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Re: Gamling as a entertainment
« Reply #135 on: August 27, 2024, 07:35:48 PM »
The issue of gambling addiction is very complex and different people have different ways in which it affects them, the way Mr. A's addiction affects him may completely be different from how it affects Mr. B. So when considering each person's addiction, it's important to look at each person's circumstances individually,  like the emotional viewpoint, the circumstances as well as each person's personality which contributes to their addiction.
Yes the major causes of addiction is mostly linked to financial, psychological and emotional issues, and it's important to locate which is the root cause as it'll help one know the necessary steps towards addressing the addiction.
It might affect them in different ways, but the effect between the two of them are negative and it will affect their life depending on how they will face the situation that they're currently in.

Mr. A might be addicted, but he has a huge support from his family. That way, the effect would be lesser compared to Mr. B. that is also addicted to gambling but unfortunately, he has nothing to lean on and he has nothing to say his current situation. That would have a much larger effect towards his life. Getting addicted to gambling has many reasons to start with, but it's very hard to stop once you're into it already. In fact, the WHO sees gambling addiction far worse than getting addicted to drugs, and the effects? It's way worse and it's very hard to recover from it... or I should say you can still recover but it will take time and it's harder.

Locating the root cause might be a big step towards the recovery of the addicted gambler, but rehabilitating and support coming from other people would make the recovery way faster.

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« Reply #136 on: August 27, 2024, 08:17:49 PM »
the WHO sees gambling addiction far worse than getting addicted to drugs, and the effects? It's way worse and it's very hard to recover from it... or I should say you can still recover but it will take time and it's harder.

Locating the root cause might be a big step towards the recovery of the addicted gambler, but rehabilitating and support coming from other people would make the recovery way faster.
The only reason why gambling addiction could be seen as a more serious and dangerous type of addiction compared to drug or any other form of addiction is because gambling addiction is more of a psychological problem or disorder, and treating these kinds of disorders would require more attention and time compared to drug addiction. A drug addiction can go a day without doing drugs or he can be able to ration just how much quantity of drugs he'd want to consume for that day because he'll have the consciousness that taking an overdose could stop his heartbeat and end his life, but this isn't the case with gambling addiction,  until an addicted gamblers is completely drained, he may never stop to gamble, and even when the gambler is completely drained, he may still sort for ways to take up loans or even sell off his belongings just to satisfy his addiction until he is completely out of options.

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Re: Gamling as a entertainment
« Reply #137 on: August 27, 2024, 08:34:52 PM »
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Before we talk about the different between A and B addicted gamblers we have to know how they became addicted. Because I believe the ways to addiction are all the same. Because all chase for loses, and greediness are the major causes of gambling addiction. The A and B might face the same problem at the end. Addiction is addiction. And what lead to the addiction is the major thing to discuss. Are they different? No. Therefore their problems will not be different as well. We are talking about gambling addiction and not life problems. And if someone took gambling as a fun or entertainment then that gambler would not be addicted with gambling because he only there to gamble but when the person is there to win and continue to win then it is clear that he end up with addiction. So there is no A and B there again. All have the same motive.

And for them to come out from gambling addiction is for them to remove that greedy mindset of winning big and be contented with what they always have. Don't visit the casino frequently or lock or delete the account.

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Re: Gamling as a entertainment
« Reply #138 on: August 27, 2024, 10:26:33 PM »

I don't doubt it, but for that I have always given the secret to be Successful , first control the balance that we are going to spend, or what they call the money available to lose, there you control emotions, impulses and everything, because if you spend what you are willing to lose there is nothing to do, it is already lost, it is assumed and ready , now if you win then you steal and enjoy, but never ever should you deposit more or try to recover what was lost , this applies to trading and gambling , because Greed, greed is what makes us lose that control.
I think you've summed it all up without leaving anything behind. Another thing to know is that, all the above listed facts are mostly influenced by a gambler's perception of gambling and how it should be approached. People encounter several problems with gambling, simply because of their perception of gambling. Maybe when they were introduced to gambling, the person whom introduced them first gave them a wrong perception of what gambling really is and how it should be approached, the person may have told them that he had a problem a certain time and he needed financial assistance, and that it was gambling that helped them out of the problem by winning a huge amount of money, even if the story is true, it still paints the wrong view of gambling and it makes people see the dangerous side of gambling which has its negative impacts on people who approach it that way.  Gambling should be for fun and some for the thrill of the game and not solely to make money, and if it's not approached that way, there will certainly be consequences.
Yes, without a doubt things when it comes to gambling, sports betting always have to be seen that way in terms of fun, what happens is that as I said before, emotions and everything that we sometimes do not control like greed can lead to making bad decisions, for that reason we have to be very aware when playing, it is better to control everything than for the game to control us , I will always say that as humans we should always control every activity even if it is Related to money.
It is not only any activity related to money that we should control but control every activities that we partake in because too much of everything is bad and can lead to a different problem. Any activity that one can be addicted to should be done with caution and in the lowest minimal so that we don't get trapped in it. The best way to control your gambling activities is to only game with an amount that you can afford to lose and see gambling as a means of entertainment and not a means of getting rich.

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Re: Gamling as a entertainment
« Reply #139 on: August 27, 2024, 11:59:07 PM »
It is not only any activity related to money that we should control but control every activities that we partake in because too much of everything is bad and can lead to a different problem. Any activity that one can be addicted to should be done with caution and in the lowest minimal so that we don't get trapped in it. The best way to control your gambling activities is to only game with an amount that you can afford to lose and see gambling as a means of entertainment and not a means of getting rich.
I totally agree with you, I have a friend who loved playing video games, he so much enjoyed it that he became so engrossed with it, and as harmless as video games were to many people, this friend of mine spent too much time in it that got the best part of him, and he got so addicted to gambling that he couldn't spare time for any other activity,  his love for video game not only obstructed his chores and activities at home but other important activities generally in his life, it was so bad that he'd lock himself inside his room and play games all day and this addiction really affected every areas of his life, from his relationship with his family to his businesses with others, this went on for about a year or two before he realised how much damage this has caused him and was still causing him and with the help of his family he was able to fight the addiction. This type of gambling didn't involve money but it still has terrible effects on him.

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Re: Gamling as a entertainment
« Reply #140 on: August 28, 2024, 01:58:25 PM »
It is not only any activity related to money that we should control but control every activities that we partake in because too much of everything is bad and can lead to a different problem. Any activity that one can be addicted to should be done with caution and in the lowest minimal so that we don't get trapped in it. The best way to control your gambling activities is to only game with an amount that you can afford to lose and see gambling as a means of entertainment and not a means of getting rich.
I totally agree with you, I have a friend who loved playing video games, he so much enjoyed it that he became so engrossed with it, and as harmless as video games were to many people, this friend of mine spent too much time in it that got the best part of him, and he got so addicted to gambling that he couldn't spare time for any other activity,  his love for video game not only obstructed his chores and activities at home but other important activities generally in his life, it was so bad that he'd lock himself inside his room and play games all day and this addiction really affected every areas of his life, from his relationship with his family to his businesses with others, this went on for about a year or two before he realised how much damage this has caused him and was still causing him and with the help of his family he was able to fight the addiction. This type of gambling didn't involve money but it still has terrible effects on him.
Well, that's something I often find in my environment. Indeed, they don't spend money to play video games, unlike gambling. But still, the time they spend is very much and becomes unproductive.

The problem is they always complain about not having a job, while all they do is play video games all day. Because if they could reduce their habits a little, I think there are many things they can do that can make money.

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Re: Gamling as a entertainment
« Reply #141 on: August 28, 2024, 02:26:16 PM »
Well, that's something I often find in my environment. Indeed, they don't spend money to play video games, unlike gambling. But still, the time they spend is very much and becomes unproductive.

The problem is they always complain about not having a job, while all they do is play video games all day. Because if they could reduce their habits a little, I think there are many things they can do that can make money.
Yeah people who have these types of addiction don't often feel the effect at first, they don't even see it as a bad thing because they're not losing money like in the Case of gambling addiction, neither does it have any direct effect on their health like in the Case of drug addiction, on the contrary they view it as having fun, which is actually true  to some, gaming can actually be fun and some can even make money from it in some case, for instance those gamers who are stream their gaming experiences and performances, they use them as contents to generate traffic online, people join their channels  stream their contents and they earn from it, this infant can be a positive impact on some, while also having a negative impact on those who spend more time on play games and instead earning or benefiting from it, it claims their time and energy and even interferes with their relationship with family and other important areas of their life.

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Re: Gamling as a entertainment
« Reply #142 on: August 28, 2024, 09:23:45 PM »
the WHO sees gambling addiction far worse than getting addicted to drugs, and the effects? It's way worse and it's very hard to recover from it... or I should say you can still recover but it will take time and it's harder.

Locating the root cause might be a big step towards the recovery of the addicted gambler, but rehabilitating and support coming from other people would make the recovery way faster.
The only reason why gambling addiction could be seen as a more serious and dangerous type of addiction compared to drug or any other form of addiction is because gambling addiction is more of a psychological problem or disorder, and treating these kinds of disorders would require more attention and time compared to drug addiction. A drug addiction can go a day without doing drugs or he can be able to ration just how much quantity of drugs he'd want to consume for that day because he'll have the consciousness that taking an overdose could stop his heartbeat and end his life, but this isn't the case with gambling addiction,  until an addicted gamblers is completely drained, he may never stop to gamble, and even when the gambler is completely drained, he may still sort for ways to take up loans or even sell off his belongings just to satisfy his addiction until he is completely out of options.
That's the reason why it's more dangerous and it's very hard to recover from it. What's worse is that, there are some gamblers out there who doesn't know that they are addicted into it already. There are some gamblers out there that doesn't know that they already are spending a lot of money on gambling that it is affecting their life negatively. There are some gamblers out there who are spending more time and money on gambling that it affected their relationship with their family and other members.

Drug addiction is bad, but gambling addiction is way, way worse than it. This is also the reason why I don't spend that much money in gambling and I always make sure that I will stick to my budget, and will not deposit more and recover those losses (just incase I lose it all). It's very hard to overcome gambling addiction, but it doesn't mean that you can't do it.

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Re: Gamling as a entertainment
« Reply #143 on: August 28, 2024, 09:32:46 PM »
It is not only any activity related to money that we should control but control every activities that we partake in because too much of everything is bad and can lead to a different problem. Any activity that one can be addicted to should be done with caution and in the lowest minimal so that we don't get trapped in it. The best way to control your gambling activities is to only game with an amount that you can afford to lose and see gambling as a means of entertainment and not a means of getting rich.
I totally agree with you, I have a friend who loved playing video games, he so much enjoyed it that he became so engrossed with it, and as harmless as video games were to many people, this friend of mine spent too much time in it that got the best part of him, and he got so addicted to gambling that he couldn't spare time for any other activity,  his love for video game not only obstructed his chores and activities at home but other important activities generally in his life, it was so bad that he'd lock himself inside his room and play games all day and this addiction really affected every areas of his life, from his relationship with his family to his businesses with others, this went on for about a year or two before he realised how much damage this has caused him and was still causing him and with the help of his family he was able to fight the addiction. This type of gambling didn't involve money but it still has terrible effects on him.
Well, that's something I often find in my environment. Indeed, they don't spend money to play video games, unlike gambling. But still, the time they spend is very much and becomes unproductive.

The problem is they always complain about not having a job, while all they do is play video games all day. Because if they could reduce their habits a little, I think there are many things they can do that can make money.
It is a norm that something you do always can make you always think of doing it all the time, even when sleeping you are seeing yourself doing it and when you are alone you want to do it. Just like the video game that you said above. I was also a fan of video games and I love playing and spending a lot of time on it. But the difference between video game and gamble is that you will not lose anything but enjoy the fun by playing over and over again. While in gambling, you are using money meaning you are losing the funds that you are suppose to use for important things. That alone can make you become emotional and when you get addicted, you are finished because whenever you have funds you gamble with it.

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« Reply #144 on: August 28, 2024, 10:53:30 PM »
That's the reason why it's more dangerous and it's very hard to recover from it. What's worse is that, there are some gamblers out there who doesn't know that they are addicted into it already. There are some gamblers out there that doesn't know that they already are spending a lot of money on gambling that it is affecting their life negatively. There are some gamblers out there who are spending more time and money on gambling that it affected their relationship with their family and other members.
And it is even more problematic for those who are already addicted but don't even know it, because it becomes almost impossible for them to recover from that addiction. For an addict to recover from his addiction, he first needs to acknowledge the fact that he is addicted and that the addiction is having a disastrous effect on them, that's the only way they can actually motivation to work on themselves towards fighting their addiction. But when an addicted fellow doesn't even realize that he's addicted and that, he won't see reasons to quit it, he may even feel insulted when you try to approach them or advice them about working on their addiction.

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« Reply #145 on: August 29, 2024, 02:00:55 PM »
Well, that's something I often find in my environment. Indeed, they don't spend money to play video games, unlike gambling. But still, the time they spend is very much and becomes unproductive.

The problem is they always complain about not having a job, while all they do is play video games all day. Because if they could reduce their habits a little, I think there are many things they can do that can make money.
It is a norm that something you do always can make you always think of doing it all the time, even when sleeping you are seeing yourself doing it and when you are alone you want to do it. Just like the video game that you said above. I was also a fan of video games and I love playing and spending a lot of time on it. But the difference between video game and gamble is that you will not lose anything but enjoy the fun by playing over and over again. While in gambling, you are using money meaning you are losing the funds that you are suppose to use for important things. That alone can make you become emotional and when you get addicted, you are finished because whenever you have funds you gamble with it.
I am also a person who likes video games, but when it has become an addiction until we forget the time, then it is still something wrong in my opinion.

You are right, maybe we will not lose money when playing video games, but if the time we spend is too much, it is also bad. How many opportunities might we miss while we play video games? Anything done excessively is not good.

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« Reply #146 on: August 29, 2024, 02:24:56 PM »
You are right, maybe we will not lose money when playing video games, but if the time we spend is too much, it is also bad. How many opportunities might we miss while we play video games? Anything done excessively is not good.
I'm sure you must have already heard the popular saying about time being money, time is money so every time you lose or waste on irrelevances means you've also wasted money, so if you're addicted to video game and you overspend time on it, giving the time you're supposed to be spending on other things to the video game would cost you a lot, cos that time could be the time you should've used to work and earn money, but you waste it on video games because of your addiction for gambling,  that simply means you've lost that money you could have added to your account, simply because you've invested that time on the wrong thing. But when you only play video games just to receive stress and anxiety,  then it'll have a positive impact on you rather than negative.

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Re: Gamling as a entertainment
« Reply #147 on: August 29, 2024, 02:47:03 PM »
Is correct to say that wasting time is wasting money? It works only when you are able to earn. Otherwise I have lost tons of money during first 14-16 years of my life. Or simply sitting in the chair means loosing money. Btw, I have earned my first money with video games when I was 16. I have sold some in-game gold. So it depends on how you use video games. Some really use games as a way to relax, some games to earn (professional gamers). Nevertheless, gambling is an entertainment for me, expensive entertainment. With video games, I had to buy a game, probably a console or pc, gaming subscription. Same goes with gambling. I buy spins and bets for entertainment.
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Re: Gamling as a entertainment
« Reply #148 on: August 29, 2024, 03:48:29 PM »
Well, that's something I often find in my environment. Indeed, they don't spend money to play video games, unlike gambling. But still, the time they spend is very much and becomes unproductive.

The problem is they always complain about not having a job, while all they do is play video games all day. Because if they could reduce their habits a little, I think there are many things they can do that can make money.
It is a norm that something you do always can make you always think of doing it all the time, even when sleeping you are seeing yourself doing it and when you are alone you want to do it. Just like the video game that you said above. I was also a fan of video games and I love playing and spending a lot of time on it. But the difference between video game and gamble is that you will not lose anything but enjoy the fun by playing over and over again. While in gambling, you are using money meaning you are losing the funds that you are suppose to use for important things. That alone can make you become emotional and when you get addicted, you are finished because whenever you have funds you gamble with it.
I am also a person who likes video games, but when it has become an addiction until we forget the time, then it is still something wrong in my opinion.

You are right, maybe we will not lose money when playing video games, but if the time we spend is too much, it is also bad. How many opportunities might we miss while we play video games? Anything done excessively is not good.

Today I heard from a psychologist (YouTube interview) who said that regular computer games are the first step to gambling. And I critically disagree. Computer games give excitement and interest in their plot, but nothing more. It is possible that opening chests and cases erases the line between the game and gambling, but I don’t really believe in this either.
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Re: Gamling as a entertainment
« Reply #149 on: August 29, 2024, 03:58:34 PM »
I also disagree with that. Even though some of the game elements might look like gambling, video games and online gambling (probably this is the case) are different. This is as same as saying that first sip of an alcohol is the first step to alcoholism, which makes anyone who has ever tried alcohol as an alcoholic. Video games can be addictive, but as much as gambling. With video games, you dont need a specialist to help you to stop playing. The formula video games = entertainment, gambling = entertainment, video games = gambling does not work.
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