What are your thoughts on Universal Basic Income (UBI)

[libert19]

At your current status, what would be the effect of the UBI to you if you got this monthly for a year?  Are you in favor of UBI or not?

Any money is good, I would feel less forced to work and what I would do will be more natural and I consider it a huge win.

I am in favor of UBI but I live in a corrupt nation, and if UBI were to be implemented, the poor people will not get benefit of it and rather the system will be abused by rich.

[electronicash]

At your current status, what would be the effect of the UBI to you if you got this monthly for a year?  Are you in favor of UBI or not?

Any money is good, I would feel less forced to work and what I would do will be more natural and I consider it a huge win.

I am in favor of UBI but I live in a corrupt nation, and if UBI were to be implemented, the poor people will not get benefit of it and rather the system will be abused by rich.

you just can't trust government officials when the corruption is already rampant in the country. anything related to money seem to be rightfully owned by politicians before it could even be allocated to a projects budget.

you can only hope they will give at least 50% off the amount. and you will still be happy to accept those money since you needed the money badly even when they are to scan your eyes before you are given the funds.

its not the first time we heard off scanning eyes, the WorldCoin have been reported to have been scanning eyes of people willing to accept 50 WorldCoins. those who are victims of natural disasters and no homes already after a hurricane are probably going to just agree to this Worldcoin since they badly need it.

[Zed0X]

Instead of UBI, how about putting all that money into health care? I heard there were countries in Europe where it is basically free to go to a hospital. I think that is better than giving handouts to people who probably don't even deserve it. There could be some that might abuse it also but it's more controllable.

[Etranger]

Any money is good, I would feel less forced to work and what I would do will be more natural and I consider it a huge win.

I don't think it would work that way because Universal Basic Income assumes everyone would have it and that would put everyone exactly in the same position as it had been without UBI. Therefore, the need to work would remain the same, because social differentiation would remain at the same level.

[libert19]

Any money is good, I would feel less forced to work and what I would do will be more natural and I consider it a huge win.

I don't think it would work that way because Universal Basic Income assumes everyone would have it and that would put everyone exactly in the same position as it had been without UBI. Therefore, the need to work would remain the same, because social differentiation would remain at the same level.

Then what's is the point of having it? Or even such idea to exist?

[Etranger]

Any money is good, I would feel less forced to work and what I would do will be more natural and I consider it a huge win.

I don't think it would work that way because Universal Basic Income assumes everyone would have it and that would put everyone exactly in the same position as it had been without UBI. Therefore, the need to work would remain the same, because social differentiation would remain at the same level.

Then what's is the point of having it? Or even such idea to exist?

In countries with high inflation, I think, there is no point in Universal Basic Income. Because it will simply be leveled by the constant growth of prices. It will not increase the purchasing power of the population.

But in countries with a stable economy, which Switzerland is, the point is that a person has support from the state no matter what he does for a living. And if the economy is stable, then this support is really noticeable. But as I wrote above, this creates problems with taxes, as well as with the influx of emigrants who want to get an income, but at the same time do not want to work.

[ABCbits]

Are you in favor of UBI or not?

It mostly depends on the implementation. Aside from other concern which have been mentioned, it's worth to mention Worldbank estimate there are 1.1 billions people without ID or not registered as citizen[1]. IMO those people would receive major benefit from UBI compared with everyone else, but also unable to receive UBI since they don't have ID.

[1] https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/digital-development/counting-uncounted-11-billion-people-without-ids

[Etranger]

IMO those people would receive major benefit from UBI compared with everyone else, but also unable to receive UBI since they don't have ID.

The fact that there are people without an ID, who are not registered as citizens of any country, does not mean that they need UBI. They may have a normal financial situation, but for some reason, for example, political, they were deprived of citizenship of the country of their origin. So I do not think that this entire category of people would benefit from the introduction of Universal Basic Income. People choose to remain without documents for various reasons.

[ABCbits]

IMO those people would receive major benefit from UBI compared with everyone else, but also unable to receive UBI since they don't have ID.

The fact that there are people without an ID, who are not registered as citizens of any country, does not mean that they need UBI. They may have a normal financial situation, but for some reason, for example, political, they were deprived of citizenship of the country of their origin. So I do not think that this entire category of people would benefit from the introduction of Universal Basic Income. People choose to remain without documents for various reasons.

Sorry, but i failed to understand your point. Worldbank article i mentioned earlier state that,
1. More than half people without ID have lower-middle income.
2. About a third people without ID have low income.

I don't understand how you see lower-middle and low income as normal financial situation.

[Etranger]

IMO those people would receive major benefit from UBI compared with everyone else, but also unable to receive UBI since they don't have ID.

The fact that there are people without an ID, who are not registered as citizens of any country, does not mean that they need UBI. They may have a normal financial situation, but for some reason, for example, political, they were deprived of citizenship of the country of their origin. So I do not think that this entire category of people would benefit from the introduction of Universal Basic Income. People choose to remain without documents for various reasons.

Sorry, but i failed to understand your point. Worldbank article i mentioned earlier state that,
1. More than half people without ID have lower-middle income.
2. About a third people without ID have low income.

I don't understand how you see lower-middle and low income as normal financial situation.

I get what the article stated, but this does not mean that among those people who do not have ID, there are not those who earn above average or even more. In the end, there is still about a fifth that does not fall into the two categories you described above. And it was about them that my point was. That people for various reasons become stateless and this does not always accompanied by a difficult financial situation.

[target]

IMO those people would receive major benefit from UBI compared with everyone else, but also unable to receive UBI since they don't have ID.

The fact that there are people without an ID, who are not registered as citizens of any country, does not mean that they need UBI. They may have a normal financial situation, but for some reason, for example, political, they were deprived of citizenship of the country of their origin. So I do not think that this entire category of people would benefit from the introduction of Universal Basic Income. People choose to remain without documents for various reasons.

Sorry, but i failed to understand your point. Worldbank article i mentioned earlier state that,
1. More than half people without ID have lower-middle income.
2. About a third people without ID have low income.

I don't understand how you see lower-middle and low income as normal financial situation.

I get what the article stated, but this does not mean that among those people who do not have ID, there are not those who earn above average or even more. In the end, there is still about a fifth that does not fall into the two categories you described above. And it was about them that my point was. That people for various reasons become stateless and this does not always accompanied by a difficult financial situation.

When a migrant becomes part of the citizen of a country I guess he is going to be illegible to receive UBI. UBI distribution they say has condition from the government like the ones who supports Dems are the only who receives UBI.

UBI I think would be the solution since the government choses inflation and Tesla's Optimus seem to make people jobless too.

[rachael9385]

Yeah it will be a very nice one for government to start a project like this for the low class and less privileged. But it should have age limit and the places where this would be implemented, if I'm to be the one to be in charge of this kind of project I would go to local villages and make mostly widows and the less privileged from the age range of 60 upward. It may sound unpleasant but I'm talking based on the situation in my country if the government decides to give this money to young boys and girls then it has no meaning and value because they are going to be more relaxed at home and very lazy as well.
But sincerely speaking the government of my country won't carry this kind of wonderful project.

[target]

Yeah it will be a very nice one for government to start a project like this for the low class and less privileged. But it should have age limit and the places where this would be implemented, if I'm to be the one to be in charge of this kind of project I would go to local villages and make mostly widows and the less privileged from the age range of 60 upward. It may sound unpleasant but I'm talking based on the situation in my country if the government decides to give this money to young boys and girls then it has no meaning and value because they are going to be more relaxed at home and very lazy as well.
But sincerely speaking the government of my country won't carry this kind of wonderful project.

There would be a lot of people that will be left out with such plan.  If the government has to do this UBI plan, they would have to be inclusive otherwise there will be a revolt against the minority that's left out. But thehn the terms and conditions they might ask to the people will actually cause for some groups to be left out.

There will be people who will be lazy as a result of UBI but seem to have been hapen ing still despite no UBI. Studies shows GenZ are unemployable.

The real solution is harsher that's why they are saying recession can create strong men.

[DrBeer]

Universal Basic Income (UBI), is one piece of the mosaic that will add up to what is called “Universe 25.”
“Universe 25” is the most famous experiment to study rodent life under ideal conditions, all previous experiments having failed. 25 is the sequence number of the study, which began in July 1968 at the National Institute of Psychological Health in the United States. The study took place over a period of four years”.... I further recommend reading about the experiment itself, the results and conclusions.

You can not just create ideal conditions for people, playing noble humanism and kindness, these steps only worsen the situation, accumulating huge problems for the future, and when this future comes - to correct the problems is no longer possible.

... “Hard times give birth to strong people, strong people create easy times. Easy times create weak people.”

[target]

... “Hard times give birth to strong people, strong people create easy times. Easy times create weak people.”

As of now we are in the stage where it's easy times and people are weak or at least in some other parts of the world. In middle east or in far east, where people are working in a mine digging coals and catching fishes and she'll to eat, they are pretty strong that they may survive even if the world goes back to dark ages.

The UBI must be intended to those weak people these days.