard it if only someone could control this global market movement.

It could be, but you also have to factor how big the market is, and then how big this so called whales that they were able to control the market? Market cap is $2 trillion already. So if there is a big whales then he could be using billions just to shake the market and totally manipulate it. Just like in the last 24 hours, Bitcoin is down 1-2% already, so that is already big but I don't know if it is really manipulated or it's just hat Bitcoin is really traded big in all parts of the globe now that sometimes, we really don't know if whales are involved or it's just the average joe and retail traders and investors are the one moving the market.

In my opinion, those who manipulate the market are a group of people who have large capital, people call them whales. They will always manipulate the market and some also make news reports before playing market prices. This has been happening for a long time in the crypto world, and as people who have been investing in crypto for a long time we definitely understand it.