Whales and Manipulation....do you believe it?

[electronicash]

     -     Maybe that depends on a cryptocurrency held by a whale investors, because if it's like Bitcoin, Eth, and other top altcoins, they probably won't be able to drop the price of those in the market.

Believe me, if a crypto is pure hype and new, it can really manipulate the other crypto and it often happens with meme coins where the manipulators do the exiting and the result is rugpull.

just like the Smesh team who tried to manipulate its token to pumping and dumping, they were caught by someone however that's why they haven't gained something out o it and then it was Khamzat who got tangled  by their scam attempt. 

a team manipulating their own market is probably common since its like promoting their token to the people. they need the token to be noticed by the traders especially when the price overnight pumps high.

[robelneo]

so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

On a whole, whales are responsible for market manipulation. We have seen how a huge whale like Elon Musk plays a big role in making Doge catapult it on the top Just when Doge was heading from oblivion, whales makes the coins or tokens trend in the market.

Investors are following whales because their moves are what make them profit, so whale manipulation has always been a part of the performance of coins and tokens in the market.

[LogitechMouse]

Re: Whales and Manipulation....do you believe it?

In 2017 when I started learning cryptocurrency, I've seen lots of market manipulations especially with the coins that has low market cap. I've seen Bitcoin being manipulated too. Well, that was the time where the total market cap of Bitcoin and altcoins are pretty low because it wasn't as popular as it is right now.

Now in 2024, market manipulations still exists and whales do manipulate still, but they're only focusing on coins that has low market cap. They don't want to manipulate the price of Bitcoin because they can't do it, and if they will, they will need a huge amount of money because of how huge the market cap of Bitcoin is right now. As the years pass by, these whales will have lower chance of manipulating the price of Bitcoin hence, they'll just focus on low market cap altcoins. I still believe in manipulations, and in whales, but it wasn't as many as it is years ago.

[armanda90]

On a whole, whales are responsible for market manipulation. We have seen how a huge whale like Elon Musk plays a big role in making Doge catapult it on the top Just when Doge was heading from oblivion, whales makes the coins or tokens trend in the market.

Investors are following whales because their moves are what make them profit, so whale manipulation has always been a part of the performance of coins and tokens in the market.

Believe or not, Whales have quite a big influence in manipulating the market and it is very easy to determine the direction of increase or decrease in prices.
Did you remember how Doge coins increasing drastically from most cheapest price as shit coins success break out almost $1 after promoting by Elon Musk.
Every time his tweet easily make many people get influence to buy because Doge coins pump and few hours later get dump, whales can make manipulation easily but always remember with bad potential later if you get interested buy some coins after promoting by whales.

[bayu7adi]

On a whole, whales are responsible for market manipulation. We have seen how a huge whale like Elon Musk plays a big role in making Doge catapult it on the top Just when Doge was heading from oblivion, whales makes the coins or tokens trend in the market.

Investors are following whales because their moves are what make them profit, so whale manipulation has always been a part of the performance of coins and tokens in the market.

But what is difficult is following the direction of the story that the whales want to make... we ourselves can make decisions according to feeling and analysis, but the movements of whales are always unpredictable... even many people's assumptions that after the Bitcoin halving in 2024, it should be color it with a green candlestick, but it turns out that after hitting $71k a few weeks ago, the price dropped drastically to $56k...

Whales have their own movements, and in my opinion, the victims of their movements are retail investors or small investors who are easily manipulated by news or by pump and dump moments.

[MrSpasybo]

In cryptocurrency, we often hear the term whales which refers to an individual or group who has very large assets and is thought to have a big influence on crypto.
Meanwhile, it is also related to market manipulation, which also deviates slightly from the laws of nature, where one individual or group intends to change the direction of market movements using their own means...
Between whales and market manipulation activities, they are usually interconnected, and that is a normal thing in the world of investment...

so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

Previously, I did not like conspiracy theories about whales and large financial institutions, but after researching on-chain data and the accurate financial markets, I believe that all markets are created and manipulated by whales. Sometimes small retail investors can also create trends and cause the market to fluctuate differently from the whales plans, but these are just a few special cases such as meme-stocks.

With their potential in data + finance + media + team of experts, whales can completely manipulate the market in a way that is most beneficial to them by taking advantage of the cyclical nature and market sentiment. Although crypto operates on decentralized blockchains and everyone has the right to move tokens, all retail investors are in the whale manipulation, so we should find ways to understand whale behavior to swim and profit instead of trying to fight them.

[Freemind]

Previously, I did not like conspiracy theories about whales and large financial institutions, but after researching on-chain data and the accurate financial markets, I believe that all markets are created and manipulated by whales. Sometimes small retail investors can also create trends and cause the market to fluctuate differently from the whales plans, but these are just a few special cases such as meme-stocks.

With their potential in data + finance + media + team of experts, whales can completely manipulate the market in a way that is most beneficial to them by taking advantage of the cyclical nature and market sentiment. Although crypto operates on decentralized blockchains and everyone has the right to move tokens, all retail investors are in the whale manipulation, so we should find ways to understand whale behavior to swim and profit instead of trying to fight them.

Market manipulation is as old as the markets themselves, regardless of the type of industry or the amount of money that moves in them. Thinking that the market does not suffer manipulations, and that it is governed by simple supply and demand is wasting time. In cases like cryptocurrencies, it is not only the whales that carry out these manipulations, the media (which you have talked about) intervene in many cases to make everything seem "natural". Centralized exchanges also play a big role in market manipulations as they are always a whale business, so you have two decks to play.

[Sim_card]

Previously, I did not like conspiracy theories about whales and large financial institutions, but after researching on-chain data and the accurate financial markets, I believe that all markets are created and manipulated by whales. Sometimes small retail investors can also create trends and cause the market to fluctuate differently from the whales plans, but these are just a few special cases such as meme-stocks.

With their potential in data + finance + media + team of experts, whales can completely manipulate the market in a way that is most beneficial to them by taking advantage of the cyclical nature and market sentiment. Although crypto operates on decentralized blockchains and everyone has the right to move tokens, all retail investors are in the whale manipulation, so we should find ways to understand whale behavior to swim and profit instead of trying to fight them.

Market manipulation is as old as the markets themselves, regardless of the type of industry or the amount of money that moves in them. Thinking that the market does not suffer manipulations, and that it is governed by simple supply and demand is wasting time. In cases like cryptocurrencies, it is not only the whales that carry out these manipulations, the media (which you have talked about) intervene in many cases to make everything seem "natural". Centralized exchanges also play a big role in market manipulations as they are always a whale business, so you have two decks to play.

Whales controls the cryptocurrency market and there is nothing anyone can do about it because they have the funds to do so. However, it depends on the kind of coins that they can control. If it is bitcoin, it
will only last for a short period of time because recently Germany sold all their bitcoin which took bitcoin price to dip and not up to few weeks the price recovered back. Altcoins are the ones that Whales manipulation can be on a long-term. There are some people that are followers of these Whales that anything they do their followers does it too, meaning they invested into cryptocurrency because of these Whales, and that is why you see that when Whales are selling, weak hands are also selling and when they are buying these set of people will also buy due to FOMO

[Gurujebs]

Believe or not, Whales have quite a big influence in manipulating the market and it is very easy to determine the direction of increase or decrease in prices.
Did you remember how Doge coins increasing drastically from most cheapest price as shit coins success break out almost $1 after promoting by Elon Musk.
Every time his tweet easily make many people get influence to buy because Doge coins pump and few hours later get dump, whales can make manipulation easily but always remember with bad potential later if you get interested buy some coins after promoting by whales.

Whales are just powerful and wealthy person, group or teams that influence the market, some do both traditional stock trading and do crypto and the reason why they are so smart in making money is because they have access to first class information and act quick before other people, they are here in crypto market and I think without them, the market wouldn't even be liquid to make money by small retailers.

However, there are good ones that manipulate market not just in their own favour but for the general profits of everyone. Once they buy a coin, they don't sell the coin. They hold it and that's why when small hands sells, the price don't shake but when whales get out of the market, the impact is always felt.

[0t3p0t]

Whales has huge capital and they are using the media and events to initiate a perfect execution of their manipulation maybe it is correct to say it takes two to tango especially nowadays when average investors are I think have had enough knowledge regarding manipulation so whales tend to improvise their strategy to cause huge return from their investments.

[dekafee79]

Whales has huge capital and they are using the media and events to initiate a perfect execution of their manipulation maybe it is correct to say it takes two to tango especially nowadays when average investors are I think have had enough knowledge regarding manipulation so whales tend to improvise their strategy to cause huge return from their investments.

Whales always have a way to manipulate the market by spreading news, then with large funds they start playing prices in the market. And this is done by a group of whales, because it takes large funds to be able to manipulate the crypto market. They can spread good news and also negative news.

[joniboini]

Sometimes I wonder if knowing or believeing that the market is manipulated would change how people trade. I mean, technical analysis probably can help mitigate sudden price movement (including using stop-loss, etc). Let's say the market is in a bear market and we know some people intentionally dump to keep it that way, would we try to buy as much Bitcoin as possible or would we stay from the market for a while because of that?

I'd probably stay on the sideline and wait until I'm confident that the trend has stabilized before I enter the market again.

[dekafee79]

Sometimes I wonder if knowing or believeing that the market is manipulated would change how people trade. I mean, technical analysis probably can help mitigate sudden price movement (including using stop-loss, etc). Let's say the market is in a bear market and we know some people intentionally dump to keep it that way, would we try to buy as much Bitcoin as possible or would we stay from the market for a while because of that?

I'd probably stay on the sideline and wait until I'm confident that the trend has stabilized before I enter the market again.

If you just wait on the sidelines waiting for stability, isn't the crypto market volatile? Why not take advantage of that instability to make a profit by trading? I learned to speculate by trading to make a profit, it's risky but we can learn by understanding the character of the market.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Sometimes I wonder if knowing or believeing that the market is manipulated would change how people trade. I mean, technical analysis probably can help mitigate sudden price movement (including using stop-loss, etc). Let's say the market is in a bear market and we know some people intentionally dump to keep it that way, would we try to buy as much Bitcoin as possible or would we stay from the market for a while because of that?

I'd probably stay on the sideline and wait until I'm confident that the trend has stabilized before I enter the market again.

If you just wait on the sidelines waiting for stability, isn't the crypto market volatile? Why not take advantage of that instability to make a profit by trading? I learned to speculate by trading to make a profit, it's risky but we can learn by understanding the character of the market.

Although it is correct that the fluctuating crypto market can be used to earn money, waiting for a stable situation is not a lack of action but rather good planning. Volatility to some extent is positive, the main idea is that we can make money, but we also know that we can lose a lot of it quickly. Day trading can be an effective strategy for some people, although it is not suitable for all traders in the long term.

Furthermore, identifying the nature of the market is always a time-consuming and resource-consuming process, not to mention the necessity of specific experience in such work. This means that if one does not have adequate knowledge and fails to take a proper risk control on the asset he/she trades, he/she will end up trading with huge losses in the market. This is true because while it is possible to make lots of money quick the investor also stands to loose a lot, it is therefore necessary to consider more sustainable investment strategies

[UNIVERSE]

Let's say the market is in a bear market and we know some people intentionally dump to keep it that way, would we try to buy as much Bitcoin as possible or would we stay from the market for a while because of that?

It depends on what the season it is. If it is in the bearish season, I personally never feel afraid to buy Bitcoin as many as possible when there is a huge dump in the market. But if it is the bullish season, moreover the price of Bitcoin has increased significantly, I will try to wait and see first. I really avoid to buy Bitcoin at high rates, it will be difficult to take profits.

I'd probably stay on the sideline and wait until I'm confident that the trend has stabilized before I enter the market again.

Of course, just buy the coins when we are confident only. I think most people will do this, it is too risky to buy the coins when we are not confident. Our confidence should be reasonable, I mean we must have a reason why we can be confident. I think it should be through analysis or research to make us be confident to buy certain coins.