⚽ Bundesliga 2024/25 discussion and predictions thread ⚽

[pawel7777]

Unbelievable with VfB Stuttgart achievement in this season success moving down Bayern Munich to third standings position and the first time Stuttgart success finish as 2nd place. (...)

It's not the first time they achieved 2nd place in the league, in fact, they reached for the championship 5 times in the past and ended up as runner-up also on 5 occasions.
But yeah, they're not very consistent in their performances between the seasons. In 2022/23, they finished in 16th place and were lucky to avoid relegation, in the season before, they were 15th, so last year's 2nd place is really something unusual and it will be a real challenge to end up at the top this season.
They haven't finished in the top 3 for 2 seasons in a row since the early 80s.

[Harkorede]

Yes, Stuttgart's achievement last season as runner-up was truly an extraordinary achievement. Even in that season, they achieved several records in the club. At least that is:
- Serhou Guirassy became one of their top scorers in the Bundesliga
- The number of points they increased from last season to the 2023-2024 season was extraordinary, from only 33 points in 2022/2023 to 73 points in 2023/2024, with an increase of more than 100%, which is 40 points.
- Stuttgart's total victory was 23 wins, which is also one of their club records so far

However, for the 2024/2025 season, we don't know whether this club will still be as productive and strong or not. What is clear is that one of their mainstay players and top scorer, Serhou Guirassy, ​​has been bought by Dortmund.

https://www.beinsports.com/en-my/football/bundesliga/articles/stuttgart-set-club-record-with-victory-over-augsburg-2024-05-10
https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/record-breaking-guirassy-target-stuttgart-win-union-berlin-2023-10-21/

Unbelievable with VfB Stuttgart achievement in this season success moving down Bayern Munich to third standings position and the first time Stuttgart success finish as 2nd place. But last season I doubt they can repeat their success achievement after selling their top scorer Serhou Guirassy to Dortmund and huge pressure will play in Champion League but have consistent playing in domestic league.
Current activities transfer, VfB Stuttgart not sign any top players right now and its bad prepare team because they will play in Champion League and must defend the top fourth standings in domestic league.

It's very funny and sad at the same time that most of us didn't even take not of Stuttgart achievement as well last, there were considered a relegation bound candidate before the season began, if I'm not mistaken, but their achievement was completely overshadowed by Bayer Leverkusen being the talk of the season, and I even completely forgot that they finished 2nd place, or never paid any attention to it at all.

My big question is; I know Bayer Leverkusen was head above heels better than other teams in the league last season, but was it that both Stuttgart and Bayer Leverkusen were really that good, or it was just Bayer Munich that were really awful ??, although both statements can be true and co-exist.

[vegasus]

It's very funny and sad at the same time that most of us didn't even take not of Stuttgart achievement as well last, there were considered a relegation bound candidate before the season began, if I'm not mistaken, but their achievement was completely overshadowed by Bayer Leverkusen being the talk of the season, and I even completely forgot that they finished 2nd place, or never paid any attention to it at all.

Yes, that's right. They are indeed in the bottom 3 zones, in the relegation zone with Schalke and Hertha. But fortunately, they managed to win during the play-off and finally were able to re-enter the Bundesliga. And it's true, in fact, in terms of their achievements, Stuttgart's point achievement level broke the record. And their performance is truly extraordinary. But yes, this club is still not too striking because it is covered by Leverkusen's achievements which are also extraordinary. But on the other hand, imagine, a relegation club then finally managed to surpass Bayern Leverkusen by making them runner-up, 1 level above Bayern Leverkusen. This is also a truly extraordinary achievement.

[Harkorede]

It's very funny and sad at the same time that most of us didn't even take not of Stuttgart achievement as well last, there were considered a relegation bound candidate before the season began, if I'm not mistaken, but their achievement was completely overshadowed by Bayer Leverkusen being the talk of the season, and I even completely forgot that they finished 2nd place, or never paid any attention to it at all.

Yes, that's right. They are indeed in the bottom 3 zones, in the relegation zone with Schalke and Hertha. But fortunately, they managed to win during the play-off and finally were able to re-enter the Bundesliga. And it's true, in fact, in terms of their achievements, Stuttgart's point achievement level broke the record. And their performance is truly extraordinary. But yes, this club is still not too striking because it is covered by Leverkusen's achievements which are also extraordinary. But on the other hand, imagine, a relegation club then finally managed to surpass Bayern Leverkusen by making them runner-up, 1 level above Bayern Leverkusen. This is also a truly extraordinary achievement.

That means we'll be witnessing a non so typical teams representing the Bundesliga in the champions league, while that would be detrimental for the league, it would also mean a bit stronger teams would be representing them in the likes of the Europa league, and Europa Conference League.

It's going to be a bit strange for the German teams in the champions league this season, I'd say.

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Last season's success by Bayer Leverkusen will cast a very great shadow on whatever they do or achieve this coming season, except they're able to replicate the league doubles again, they were close to getting the treble, If not for Lookman Ademola and Atalanta that deprived them of that chance, with the level of expectation and pressure that will be exerted on Leverkusen, I don't even think they'd finish in the top 4. However, I'm hoping that I'll be proved wrong by the team.

Yes, it was very unfortunate when they failed to achieve the treble winner, even though it was in front of them, but Atalanta managed to beat them and stop Leverkusen's unbeaten record last season.

They have a great chance to achieve the same achievement again as long as they can perform consistently and not decline. Because the opponents they will face will also know what their current strength is like, so it will be a new challenge.Yes, it was very unfortunate when they failed to achieve the treble winner, even though it was in front of them, but Atalanta managed to beat them and stop Leverkusen's unbeaten record last season.

They have a great chance to achieve the same achievement again as long as they can perform consistently and not decline. Because the opponents they will face will also know what their current strength is like, so it will be a new challenge.

[Roseline492]

Exactly. Bayern's success in winning the Bundesliga in a row for the last 11 years has made the Bundesliga less interesting.
The competition only occurs for second place in the standings, it is different compared to La Liga or the Premier League.
But the final standings of the 2023/2024 season have made the Bundesliga interesting again, fantastic performances from Leverkusen and Stuttgart have increased the enthusiasm of fans to watch the Bundesliga.

You are right because the reason why Bundesliga was not that interesting seasons ago was actually because they were repeatedly winning by Bayern Munich and at the moment Bayern Leverkusen decided to take a bold step this season it gives another interesting shape for the Bundesliga because those who don't always like to watch Bundesliga matches began to develop interest.

Actually I just wish all the season will be like this finished season because of the competition, though I no that this upcoming season will be very interesting for Bundesliga but I don't know if another club will be able to take over the performance of Bayern Leverkusen Because I don't think Bayern Leverkusen will still be able to come back with there previous performance again.

[pawel7777]

You are right because the reason why Bundesliga was not that interesting seasons ago was actually because they were repeatedly winning by Bayern Munich and at the moment Bayern Leverkusen decided to take a bold step this season it gives another interesting shape for the Bundesliga because those who don't always like to watch Bundesliga matches began to develop interest.

Having one team winning multiple times in a row is not necessarily a problem on its own. i.e. in 2022/23 Bayern indeed won, but there was a lot of drama and emotions up until the very end. They ended up with the same number of points as BvB (71) and won only by a better goal difference.
The more excitement there is, the more interesting the league becomes.
But yeah, Leverkusen winning in such a dominating way will surely make things much more interesting.

[armanda90]

Having one team winning multiple times in a row is not necessarily a problem on its own. i.e. in 2022/23 Bayern indeed won, but there was a lot of drama and emotions up until the very end. They ended up with the same number of points as BvB (71) and won only by a better goal difference.
The more excitement there is, the more interesting the league becomes.
But yeah, Leverkusen winning in such a dominating way will surely make things much more interesting.

Last two season, Bayern Munich performed not consistent yet and remember how difficult for winning Bundesliga trophy on season 2022/23 after fatal mistake from Dortmund indeed both team have the same points. Bayern on season 2022/23 need on last game week become the winner and last season their performance poor drastically by finish as third standings position.
Not sure with next season for Bayern Munich will easily get dominance back win Bundesliga trophy, many team have top qualities players from Dortmund and Bayern Leverkusen will be difficult opponent teams.

[sampoerna]

- Serhou Guirassy became one of their top scorers in the Bundesliga
- The number of points they increased from last season to the 2023-2024 season was extraordinary, from only 33 points in 2022/2023 to 73 points in 2023/2024, with an increase of more than 100%, which is 40 points.
- Stuttgart's total victory was 23 wins, which is also one of their club records so far

Well, indeed the statistics that Stuttgart can record are very good so that they managed to become runners-up and this is an achievement that they rarely get or even this is the first time they have managed to be in this position.

If they can maintain their performance last season and return to put pressure on the Bundesliga, it will be a very good thing. Because usually teams like them actually decline drastically after they go through a very good season.

Exactly, this is a job that will be quite tough for VfB Stuttgart, especially for Sebastian Hoeneß to manage his squad back to their excellent performance in the 2023/2024 season. And this will be a challenge for him to bring Stuttgart to a bigger competition besides the Bundesliga, namely the UCL.

Meanwhile, on the other hand, it seems that several key players from this club have been targeted by several other big clubs. One of them that has been rumored lately is Waldemar Anton who is rumored to be targeted by Dortmund, their rivals in the Bundesliga.

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Well, indeed the statistics that Stuttgart can record are very good so that they managed to become runners-up and this is an achievement that they rarely get or even this is the first time they have managed to be in this position.

If they can maintain their performance last season and return to put pressure on the Bundesliga, it will be a very good thing. Because usually teams like them actually decline drastically after they go through a very good season.

Exactly, this is a job that will be quite tough for VfB Stuttgart, especially for Sebastian Hoeneß to manage his squad back to their excellent performance in the 2023/2024 season. And this will be a challenge for him to bring Stuttgart to a bigger competition besides the Bundesliga, namely the UCL.

Meanwhile, on the other hand, it seems that several key players from this club have been targeted by several other big clubs. One of them that has been rumored lately is Waldemar Anton who is rumored to be targeted by Dortmund, their rivals in the Bundesliga.

Usually maintaining will be more difficult than starting, because there will be vigilance from other teams that is different from before. Apart from that, players who performed well before will be targeted by big teams, so that is also something they have to think about.

The new season will start soon, we will see their journey next season with the target that they want to maintain their performance like last season at least. or if they are able they must improve to become even better.

[armanda90]

Exactly, this is a job that will be quite tough for VfB Stuttgart, especially for Sebastian Hoeneß to manage his squad back to their excellent performance in the 2023/2024 season. And this will be a challenge for him to bring Stuttgart to a bigger competition besides the Bundesliga, namely the UCL.

Meanwhile, on the other hand, it seems that several key players from this club have been targeted by several other big clubs. One of them that has been rumored lately is Waldemar Anton who is rumored to be targeted by Dortmund, their rivals in the Bundesliga.

Selling the top scorer team last season become difficult job for VfB Stuttgart manager Sebastian Hoeneß how to manage well for next season keep consistent his team performance in domestic league and UEFA Champion League.
After absent for longer time, VfB Stuttgart will participants in Champion League next and have improve well their performance in domestic league keep defend the top fourth standings.
Most awesome with VfB Stuttgart result last season, finish on 2nd place and get qualified to champion league will be difficult how to defend their top performance next season.

[Rruchi man]

The new season will start soon, we will see their journey next season with the target that they want to maintain their performance like last season at least. or if they are able they must improve to become even better.

Bayern Munich are looking really good under Vincent Kompany already. I am already anticipating seeing them play in the Bundesliga next season and see how they perform in their very first few games because in the pre-season games so far, they have been very good with the attacks. Did anyone watch them play against Tottenham? they won the game, scored their first goal in the first five minutes of the game, and dominated the game. They play Tottenham again on the 10th of this month, and I still do not think They will lose that game.

Vincent Kompany is winning the fans over with these good results.

[koang]

Bayern Munich are looking really good under Vincent Kompany already. I am already anticipating seeing them play in the Bundesliga next season and see how they perform in their very first few games because in the pre-season games so far, they have been very good with the attacks. Did anyone watch them play against Tottenham? they won the game, scored their first goal in the first five minutes of the game, and dominated the game. They play Tottenham again on the 10th of this month, and I still do not think They will lose that game.

Vincent Kompany is winning the fans over with these good results.

Coaches, like players, can move up, regardless of the results they get.
Is the coach who once played for Hamburg SV and speaks fluent German, but whose ability was questioned at Burnley, is the answer Bayern has been waiting for? IDK, time will tell
Personally, I still doubt Kompany's ability to coach Bayern but I can't wait to see how he plays his football in the Bundesliga.

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The new season will start soon, we will see their journey next season with the target that they want to maintain their performance like last season at least. or if they are able they must improve to become even better.

Bayern Munich are looking really good under Vincent Kompany already. I am already anticipating seeing them play in the Bundesliga next season and see how they perform in their very first few games because in the pre-season games so far, they have been very good with the attacks. Did anyone watch them play against Tottenham? they won the game, scored their first goal in the first five minutes of the game, and dominated the game. They play Tottenham again on the 10th of this month, and I still do not think They will lose that game.

Vincent Kompany is winning the fans over with these good results.

Yes I can understand why you say Bayern Munich are doing well under Kompany, because you must have seen their pre-season games to say that. But are they really as good as you say just because they played well in pre-season?

It is important to remember that in pre-season games everything is uncertain, because teams are not usually at their best, either themselves or the teams they are facing, so for me it is still a bit of a grey area.

[Sim_card]

Exactly. Bayern's success in winning the Bundesliga in a row for the last 11 years has made the Bundesliga less interesting.
The competition only occurs for second place in the standings, it is different compared to La Liga or the Premier League.
But the final standings of the 2023/2024 season have made the Bundesliga interesting again, fantastic performances from Leverkusen and Stuttgart have increased the enthusiasm of fans to watch the Bundesliga.

You are right because the reason why Bundesliga was not that interesting seasons ago was actually because they were repeatedly winning by Bayern Munich and at the moment Bayern Leverkusen decided to take a bold step this season it gives another interesting shape for the Bundesliga because those who don't always like to watch Bundesliga matches began to develop interest.

Actually I just wish all the season will be like this finished season because of the competition, though I no that this upcoming season will be very interesting for Bundesliga but I don't know if another club will be able to take over the performance of Bayern Leverkusen Because I don't think Bayern Leverkusen will still be able to come back with there previous performance again.

I am hoping to see a new club win Bundesliga next season because I know that it will be impossible for Bayern or Leverkusen to win it again. Kompany is a good new who needs to study the players and teach them his new football pattern and that might takes some time for the players to blend in with the new pattern. That alone might make Bayern not to be consistent in the beginning. Leverkusen might not be able to have their best moments next season like they did last season. I love seeing surprises because that is what makes football unpredictable.