Whales and Manipulation....do you believe it?

[bayu7adi]

If you just wait on the sidelines waiting for stability, isn't the crypto market volatile? Why not take advantage of that instability to make a profit by trading? I learned to speculate by trading to make a profit, it's risky but we can learn by understanding the character of the market.

But strangely enough, whale movements are not easy to predict and not easy to learn... manipulation always violates the laws of nature, so it creates movements according to the will of people who have enough power to manipulate the market... However, believing in manipulation should not make us far from learning trading.. because manipulative nature usually does not happen all the time... only concerns certain moments... the rest of our trading knowledge and intuition are more useful for making decisions.

[|MINER|]

so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

Actually, it is the worst truth of the cryptocurrency world that market can manipulate by the whale but the good thing is they can't hold the manipulation for long-time. But I think we can also be safe  from these traps if we have the knowledge. Like whale want to make hype and fud on the market by doing some big movement and this case we have to do the opposite of them what is want if we can do this then we will not going to be in their trap. And I think that professional traders and holders have these strategies to passed out the whale manipulation I market.

[0t3p0t]

so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

Actually, it is the worst truth of the cryptocurrency world that market can manipulate by the whale but the good thing is they can't hold the manipulation for long-time. But I think we can also be safe  from these traps if we have the knowledge. Like whale want to make hype and fud on the market by doing some big movement and this case we have to do the opposite of them what is want if we can do this then we will not going to be in their trap. And I think that professional traders and holders have these strategies to passed out the whale manipulation I market.

Yeah exactly but that is why we need to learn how to jump into that manipulation though we cannot predict it but just by analyzing the market trend we can actually see some signs that might be a hint for us when and how we dive into our entry and exit thought it takes time to learn this but it is worth the time if we will soon successfully decode their patterns or next move.

[Gurujebs]

But strangely enough, whale movements are not easy to predict and not easy to learn... manipulation always violates the laws of nature, so it creates movements according to the will of people who have enough power to manipulate the market... However, believing in manipulation should not make us far from learning trading.. because manipulative nature usually does not happen all the time... only concerns certain moments... the rest of our trading knowledge and intuition are more useful for making decisions.

You seems to understand the market way better than some people. About some weeks ago, everyone were bearish about the crypto market, alot of people were not bullish as their was selling pressure from German government and Mt.gox distribution was scaring everyone but look at Bitcoin price right now, it's fighting to enter $70k region and all this are possible because whales made it possible, without them the market wouldn't be having much changes when there is a string fundamental news about Bitcoin or altcoins.

[pieppiep]

so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

Actually, it is the worst truth of the cryptocurrency world that market can manipulate by the whale but the good thing is they can't hold the manipulation for long-time. But I think we can also be safe  from these traps if we have the knowledge. Like whale want to make hype and fud on the market by doing some big movement and this case we have to do the opposite of them what is want if we can do this then we will not going to be in their trap. And I think that professional traders and holders have these strategies to passed out the whale manipulation I market.

Yeah exactly but that is why we need to learn how to jump into that manipulation though we cannot predict it but just by analyzing the market trend we can actually see some signs that might be a hint for us when and how we dive into our entry and exit thought it takes time to learn this but it is worth the time if we will soon successfully decode their patterns or next move.

Although we have analyzed the market conditions, it should be noted that the movement of coin prices in the market is not always easy to predict and there is no guarantee that it will provide accurate results. We only need to learn various trading methods so that when whales try to manipulate coin prices on the exchange, we can try to make decisions about the next movement and will be profitable if we can find out the movements made by the whales.

[luckyledger]

so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

Actually, it is the worst truth of the cryptocurrency world that market can manipulate by the whale but the good thing is they can't hold the manipulation for long-time. But I think we can also be safe  from these traps if we have the knowledge. Like whale want to make hype and fud on the market by doing some big movement and this case we have to do the opposite of them what is want if we can do this then we will not going to be in their trap. And I think that professional traders and holders have these strategies to passed out the whale manipulation I market.

Yeah exactly but that is why we need to learn how to jump into that manipulation though we cannot predict it but just by analyzing the market trend we can actually see some signs that might be a hint for us when and how we dive into our entry and exit thought it takes time to learn this but it is worth the time if we will soon successfully decode their patterns or next move.

Although we have analyzed the market conditions, it should be noted that the movement of coin prices in the market is not always easy to predict and there is no guarantee that it will provide accurate results. We only need to learn various trading methods so that when whales try to manipulate coin prices on the exchange, we can try to make decisions about the next movement and will be profitable if we can find out the movements made by the whales.

Totally!! We need to try and utilize both the market moves of demand and supply and the whales' moves which try to play around with it. This way, it will be much more profitable in the long run, analyzing both.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

But strangely enough, whale movements are not easy to predict and not easy to learn... manipulation always violates the laws of nature, so it creates movements according to the will of people who have enough power to manipulate the market... However, believing in manipulation should not make us far from learning trading.. because manipulative nature usually does not happen all the time... only concerns certain moments... the rest of our trading knowledge and intuition are more useful for making decisions.

You seems to understand the market way better than some people. About some weeks ago, everyone were bearish about the crypto market, alot of people were not bullish as their was selling pressure from German government and Mt.gox distribution was scaring everyone but look at Bitcoin price right now, it's fighting to enter $70k region and all this are possible because whales made it possible, without them the market wouldn't be having much changes when there is a string fundamental news about Bitcoin or altcoins.

Sorry but I will have to totally disagree with you, bitcoin touched $70,000 yesterday but immediately retraced back to around $66,000 which is where it is still currently at at the time of posting this reply, who did you think sold or manipulated the price of bitcoin to go back to $66,000? Its the whales, the whale are not reason why bitcoin climbed to $70,000 in the first place, there are actually a lot of people, individuals, companies, institutions and even government buying bitcoins at the moment, whales are only taking advantage of this to cash out their large holdings when ever bitcoin reaches a certain price key point or level, this is why bitcoin has been struggling to reach and maintain the price of $70k and above.

[Pastaral]

In this case,if you look at the financial condition of the market, whales are large investors who often help to move the price in the market.This term whale is used in the financial market for large investors and they are able to significantly influence the price or value in the market with a large amount of capital. In this case, due to their taking these steps, they can bring important changes in the market,and due to their large transactions,they cause changes in the direction of the market

[Crwth]

I do believe that there is a group of people or multiple people who decide and see things if they want to dump the market or just raise the market price and not sell anything. This is more evident in my opinion and lower market caps.

For Bitcoin, I think there are a lot of people who have a lot of Bitcoin but just don’t sell because they want to see between going to the moon.

[|MINER|]

Yeah exactly but that is why we need to learn how to jump into that manipulation though we cannot predict it but just by analyzing the market trend we can actually see some signs that might be a hint for us when and how we dive into our entry and exit thought it takes time to learn this but it is worth the time if we will soon successfully decode their patterns or next move.

What you have said is true that it is not possible to predict how and when the big whales will do market manipulation. However, comparing the current market situation and the whale movement with the market situation of that time and the previous market situation, I think you can definitely understand what their intention is. And accordingly their intention should not be fulfilled, so the opposite step should be taken as a wise trader, then I think it will be possible to gain profit from market manipulation of whales.

[bayu7adi]

Yeah exactly but that is why we need to learn how to jump into that manipulation though we cannot predict it but just by analyzing the market trend we can actually see some signs that might be a hint for us when and how we dive into our entry and exit thought it takes time to learn this but it is worth the time if we will soon successfully decode their patterns or next move.

It came out of what was technical analysis at the time, and the game of feelings played a big role in market movements... signs of pumps and bulls, and whales' activities usually became certain parameters for traders... and this is really about the trading experience that is not written in a standard way.... yes, it is true, manipulation can still be maximized by retail investors, but at least it takes a long time to be able to understand how whales move... and how to respond to news circulating in the media... because the media is also a tool for whales to manipulate.

It seems to be an easier tool to spread information and influence people's emotions. So, everyone has their own way of analyzing the news circulating.... for me it is related to the whales' steps to take action.

[|MINER|]

Sorry but I will have to totally disagree with you, bitcoin touched $70,000 yesterday but immediately retraced back to around $66,000 which is where it is still currently at at the time of posting this reply, who did you think sold or manipulated the price of bitcoin to go back to $66,000? Its the whales, the whale are not reason why bitcoin climbed to $70,000 in the first place, there are actually a lot of people, individuals, companies, institutions and even government buying bitcoins at the moment, whales are only taking advantage of this to cash out their large holdings when ever bitcoin reaches a certain price key point or level, this is why bitcoin has been struggling to reach and maintain the price of $70k and above.

Then what do you think about the future of bitcoin price ? Because some whales transactions are made in past few days, is that any signal for down towards market ? Or something else?
We are also seen that bitcoin break its past record to cross it's previous all time high price before the bitcoin halving this sense i think never happened in market if I'm not wrong to analyze the past history. So are there any negative market comming , what do you think?

[alltalk]

But strangely enough, whale movements are not easy to predict and not easy to learn... manipulation always violates the laws of nature, so it creates movements according to the will of people who have enough power to manipulate the market... However, believing in manipulation should not make us far from learning trading.. because manipulative nature usually does not happen all the time... only concerns certain moments... the rest of our trading knowledge and intuition are more useful for making decisions.

It is impossible to predict accurately the whale movements. Unless we are a part of group whales, there is no way to know their movements. Even we have the site to monitor the whale movements, it should be too late to make the decision when the whales already do their actions on the market. It is actually quite annoying but sometimes we can also get the advantage from their actions. For example when they dump the market, it is our chance to buy coins at cheap prices.

By the way, learning trading has nothing to do with whales manipulation. Even there is no whales manipulation, learning is always needed in trading. It is the only way to get proper knowledge in trading.

[bayu7adi]

By the way, learning trading has nothing to do with whales manipulation. Even there is no whales manipulation, learning is always needed in trading. It is the only way to get proper knowledge in trading.

It has been studied carefully, but it is still inaccurate... that is why people who learn cryptocurrency trading begin to realize the existence of whales that can move the market in the opposite direction to what has been learned... the science has never been studied, but the feeling of it can arise through their instincts....

Someone must have also realized, and thought when they encountered something strange, they immediately said "this must be the work of whales" ... which means, there is a seed of knowledge about the existence of whales and also the whales' strategy to move the market... yes even though it is only a seed, which means it cannot be used as a definite reference as a decision maker, but at least it exists even though the accuracy is poor.

Whales exist, and their movement patterns are what make us curious and start studying them.. especially for those of us who do not have access to their relationship chain.

[NotATether]

If a whale wants to "manipulate" the price that usually means they are trying to get the asset to dump by selling a lot of it, before buying it all back at the cheaper price in order to make more gains and cause a what I like to call a tsunami of price rises, leaving the whale richer than before.

It is not a new tactic at all, it is actually a very old technique used since the Rothschilds 200 years ago.