Do you use a password manager?

[bitbit97]

The fact that I can get hacked and someone could watch and access passwords parallel me being busy at PC, without me not even knowing about it crosses all advantages of password manager.

WDYM?

As I understand there are hackers that not only get access to your pc, steal and leave, but monitor what you do, where you click and etc. They silently observe what I do. If all the time password manager autofill every time, there definitely will be a rare case when I would need to open/unlock/login to password manager manually. During that moment, user is vulnerable to a hacker. I dont believe that people who have password managers never open password list and search for something.

If I keep my work place organized, not a single person would dig into my papers in search of a passwords. During years of working in the office, lots of jobs and colleagues have been changed, and not a single one has touched or searched for something on my table. And at home the chances of that to happen are close to nothing.

I honestly don't have that much confidence in paper backups (I prefer offline password managers over it), but since it works for you, good for you.

So far cant complain. For me it is easier to re-write password to a new list if first is damaged, than to store offline. That "offline device" one day will get connected to the internet, at least to get updates. Who knows what happens during update download and installation.

[Cryptsafe]

So far cant complain. For me it is easier to re-write password to a new list if first is damaged, than to store offline. That "offline device" one day will get connected to the internet, at least to get updates. Who knows what happens during update download and installation.

I prefer to store my password in a book that only I have access to than using Google Cloud, password manager, or whatever you call it. I have experienced hacking before so I would never want that to repeat itself never. Storing passwords online or offline on a device is never safe because whenever a hacker gets access to your Google account, it is finished for you. After all, there is nothing you can do about it when they unleash their evil act on your information and details. We should learn to make it a priority to store our login details on pieces of paper or a notebook if we can so that we do not get hacked by putting it up there online.

[bitbit97]

You see, you have already experience of being hacked, you have already a negative experience with storing passwords on a device/software. But have you ever experienced of being robbed? Or a situation that someone stole something physical from you? I believe during your life people stole something from you, but I think that were wallet/money, or a gadget. Nobody would ever stole a notebook, book or piece of paper from you. You see where i'm going with this, nobody think of checking most obvious place of storying info and pay attention directly to devices or something digital.

[Cryptsafe]

You see, you have already experience of being hacked, you have already a negative experience with storing passwords on a device/software. But have you ever experienced of being robbed? Or a situation that someone stole something physical from you? I believe during your life people stole something from you, but I think that were wallet/money, or a gadget. Nobody would ever stole a notebook, book or piece of paper from you. You see where i'm going with this, nobody think of checking most obvious place of storying info and pay attention directly to devices or something digital.

This is food for thought. Truly, nobody thinks of stealing a book or paper from anybody because they are worthless and have no value. Yet, books and papers hold valuable access to treasures that could turn around an individual's perspective, reasoning, and mentality within minutes of reading them. They can store or hold vital sensitive information as it relates to private keys and details of important information we need. It is obvious that people do not see this aspect of safety for their online information as it is not valued for any reason and another being the fact that laziness is just always an excuse.

[libert19]

You see, you have already experience of being hacked, you have already a negative experience with storing passwords on a device/software. But have you ever experienced of being robbed? Or a situation that someone stole something physical from you? I believe during your life people stole something from you, but I think that were wallet/money, or a gadget. Nobody would ever stole a notebook, book or piece of paper from you. You see where i'm going with this, nobody think of checking most obvious place of storying info and pay attention directly to devices or something digital.

This is food for thought. Truly, nobody thinks of stealing a book or paper from anybody because they are worthless and have no value. Yet, books and papers hold valuable access to treasures that could turn around an individual's perspective, reasoning, and mentality within minutes of reading them. They can store or hold vital sensitive information as it relates to private keys and details of important information we need. It is obvious that people do not see this aspect of safety for their online information as it is not valued for any reason and another being the fact that laziness is just always an excuse.

Laziness? Not really. I have replied here before, I find paper backups really fragile, simply can't get myself to have enough confidence in these. Sure, it could be one type of backup, but only? Nope.

[bitbit97]

You see, you have already experience of being hacked, you have already a negative experience with storing passwords on a device/software. But have you ever experienced of being robbed? Or a situation that someone stole something physical from you? I believe during your life people stole something from you, but I think that were wallet/money, or a gadget. Nobody would ever stole a notebook, book or piece of paper from you. You see where i'm going with this, nobody think of checking most obvious place of storying info and pay attention directly to devices or something digital.

This is food for thought. Truly, nobody thinks of stealing a book or paper from anybody because they are worthless and have no value. Yet, books and papers hold valuable access to treasures that could turn around an individual's perspective, reasoning, and mentality within minutes of reading them. They can store or hold vital sensitive information as it relates to private keys and details of important information we need. It is obvious that people do not see this aspect of safety for their online information as it is not valued for any reason and another being the fact that laziness is just always an excuse.

Laziness? Not really. I have replied here before, I find paper backups really fragile, simply can't get myself to have enough confidence in these. Sure, it could be one type of backup, but only? Nope.

If you store password digitally, then between you and me, hacker have more chances to get you. A theft must work on a tip to break my locks, go to room and search table for a paper with passwords. I bet if someone breaks in, they would take quickly what is valuable in the hall, or go to living room, grab TV, consoles, laptops and run. In your case, just one mistake and extra click, and someone is already looking through your PC for valuable info, passwords, logins. What can happen to my paper? If I fold it million times it can be destroyed, if one of family members will through it away - but is unlikely to happen, as I keep my work table organized. Papers does not look like rubbish to be thrown away.

[Cryptsafe]

You see, you have already experience of being hacked, you have already a negative experience with storing passwords on a device/software. But have you ever experienced of being robbed? Or a situation that someone stole something physical from you? I believe during your life people stole something from you, but I think that were wallet/money, or a gadget. Nobody would ever stole a notebook, book or piece of paper from you. You see where i'm going with this, nobody think of checking most obvious place of storying info and pay attention directly to devices or something digital.

This is food for thought. Truly, nobody thinks of stealing a book or paper from anybody because they are worthless and have no value. Yet, books and papers hold valuable access to treasures that could turn around an individual's perspective, reasoning, and mentality within minutes of reading them. They can store or hold vital sensitive information as it relates to private keys and details of important information we need. It is obvious that people do not see this aspect of safety for their online information as it is not valued for any reason and another being the fact that laziness is just always an excuse.

Laziness? Not really. I have replied here before, I find paper backups really fragile, simply can't get myself to have enough confidence in these. Sure, it could be one type of backup, but only? Nope.

If you store password digitally, then between you and me, hacker have more chances to get you. A theft must work on a tip to break my locks, go to room and search table for a paper with passwords. I bet if someone breaks in, they would take quickly what is valuable in the hall, or go to living room, grab TV, consoles, laptops and run. In your case, just one mistake and extra click, and someone is already looking through your PC for valuable info, passwords, logins. What can happen to my paper? If I fold it million times it can be destroyed, if one of family members will through it away - but is unlikely to happen, as I keep my work table organized. Papers does not look like rubbish to be thrown away.

A thief would quickly do what they feel would save their time in the cause of stealing so they could hurriedly run away but I do not think they would think of stealing  book or paper not to talk of spending time to break a box just to steal paper  or book because they would prefer their safety to run in time but when online, the hacker could spend much time cracking codes and monitoring you without you knowing and thinking about it till it happens then your eyes would clear and that means they have been on you for quite some time waiting for the right time to strike.

 

[libert19]

You see, you have already experience of being hacked, you have already a negative experience with storing passwords on a device/software. But have you ever experienced of being robbed? Or a situation that someone stole something physical from you? I believe during your life people stole something from you, but I think that were wallet/money, or a gadget. Nobody would ever stole a notebook, book or piece of paper from you. You see where i'm going with this, nobody think of checking most obvious place of storying info and pay attention directly to devices or something digital.

This is food for thought. Truly, nobody thinks of stealing a book or paper from anybody because they are worthless and have no value. Yet, books and papers hold valuable access to treasures that could turn around an individual's perspective, reasoning, and mentality within minutes of reading them. They can store or hold vital sensitive information as it relates to private keys and details of important information we need. It is obvious that people do not see this aspect of safety for their online information as it is not valued for any reason and another being the fact that laziness is just always an excuse.

Laziness? Not really. I have replied here before, I find paper backups really fragile, simply can't get myself to have enough confidence in these. Sure, it could be one type of backup, but only? Nope.

If you store password digitally, then between you and me, hacker have more chances to get you. A theft must work on a tip to break my locks, go to room and search table for a paper with passwords. I bet if someone breaks in, they would take quickly what is valuable in the hall, or go to living room, grab TV, consoles, laptops and run. In your case, just one mistake and extra click, and someone is already looking through your PC for valuable info, passwords, logins. What can happen to my paper? If I fold it million times it can be destroyed, if one of family members will through it away - but is unlikely to happen, as I keep my work table organized. Papers does not look like rubbish to be thrown away.

I used to use lastpass which was apparently hacked — no loss to me but out of caution I moved to offline password managers — here you write passwords offline, these apps don't have Internet access, and backups are encrypted with password that I alone know (I haven't stored this password anywhere), even if someone gets access to backups they can't access data without password. I find this very safe.

[bitbit97]

Make a little experiment, leave your paper notebook and a mobile or laptop on the table in public and leave for 15 minutes. With 99% probability I think your gadget will be stolen, 1% that both items will be stolen. When theft get your gadget, no matter if you have used offline or online based app, theft would try to bruteforce it. Even if you did not store password anywhere on your device, theft could search for other valuable things. Passport scans for example, access to emails, anything that might help him to get anything. With paper password what can you lose? No one would even care about it.

[bhadz]

On This, I don't use password managers. There were some incidents that even password managers have been compromised and that's why I don't use it. There is no problem of using them, I have my own records where I keep them and that's a secure one, it's hard to find it and that's why I am keeping the tradition of where it should be kept. In the future, if I find it convenient then I might also use it if the time permits it to happen.

[bitmover]

With paper password what can you lose? No one would even care about it.

Noting down your passwords in a piece of paper is insecure because all your passwords will be weak and similar. As we create about 1 new account per week (as discussed already in this thread) it is impossible to keep in a paper all your passwords and also create very different ones.

Your data from one service may leak, and the hacker will just login into other services as he already has your email/password and all your passwords are alike and weak...

[libert19]

Make a little experiment, leave your paper notebook and a mobile or laptop on the table in public and leave for 15 minutes. With 99% probability I think your gadget will be stolen, 1% that both items will be stolen. When theft get your gadget, no matter if you have used offline or online based app, theft would try to bruteforce it. Even if you did not store password anywhere on your device, theft could search for other valuable things. Passport scans for example, access to emails, anything that might help him to get anything. With paper password what can you lose? No one would even care about it.

I don't leave my precious gadgets anywhere, and they always protected by password that's not easy bruteforce. Also, you are thinking that no one will pick up on notes but assume one person will and he will have all info naked. How is that safe?

[bitbit97]

With paper password what can you lose? No one would even care about it.

Noting down your passwords in a piece of paper is insecure because all your passwords will be weak and similar. As we create about 1 new account per week (as discussed already in this thread) it is impossible to keep in a paper all your passwords and also create very different ones.

Your data from one service may leak, and the hacker will just login into other services as he already has your email/password and all your passwords are alike and weak...

A person with weak phantasy always comes up with weak and similar passwords. Maybe someone can notice similarities among my passwords, but they dont look the same to me.  They arent just words or combination of words. Or a word that ends with "123", "777" or year of my birthday by the end. No doubt that password manager can randomize letter, number and symbol combinations quicker, but I can also generate something like that.

Make a little experiment, leave your paper notebook and a mobile or laptop on the table in public and leave for 15 minutes. With 99% probability I think your gadget will be stolen, 1% that both items will be stolen. When theft get your gadget, no matter if you have used offline or online based app, theft would try to bruteforce it. Even if you did not store password anywhere on your device, theft could search for other valuable things. Passport scans for example, access to emails, anything that might help him to get anything. With paper password what can you lose? No one would even care about it.

I don't leave my precious gadgets anywhere, and they always protected by password that's not easy bruteforce. Also, you are thinking that no one will pick up on notes but assume one person will and he will have all info naked. How is that safe?

You dont leave your gadgets anywhere - do you sleep with them or have device installed in you? How my paper is less safe than your gadget if you also keep everything in one place. And in situation when a person is about to steal something from you or me, he will take electronic device more likely, as it has more value in pawnshop.



Here is a random picture from the web. Green arrow is where is your password is stored and what will be stolen or searched for password immediately. Red arrows are places where my paper or papers with passwords might be.

[libert19]

Make a little experiment, leave your paper notebook and a mobile or laptop on the table in public and leave for 15 minutes. With 99% probability I think your gadget will be stolen, 1% that both items will be stolen. When theft get your gadget, no matter if you have used offline or online based app, theft would try to bruteforce it. Even if you did not store password anywhere on your device, theft could search for other valuable things. Passport scans for example, access to emails, anything that might help him to get anything. With paper password what can you lose? No one would even care about it.

I don't leave my precious gadgets anywhere, and they always protected by password that's not easy bruteforce. Also, you are thinking that no one will pick up on notes but assume one person will and he will have all info naked. How is that safe?

You dont leave your gadgets anywhere - do you sleep with them or have device installed in you? How my paper is less safe than your gadget if you also keep everything in one place. And in situation when a person is about to steal something from you or me, he will take electronic device more likely, as it has more value in pawnshop.

You are stuck on someone stealing my device but you don't understand device itself is protected with password, password manager is protected with password, brute forcing only works weak password and there are OS features which allow you to wipe up your device remotely.

If note keeping works with you, you continue doing it, and I'll do what I feel is right for me.

[bitbit97]

I dont try to say that your password manager app is better or worse than my method of storing passwords. Both have its pros and cons. I simply prefer my method more, because I find it more safe. Even it device is protected by password or it is hard/impossible to bruteforce it, it will still be discomfort for losing gadgets, spending time to recover everything. With keeping everything on a device, in case something goes wrong, you dont lose only access to list of password on it, you lose also all the info you had on your drives. Those who keep password in a manager that is protected by password, I really hope you dont forget that password.

P.S. where do you keep password that protects your password manager? In other manager or memorized it?