Bitpost | The decentralized system for global parcel delivery

[Stompix]

Oh my god, are people actually buying this? I mean the story, not the coin?

"Global logistic network", yeah right, I'm willing to bet nobody in your team has a clue about logistics, so here are some head-ups why this will not work even in theory, and this format  guy with a decade in the field
- customs, you need the receiver name  to pick and pay the parcels, nowhere in the universe would a stranger be allowed to do this
- in all the western world carrying goods for other people demands recipes and authorization, have fun getting those while anonymous
- nobody is going to insure this thing, never ever!!!!!
- logistics is about efficiency, sending parcels one by one with different carriers and so on will make the whole thing expensive as hell, things work because a guy delivers a hundred packets a day, who do you think will deliver a package out of his way for 50 cents?
- you have no idea what a sorting hub is and how big and how many people work in it, your presale is what 1.2 million? Our latest hub was worth 60 million just in construction. with 1.2 million you won't even buy the land for one
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For home deliveries, Bitpost maximizes the privacy of both the sender's and recipient's addresses.

How the hell would you preserve privacy when you just said it in your whitepaper that everyone can see the orders, so everyone will know there is a package coming this guy to that guy? 

The whole thing is just ridiculous, and of course, we don't have a single picture of an actual "hub" or anything like that.

[BitpostNetwork]

- customs, you need the receiver name  to pick and pay the parcels, nowhere in the universe would a stranger be allowed to do this

The philosophy of Bitpost is to remain outside traditional systems rather than integrate into them. Just as no decentralized blockchain enforces KYC/AML procedures or reports tax data to authorities - despite all traditional financial services being required to do so - Bitpost similarly does not recognize the concept of borders or customs. The only thing that matters is whether someone can offer to transport a parcel between specified geographic coordinates, and if so, at what price. How they manage to do so if the route crosses a border with customs regulations is their individual matter. If no one is interested in providing such a service, connections between certain areas are simply unavailable, resulting in an error when attempting to ship a parcel. Until someone comes up with a viable way to do it and starts earning from it.

- in all the western world carrying goods for other people demands recipes and authorization, have fun getting those while anonymous

That may be true for heavy truck drivers doing their job professionally, but I don’t think that anywhere, transporting a few dozen parcels by a private individual in a personal passenger car or van, which isn’t part of their profession, requires any special permits or authorization. If I'm wrong, could you provide some examples where this could be an issue?

- nobody is going to insure this thing, never ever!!!!!

True, just like all other things related to crypto. But the lack of traditional insurance doesn't stop decentralized solutions from working - there are different ways of providing trust and security. Smart contracts can do everything that insurance does.

- logistics is about efficiency, sending parcels one by one with different carriers and so on will make the whole thing expensive as hell, things work because a guy delivers a hundred packets a day, who do you think will deliver a package out of his way for 50 cents?

Nobody has to deliver a single package out of their way. The same principles of efficiency apply here, scaled down in both profits and costs. A driver can focus on a specific district or city, consolidating several parcels before setting out on their route. While they may not have a hundred packages to deliver, the distances are also shorter, and smaller vehicles with lower fuel consumption make the process more cost-effective.

Not to mention that traditional couriers drive exclusively to transport parcels, whereas Bitpost drivers can integrate these transports with trips they would be taking anyway. For example, if you're going on vacation, you could fill your trunk with parcels from a hub in your city and deliver them to a hub 300 km away. You might only recover half the cost of your fuel, but that's still a win because you’d be taking that trip regardless of Bitpost.

And let’s not forget there are customers ready to pay significantly more for ultra-fast delivery, for example, knowing that an order placed from an online store on Friday afternoon can arrive the same day within three hours instead of waiting until after the weekend.

- you have no idea what a sorting hub is and how big and how many people work in it, your presale is what 1.2 million? Our latest hub was worth 60 million just in construction. with 1.2 million you won't even buy the land for one

Rather it seems like you don't fully understand what Bitpost is about.

The 1.2 million presale will be more than enough for robust marketing, exchange listings, and hiring additional coders and graphic designers. But we have absolutely no need to buy any land or build anything.

The essence of this project lies in the sharing economy and the utilization of existing resources. For example, you could have a small shop in the city center. You register it as a Bitpost hub and allow couriers to drop off parcels they have in their vehicle right there. While there are no customers, you sort the parcels, and then they are picked up by other couriers who continue their journey to the next hubs, which could also be anything: other shops, hotels, gas stations, or even private homes.

You open such a hub with no investment and no operational costs, and in just a minute. If something doesn’t suit you, you close it just as quickly. There could be 10 hubs in a small town and 20 in the neighboring one. Their combined throughput could match that of a logistics center worth 60 million, generating massive costs and bureaucratic hurdles.

How the hell would you preserve privacy when you just said it in your whitepaper that everyone can see the orders, so everyone will know there is a package coming this guy to that guy? 

It's simpler than you think!

For first/last mile delivery: you send a shipment announcement with the approximate pickup location only to couriers in your area. Once a courier accepts the assignment, you share the exact pickup location exclusively with them. The courier doesn’t need to know the recipient of the package; their task is simply to drop it off at the nearest hub.

For routes between hubs: Hub X publishes an announcement saying it has 15 parcels to be transported to Hub Y. It doesn’t reveal who the parcels are from or to, or any other details.

[dkbit98]

How they manage to do so if the route crosses a border with customs regulations is their individual matter. If no one is interested in providing such a service, connections between certain areas are simply unavailable, resulting in an error when attempting to ship a parcel. Until someone comes up with a viable way to do it and starts earning from it.

You can't expect any serious service to work long term with that kind of strange policy.
Crossing borders and dealing with customs is very serious business and you can depend on someone doing tricks with this.
And international shipping is very complicated business, especially for long distances.

[Stompix]

When I saw that wall of text I said to myself, what a load fo crap I would have to debunk here, but reading it, my god, reminds me of the audacity scammers in 2017 had

Bitpost similarly does not recognize the concept of borders or customs.

Probably in your brain it's hard to comprehend the concept of customs, but they are the ones holding the packages, it's their rules, you can't recognize the velocity, mass and existence of a train but please go on the tracks and tell us what happens.

That may be true for heavy truck drivers doing their job professionally, but I don’t think that anywhere, transporting a few dozen parcels by a private individual in a personal passenger car or van, which isn’t part of their profession, requires any special permits or authorization.

Yeah, please do that in the states and when the police stops you you have ten parcels with different names on it, so most likely you will end up in detention for 24 hours on suspicion of being a porch pirate, the parcels will be confiscated and the owners can kiss the goodbye.
Also who would be dumb enough to carry around parcels they don't have a clue what's in that might be full of drugs. Good luck explaining to the police you were carrying this from one PO box to another, lol.

Anyhow we all know this is a scam and this will never be even tested, you're in for the money grab and after one month you will disappear and the project will be done for.

[BitpostNetwork]

Development Update: The Zone Isolation subsystem has been deployed

The next batch of Bitpost smart contracts is now live on the blockchain. This time, we successfully deployed the Zone Isolation subsystem, making another component of the platform on track for the launch.

Read more:
➡️ https://bitpost.cc/the-zone-isolation-subsystem-has-been-deployed-development-update-3/

[BitpostNetwork]

You can't expect any serious service to work long term with that kind of strange policy.
Crossing borders and dealing with customs is very serious business and you can depend on someone doing tricks with this.

I’m sorry, but this is the only approach truly aligned with our libertarian visions.

Bitcoin doesn't enforce KYC/AML procedures.
Uniswap does not block tokens that are widely known to be scams.
BitTorrent and IPFS do not remove pirated content.
Tor does not block websites selling drugs.

So Bitpost won’t force anyone to comply with customs regulations. Don't treat Bitpost as a business, but as a decentralized protocol, like the ones mentioned above.

And one more thing: we will finish and release this project in the form we believe it should take. But after that, governance will be entrusted to the community. If the majority wants different rules, they can change them even on the very first day after the launch, and we won't be able to stop it.

Yeah, please do that in the states and when the police stops you you have ten parcels with different names on it, so most likely you will end up in detention for 24 hours on suspicion of being a porch pirate, the parcels will be confiscated and the owners can kiss the goodbye.

I don’t live in the USA, I can’t verify this with full certainty. However, based on all the research our team have done on the topic, I think you’re overestimating the situation.
Moreover, Bitpost shipments don’t have personal details of different individuals on the label. They have the Bitpost logo and a pair of cryptographic keys in the form of QR codes. That could make a big difference in this case.

Anyhow we all know this is a scam and this will never be even tested, you're in for the money grab and after one month you will disappear and the project will be done for.

As you mentioned, if this were a scam, it would have been clear within a month. But let me give you a few facts about the Bitpost project to set the record straight:

1. Our website has been live since December 13, 2021 (!!!).
https://who.is/whois/bitpost.cc

2. Our GitHub account was created on December 14, 2021.
https://github.com/BitpostNetwork?tab=overview&from=2021-12-01&to=2021-12-31

3. Our Twitter account was launched in December 2022.
https://x.com/BitpostNetwork

4. We spent over a year developing, testing, and debugging our custom blockchain, created specifically for Bitpost, which is now live and has active users.
https://bpxchain.cc

As you can see, we’ve spent years working behind the scenes on this project, and we’ve only gone public recently because now we’re almost there.

[Stompix]

I’m sorry, but this is the only approach truly aligned with our libertarian visions.

And everyone earning money from service not obeying regulations will get in trouble in your place, think how Uber works, the moment they try to bypass some of those they get kicked out of the country.

Don't treat Bitpost as a business, but as a decentralized protocol, like the ones mentioned above.

You can call yourself whatever you want, you can call yourself protocol or elephant as long as there are people working with you and making money and you provide a service you're a business.

I don’t live in the USA, I can’t verify this with full certainty.

3 years of research and you haven't checked this, lol

1. Our website has been live since December 13, 2021 (!!!).

Good, means you have never been able to scam anyone with meaningful sums since you have been selling this token since 2022 without a single thing being made:
https://web.archive.org/web/20221204123002/https://bitpost.cc/

[dkbit98]

I’m sorry, but this is the only approach truly aligned with our libertarian visions.

Wtf this even means? 

Bitcoin doesn't enforce KYC/AML procedures.

Bitcooin is just a protocol, it can't enforce anything.
People enforce KYC procedures on you everyday including connected with Bitcoin.

Uniswap does not block tokens that are widely known to be scams.

One of the worst platform made for scams, and developers who created it enforced censorship.

BitTorrent and IPFS do not remove pirated content.
Tor does not block websites selling drugs.

Totally unrelated with what I wrote.
I also know people selling cocaine, crack, and kill each other every day, also totally unrelated.

[BitpostNetwork]

And everyone earning money from service not obeying regulations will get in trouble in your place, think how Uber works, the moment they try to bypass some of those they get kicked out of the country.

That's exactly why decentralization is needed. Uber is a regular centralized company. One wrong move, and their headquarters will be raided, the board of directors arrested, bank accounts frozen, and servers disconnected from the network. Good luck trying to do the same with a truly decentralized service like Bitpost.

You can call yourself whatever you want, you can call yourself protocol or elephant as long as there are people working with you and making money and you provide a service you're a business.

We don't provide a service - it operates on its own. We could be gone the day after launching it, and it wouldn't affect its operation. We have no way of shutting it down or changing the established rules. We can't decide who can work for Bitpost or who will be fired. We earn from its operation under the same conditions as an ordinary user, nothing more. That’s why I don’t agree that this is a business.

Good, means you have never been able to scam anyone with meaningful sums since you have been selling this token since 2022 without a single thing being made:
https://web.archive.org/web/20221204123002/https://bitpost.cc/

You’re confusing the BPX token, which is mined on physical hardware and tradable on the open market, with the BPG token, which is subject to the presale, but that’s beside the point. If the long track record of the project doesn’t convince you, why do you think it’s a scam and believe we won’t deliver a working application?

I’m sorry, but this is the only approach truly aligned with our libertarian visions.

Wtf this even means? 

It means that, like most decentralized solutions, we want the Bitpost protocol to remain agnostic to government-imposed regulations and focus solely on what’s physically feasible.

For instance, sending a parcel from Buenos Aires to Beijing through a giant tunnel straight through the Earth is simply impossible - that’s why Bitpost routes shipments along the Earth's surface. However, crossing a border without going through customs clearance is technically possible - so that’s allowed.

You might make arrangements with your customer and politely go through customs, or transport packages one by one with a remote-controlled vehicle through a forested section of the border in the middle of the night. It’s not up to Bitpost to decide whether you should or shouldn’t do it.

[dkbit98]

Are there any updates and new developments with Bitpost?
I visited your website and checked the roadmap that is claiming Bitpost smart contracts deployment should happen in March of 2025.
There are other plans in next few months but I won't go there until I see what happens next month.

[Stompix]

For instance, sending a parcel from Buenos Aires to Beijing through a giant tunnel straight through the Earth is simply impossible - that’s why Bitpost routes shipments along the Earth's surface. However, crossing a border without going through customs clearance is technically possible - so that’s allowed.

So this scammer once faced with the actual question of how his wanna be scam would even be able to function has found the solution.
Make everyone who is using the service a criminal, and turn this service into a mule operation that runs like cartels do so, police would have a field day ordering stuff through your customers and then picking them up one by one and throwing them in jail on at least three felony counts.

I wonder what morons would buy into such a scam that has zero proof of anything being done other than a bunch of text written by a  12yo who doesn't know shit about laws and commerce and a one-page website.

[BitpostNetwork]

Are there any updates and new developments with Bitpost?
I visited your website and checked the roadmap that is claiming Bitpost smart contracts deployment should happen in March of 2025.

Currently we’re doing a final review and testing of the most complex module, which handles the majority of the project's logic (hubs, couriers, service areas, connections). Everything is on schedule, and we don’t anticipate any delays. Some peripheral contracts have already been deployed.

Make everyone who is using the service a criminal, and turn this service into a mule operation that runs like cartels do so, police would have a field day ordering stuff through your customers and then picking them up one by one and throwing them in jail on at least three felony counts.

But no one is being forced or even encouraged to do it. If someone chooses to provide such a service (transporting packages across the border while avoiding customs) it’s entirely their own decision, fully aware of the risks involved. Most people will use Bitpost simply to get their online orders delivered faster within the same country.

I wonder what morons would buy into such a scam that has zero proof of anything being done other than a bunch of text written by a  12yo who doesn't know shit about laws and commerce and a one-page website.

You've called our project a scam so many times. Have you already thought about what you'll say when, one day, in just a few months, I post a link to the fully functional Bitpost app right here in this thread?

[dkbit98]

This topic looks very silent and without news, even on social media nothing was posted since January.

Is Bitpost and member BitpostNetwork alive?
And when can we start revolutionary ordering and delivery of goods around the world using bitpost?? 

[BitpostNetwork]

Bitpost is doing great! We're not posting any updates lately because, in just a moment, our website will be completely replaced with a brand-new one. The current site was created a long time ago, more as a placeholder when we weren't even sure if this project would take off. Now, there will be much more content across multiple subpages, and visually, it finally has its own unique character, shouting loud and clear that we're here to break free from corporations - not follow their trends. Apart from that, we're sticking to the roadmap, and work on the smart contracts is ongoing. There will be a slight delay, but nothing major. It’s just that better ideas for some things came up during the process.