The new AI Rule.

[Jokers]

But there is a text that says that, right? So that should cover it.

Yes, there's both a text and a badge, so it is easy to see. I'm sure all active campaign managers are aware about all common negative badges on the forum.

[dragononcrypto]

I wonder how the strike looks like because I haven't seen one before and where is it placed? Maybe in the same position as the badges, and what will differentiate a strike from a badge.
There are way too many badges already in some people's profile which could actually make it indistinguishable from a strike.

See an example user: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=133270.msg909863#msg909863. It's in the same position as the badges, as it is a badge.

Generally users with lots of badges don't end up with a strike, unless they are misbehaving badges 

They should put the strike on top of the forum profile picture, along with the rest of the rank data, unless they plan to make the strike badge a very bright color that will make it stand out among all the other badges, because I also share your worry that maybe people will somehow fail to see that this user is on a strike.

But there is a text that says that, right? So that should cover it.

By default it changes the users rank to 1st strike, unless they have been added to another naughty group like AI bot first, thus they would be labelled an AI bot anyway.

As Jokers said, campaign managers should otherwise beware of the misbehaving tags by now: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=180760.0

[KingsDen]

See an example user: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=133270.msg909863#msg909863. It's in the same position as the badges, as it is a badge.

Seen, in the same position as 2nd president 

As Jokers said, campaign managers should otherwise beware of the misbehaving tags by now: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=180760.0

Too many things to beware of. The best thing is just to use the forum in an honest and healthy way. Contribute to the growth of the forum and you are good.

[dragononcrypto]

See an example user: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=133270.msg909863#msg909863. It's in the same position as the badges, as it is a badge.

Seen, in the same position as 2nd president 

Indeed it's above rank even, doesn't replace it my bad. 2nd President is just my custom title though, it's just made up 

[Lucius]

Let me quote what admin wrote in one of the sticky.

- You can use AI, as long as it's not above 30%.

So I guess anything less than 30% won't be an issue but it's hardly possible to get accuracy of AI usage and also anyone uses AI will obviously get caught because we will see 100% AI contents for most of the contents created using AI tools unless they found a new way to make it undetectable.

I don't know if that rule is valid after the following was posted :

I love AI, it write great text create amazing images, but AI has no place in a discussion.

https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=324053.0

My opinion is also that there should not be AI-generated posts in discussions on the forum, because no matter how one looks at it, it is still a form of plagiarism - a text that someone posts, which is created with the help of AI, cannot be considered a "creation" of the same user.


@dragononcrypto, in case we suspect that AI is used in some posts, what is the best topic to report such a thing? I think that such a report should be accompanied by evidence, and that is not something that can be done through "report to moderator".

[dragononcrypto]

@dragononcrypto, in case we suspect that AI is used in some posts, what is the best topic to report such a thing?

You can post it in the report plagiarism topic for now (for reasons you mentioned): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=62494.0
No report topic exists yet, but should probably create one even if low demand. I'm sure it'd make Jokers happy lol.

I think that such a report should be accompanied by evidence, and that is not something that can be done through "report to moderator".

Not just that, but it's also something that needs to be dealt with by global mod in order to label as such and give warning etc.
Report to mod should only be for the following reasons: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=31311.0

[Lucius]

@dragononcrypto, thanks for the clarifications

The only thing I'm not sure about is whether we should take into account in such situations that we don't consider some post AI if the detected percentage is less than 30% (but very close to it)? Maybe some members adjusted their posts to exactly that rule, but the last thing that @admin wrote on that topic should cancel that rule?

I will put a link to this post in the chat, so I hope we will get a clear position on this.

+1

[dragononcrypto]

The only thing I'm not sure about is whether we should take into account in such situations that we don't consider some post AI if the detected percentage is less than 30% (but very close to it)? Maybe some members adjusted their posts to exactly that rule, but the last thing that @admin wrote on that topic should cancel that rule?

Have created report topic (as examplens has already reported AI posting I realise): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=180544.0.

If admin says less than 30% is ok then it's probably not worth reporting, but will let him answer that one. As far as I understand most of the AI detected has been well over 50% so far anyway (Jokers has caught dozens of users so far, hence the new badge), but will let them clarify that.

[libert19]

I went with 100% AI generated option as I believe AI tools can help with grammatical errors, make your own content then proof-read with AI, if you like, it's alright in my opinion.

...and anyhow, these AI tools sometimes show even purely human generated as an AI generated, if one were to go with second option — "If AI is detected, irrespective of what percentage."  then genuine users will get caught in crossfire.


Edit: Changed 'often' to 'sometimes'

[Jokers]

...and anyhow, these AI tools often show even purely human generated as an AI generated

Not often, but sometimes they do. We know and take that into account.

As far as I understand most of the AI detected has been well over 50% so far anyway (Jokers has caught dozens of users so far, hence the new badge), but will let them clarify that.

Of course more, but I don't want to give any concrete numbers so as not to provoke violators to manipulate the results to reach those numbers.

[examplens]

As far as I understand most of the AI detected has been well over 50% so far anyway (Jokers has caught dozens of users so far, hence the new badge), but will let them clarify that.

Of course more, but I don't want to give any concrete numbers so as not to provoke violators to manipulate the results to reach those numbers.

It can be like this, if the user writes one AI post out of 100, it can be acceptable. But if a user writes 99 out of 100 posts with the help of AI, then he deserves to be penalized and to delete all those posts.
It is completely irrelevant whether it is 30% or 50%.

[Jokers]

It can be like this, if the user writes one AI post out of 100, it can be acceptable. But if a user writes 99 out of 100 posts with the help of AI, then he deserves to be penalized and to delete all those posts.
It is completely irrelevant whether it is 30% or 50%.

These numbers are not the per cent of posts with AI usage found, it is about the numbers which are given by an AI detector. No single post should be AI generated if it is not clearly stated and attributed.

[KingsDen]

Have created report topic (as examplens has already reported AI posting I realise): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=180544.0.

If admin says less than 30% is ok then it's probably not worth reporting, but will let him answer that one. As far as I understand most of the AI detected has been well over 50% so far anyway (Jokers has caught dozens of users so far, hence the new badge), but will let them clarify that.

When using a tool that is under development or not very reliable, we need to give some kind of tolerance. In this case, it could be +/-20%. If this is so, an AI detection tool shows that a post is 50% plagiarised, when -20% is applied, it will become 30% plagerism and the victim will be safe.
So, it means any smart plagiarist might never be caught.

[Findingnemo]

Not just that, but it's also something that needs to be dealt with by global mod in order to label as such and give warning etc.
Report to mod should only be for the following reasons: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=31311.0

You're right even the admin explicitly stated not to report off topic and spam post, he told us to deal it with Karma and if they have been overdoing it then reporting it on the thread will be the right thing so they will get their tag/badge under their profile and will leave them market forever.

But this is the first time I have noticed the thread you mentioned, A lot of childboards sometimes make me feel lost,admin should merge some of them for sure.

[dragononcrypto]

But this is the first time I have noticed the thread you mentioned, A lot of childboards sometimes make me feel lost,admin should merge some of them for sure.

The topic is linked in the Karma thank/punish topic: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=657.0

The section is covered in the Help topic: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=180511.0

If you have read recommended documentation and wanted to know about this, then I believe you would have found the information 

Edit: Relevant posts from this thread have been moved to report AI topic: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=180544.0