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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2024, 06:19:21 PM »
Teach people how to fish, stop giving fish.

It becomes a bit harder to do that when:
- the guy in need of teaching has no spare time to do that
- the fishing rod cost three times the monthly wage
- there isn't any actual fish in any river in a 100km range
- the guy is allergic to fish

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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2024, 06:30:02 PM »
Teach people how to fish, stop giving fish.

It becomes a bit harder to do that when:
- the guy in need of teaching has no spare time to do that
- the fishing rod cost three times the monthly wage
- there isn't any actual fish in any river in a 100km range
- the guy is allergic to fish

This is what I wanted to express and you nailed it perfectly.

We can give financial advice but people can follow that? They are living in tight economy where there's no room for anything so to do investment or business it is becoming impossible and in that case giving financial help will be a big breather and let them have enough time to work on their plans. Ofcourse we need to do only if we are sure the person is dedicated themselves to make it happen.
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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2024, 10:37:26 PM »
This life is somehow in some instance, you can imagine when a person is not even interested in learning something and the beneficiary is willing and ready to let such person understand the benefits from what he is doing, while the other person is not seeing any opportunity there, because where everyone's mind is are quite different from each other, some may not even realized that there is something they may be missing out for not putting interest in learning about something that could change their life.

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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2024, 05:12:54 PM »
We can give financial advice but people can follow that? They are living in tight economy where there's no room for anything so to do investment or business it is becoming impossible and in that case giving financial help will be a big breather and let them have enough time to work on their plans.

People give the advice they think it's best and an easy way out, they don't care about analyzing how truly effective this is.
It's easy to say let's stop homelessness by building houses, yeah right, anyone who has worked with homeless people will tell you that's a fraction of the problem, give an unemployed man a job, again easy to say, let's see what happens after a week of work.

Everyone likes giving advice and making it sound more biblical or more philosophical is just another touch to their ego, in reality, if you would need also 5 minutes of actual work besides that advice 99% of those will suddenly stop caring.

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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2024, 06:44:41 PM »

the problem today is that people are not open to learning. giving them something to live another day, they are not even grateful but are going to complain why the food is not serve in a hot pot. its not really too late to learn even when the person is around 40. but gotta set an expectation that when you are at such age, maybe odd jobs aren't so bad.

teaching should have been done when the individual is younger because this is where he is busy learning.
Yeah I agree and I believe that as long as there is enough time there is hope. There are even people who made millions of dollars when they are old age. It's just about the willingness to learn new things, dedication and consistency that fuel to reach specific goal in life but nowadays things became more different because majority of the population wanted to get it through luck and easiness in short lazy. Though not all but these people don't want to even try to learn how to get things stable and I know there are also obstacles that is why can't make it for some reason but the key thing here is to never give up.

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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2024, 06:39:53 PM »
Yeah, I've heard that quote a lot too. It’s better to teach someone how to manage their finances so they can handle things on their own instead of just giving them money every time they need it. If you keep spoon-feeding them, they’ll just end up relying on you and won’t learn how to stand on their own. Helping them become independent is way more valuable in the long run.


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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2024, 04:08:49 PM »
I will not blame some people for not revealing their various means for livelihood because they don't want to do so and those they introduced to the system make the whole spoil for them, we know how people can be unpredictable when it comes to them misbehaving, if it would have been only them that will  be affected at the cause couldn't have been a problem, but for someone bringing you in and then the next time is to also stops him from benefiting form that same thing, because at the end of it all, they will both have nithing to depend on and after which everything would habe all scattered beyond measure, because not all people can be trusted.
I don't support your view concerning this topic because instead of always giving out money to out to people it's better you settle them by introducing them to the business any making them to stand on their own human being as we know is unpredictable but somebody has to help someone to move to the next level of life so you should not use that one as a yastic not to show those behind you the secret of your success so they can follow suit

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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2024, 08:08:07 PM »
We cant be saying things from our own personal opinions without considering what others have been through as well, there are times in which people will personally develop interest in helping us, which we may not have to compel them to do so, but when they feels not to be in the best disposition of giving us the required and latest update about what they are doing to earn money or what we can as well do to earn a living, then we may as well assume our help is not coming from them and push further to other sources.

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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2024, 07:41:32 PM »
We cant be saying things from our own personal opinions without considering what others have been through as well, there are times in which people will personally develop interest in helping us, which we may not have to compel them to do so, but when they feels not to be in the best disposition of giving us the required and latest update about what they are doing to earn money or what we can as well do to earn a living, then we may as well assume our help is not coming from them and push further to other sources.
I agree with you on this that is why we as humans must  do our selves good by engaging in productive ventures so we can become respected members of the society so we don't depends our lives on others even if nobody wants to show you how to fish or give you the secret on how they make money in life

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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2025, 08:38:25 AM »
I will not blame some people for not revealing their various means for livelihood because they don't want to do so and those they introduced to the system make the whole spoil for them, we know how people can be unpredictable when it comes to them misbehaving, if it would have been only them that will  be affected at the cause couldn't have been a problem, but for someone bringing you in and then the next time is to also stops him from benefiting form that same thing, because at the end of it all, they will both have nithing to depend on and after which everything would habe all scattered beyond measure, because not all people can be trusted.

On the contrary I think when you give people fish and they understand how sweet the fish is they will find ways to start fishing because no amount of fish that you will give someone that will be enough

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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2025, 09:13:33 AM »
I will not blame some people for not revealing their various means for livelihood because they don't want to do so and those they introduced to the system make the whole spoil for them, we know how people can be unpredictable when it comes to them misbehaving, if it would have been only them that will  be affected at the cause couldn't have been a problem, but for someone bringing you in and then the next time is to also stops him from benefiting form that same thing, because at the end of it all, they will both have nithing to depend on and after which everything would habe all scattered beyond measure, because not all people can be trusted.

On the contrary I think when you give people fish and they understand how sweet the fish is they will find ways to start fishing because no amount of fish that you will give someone that will be enough
That is for people who has vision and plan in life because the majority of the people that you find around always have this idea of entitlement mentality so once you give them fish they become relaxed and always think that you will give them fish to eat it's only a few who will think of getting them self fish to eat by preparing them self and looking for how to know how to fish so they can have their own fish to eat

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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2025, 03:25:17 PM »
I will not blame some people for not revealing their various means for livelihood because they don't want to do so and those they introduced to the system make the whole spoil for them, we know how people can be unpredictable when it comes to them misbehaving, if it would have been only them that will  be affected at the cause couldn't have been a problem, but for someone bringing you in and then the next time is to also stops him from benefiting form that same thing, because at the end of it all, they will both have nithing to depend on and after which everything would habe all scattered beyond measure, because not all people can be trusted.

On the contrary I think when you give people fish and they understand how sweet the fish is they will find ways to start fishing because no amount of fish that you will give someone that will be enough
That is for people who has vision and plan in life because the majority of the people that you find around always have this idea of entitlement mentality so once you give them fish they become relaxed and always think that you will give them fish to eat it's only a few who will think of getting them self fish to eat by preparing them self and looking for how to know how to fish so they can have their own fish to eat
Not everyone will take the chance to grow when helped. Some wait for more, while others with vision use it to learn and stand independently. It’s all about mindset those willing to work will benefit most.

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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2025, 09:59:19 PM »
To stay out of demands of financial help, teach others how to fish.

You prefer to be bordered on financial help; don't teach others how to fish.

Which of the stated advice is more suitable? To teach others, right?

Teaching others how to fish, is the best thing you can do for someone you like, to let them be self-dependent on themselves than looking out for you, for financial help when you may not have to give to other people, except for taking care of your family members

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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2025, 12:42:25 AM »
You can help a lot more sharing financial knowledge to help make independent than offering financial help to freinds or family members that will make them dependent on you. If you make others dependent on you, you are getting yourself in a position where you will face a lot of disturbances.
Teach people how to fish, stop giving fish.
I totally agreed with you,some people naturally are greedy they keep information to themselves instead of passing it out to help others,instead they prefer giving you little money than helping you to suceed,the good thing making them to be wealthy like you helps to reduce the much loads of spending,they can stand to replace your position whenever your not around,so is good to rise others.
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Re: Teach how to fish, stop giving just fish.
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2025, 07:08:31 AM »
I will not blame some people for not revealing their various means for livelihood because they don't want to do so and those they introduced to the system make the whole spoil for them, we know how people can be unpredictable when it comes to them misbehaving, if it would have been only them that will  be affected at the cause couldn't have been a problem, but for someone bringing you in and then the next time is to also stops him from benefiting form that same thing, because at the end of it all, they will both have nithing to depend on and after which everything would habe all scattered beyond measure, because not all people can be trusted.
I don't support your view concerning this topic because instead of always giving out money to out to people it's better you settle them by introducing them to the business any making them to stand on their own human being as we know is unpredictable but somebody has to help someone to move to the next level of life so you should not use that one as a yastic not to show those behind you the secret of your success so they can follow suit
I understand the point that Mr. Act is trying to prove, but I also believe that your (Mr. Agbe) perspective is valid. What Mr. Act mean is that when you help some people escape from darkness or difficult circumstances, they may turn against you and plot evil actions just to bring you down. And he is right about that, because that is what some people will plan to do.

But i believe that if your intentions are pure and you genuinely wish well for others, wanting for them what you want for yourself, and you introduce your way of source of income to them, just for them to benefit as you are benefiting from it, and they become successful just as you are, then your actions will ultimately be rewarded. If you share your knowledge or resources with others, helping them to succeed, and they become successful, but then seek to harm or betray you, their actions will definitely backfire.

As they said "we rise by lifting others". so it is advisable for you to show someone how he is going to be making is own money in a legal way, rather than giving him money every time he requested for it. So that he can become self sufficient, he will stop relying on you and learn to be independent, freeing you from the burden of supporting him.
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