Moving Karma and avoiding abuse

[Freemind]

I would like to try the following during the remainder of this year 2024. If this initiative is well received, and has a positive impact on the forum and the correct use of the tools we have, the amount of Karma could increase.


Users who report bad habits and abusive behavior (spam, post bursting, AI generated posts, shilling...) will receive a positive Karma of +4.

Users who are part of D. Team (Decentralized Team) will receive +10.


Additionally, users who report users who participate in signature campaigns and have habits like those mentioned above (and others) will receive a positive Karma of +12.

Users who are part of D. Team (Decentralized Team) will receive +18.

Depending on the signature campaign and the manager, you may also receive part of that week's payment from the user who broke the rules.

An example:

Great work, the way you represented it, was outstanding. Thank you.
You will receive half of their payment that they have earned last week. PM me a bech32 address.

There are many users who want to participate in signature campaigns and cannot since there are no free spaces, so it seems very unfair to me that users who have that privilege do not use it correctly.


Learn more about how to be part of the Decentralized Team: Decentralized Team Members List .  Thanks @dragononcrypto.


Remember that reports should always be made in the appropriate thread for each case, and always showing the evidence in the clearest and most concise way possible.

There is a separate thread for each type of different cases, you will find them in the pinned posts: Forum related » Decentralized Team .


From here I read your opinions, complaints and insults


Updates:

If translators want to translate this OP into their language, they will be welcomed and also rewarded.

Spanish.

Pidgin . Thanks to Mia Chloe.

Arabic . Thanks to yhiaali3.

Bangla . Thanks to DYING_S0UL.

[TomPluz]

I think this can be a good move incentivizing forum members to report other members who not contributing anything of value. Let's go for this...am sure all good forumers of good standing would also welcome this opportunity to increase their karmas while at the same time controlling spammers and bad posters. So my vote is a big YES!

[Report]

Regardless of what the President of Freemind makes the rules, of course I agree with you because before this rule was made it must have been discussed first with various staff + Moderator + D.Team etc. But what about members who find Bugs on the altcoinstalks website?
Will the member get karma plus (+)?
Because as far as I know the member also helps provide suggestions for the good of this altcoinstalks website. Thank you.

[Freemind]

I think this can be a good move incentivizing forum members to report other members who not contributing anything of value. Let's go for this...am sure all good forumers of good standing would also welcome this opportunity to increase their karmas while at the same time controlling spammers and bad posters. So my vote is a big YES!

Thank you very much for your support TomPluz.

Regardless of what the President of Freemind makes the rules, of course I agree with you because before this rule was made it must have been discussed first with various staff + Moderator + D.Team etc. But what about members who find Bugs on the altcoinstalks website?
Will the member get karma plus (+)?
Because as far as I know the member also helps provide suggestions for the good of this altcoinstalks website. Thank you.

Any user who reports a bug on the forum will also receive +Karma. Depending on the severity of the bug, the amount of Karma could be higher or lower, but the user will always get +Karma.

It is important to do this on the corresponding board, and provide as much information as possible so that the administrator can solve it.

[Lucius]

@Freemind, I have nothing against your initiative, but if you offer something like this publicly, you have to keep in mind that some will try to abuse it. At the same time, I think that instead of "wasting time" looking for those who do something against the rules of the forum, some may decide to get karma in an easier way by creating alt accounts and reporting themselves.

However, I hope that your initiative will bring more benefits than attempted abuse - additionally, if you haven't read it already, I suggested that the rules for DTeam be a little stricter.

+1

[Freemind]

@Freemind, I have nothing against your initiative, but if you offer something like this publicly, you have to keep in mind that some will try to abuse it. At the same time, I think that instead of "wasting time" looking for those who do something against the rules of the forum, some may decide to get karma in an easier way by creating alt accounts and reporting themselves.

However, I hope that your initiative will bring more benefits than attempted abuse - additionally, if you haven't read it already, I suggested that the rules for DTeam be a little stricter.

+1

While writing the post I have taken into account the things you say. But I think (and remember that it is a test that ends on December 31) that it could contribute more beneficial things to the forum than bad. Of course there will be people who try to abuse it, but that would happen with this initiative or any other, and I also think it is a different way to participate in the forum.

I'll take a look at the D. Team rules you mentioned. Thanks for your advice Lucius.

[KingsDen]

Alot of complaints, suggestions and drama already surrounding the karma system, it will be nice if left alone for now to avoid people exploiting the system.

[God Of Thunder]

Well, I appreciate your effort in trying to use every possible way to make the forum active. While I support this initiative, I somewhat agree with what Lucius said. I understand this is temporary and will end by December 2024, But if you write these things publicly, some people will try to abuse the system. So, after the trial, if you believe it's working, you and some closed-circle staff may know that it will continue, but I think if you do not announce it publicly, that will be better. I get why you posted this thread (So everyone can know and contribute).

[Mia Chloe]

Your write up packs some quite nice initiatives. Before now I've always been of the opinion that certain things on this forum require more karma than they are actually given and when I mean more karma it's usually positive Karma. Different contributions on the forum should have a different amount of karma allocated besides it would prompt people to do better if they are appreciated.

Take for example the telegram bot notifier by PX-Z and the extension by babo too, these are contribution that without doubt most members of the forum are will to give more karma to than  just one they are limited to.

I'll be reserving this topic to be translated to my local language pidgin.

[dragononcrypto]

I think this is a good trial to have +1. A high incentive for helping to moderate the forum make mods jobs easier. For context, it might be assumed that most of the spammers, shills, plagiarists, AI bots, etc, are reported in d team section, but in fact this is probably only 5-10% of users that are warned/punished. If more were being reported, it would be less work for us.

I understand this is temporary and will end by December 2024, But if you write these things publicly, some people will try to abuse the system.

If anyone is abusing the reporting system they will get -karma, which has been the case for a long-time already (and also rarely occurs), so this isn't a particular concern imo.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

I think regarding the Karman system, this is more of the way the admin of this forum sees it than the we we may personally perceived it, though something like this which you brought in OP is a good idea, we may all cast our various opinion towards it, also regarding the running signature campaigns and the intending ones, they may not only limit their requirement for taking participants bade on the karma level reach, but their current post history which will tell more of their active participations on various aspects of the forum contributions.

[Freemind]

Alot of complaints, suggestions and drama already surrounding the karma system, it will be nice if left alone for now to avoid people exploiting the system.

There will always be complaints and problems, regardless of the internal or external workings of Karma. It is something inherent to human beings, to complain about everything.

Well, I appreciate your effort in trying to use every possible way to make the forum active. While I support this initiative, I somewhat agree with what Lucius said. I understand this is temporary and will end by December 2024, But if you write these things publicly, some people will try to abuse the system. So, after the trial, if you believe it's working, you and some closed-circle staff may know that it will continue, but I think if you do not announce it publicly, that will be better. I get why you posted this thread (So everyone can know and contribute).

I am clear that there will be users trying to abuse, that cannot be avoided (from the beginning) but I have a few more things in mind, to make things a little more difficult for this type of users.

Your write up packs some quite nice initiatives. Before now I've always been of the opinion that certain things on this forum require more karma than they are actually given and when I mean more karma it's usually positive Karma. Different contributions on the forum should have a different amount of karma allocated besides it would prompt people to do better if they are appreciated.

Take for example the telegram bot notifier by PX-Z and the extension by babo too, these are contribution that without doubt most members of the forum are will to give more karma to than  just one they are limited to.

I'll be reserving this topic to be translated to my local language pidgin.

You are absolutely right in what you say about the notifier and the extension. That will be the next thing I have in mind for early next year. Now I only have a draft and I prefer to focus on the topic at hand in this thread before starting other things.

Thank you very much for the translation.

I think regarding the Karman system, this is more of the way the admin of this forum sees it than the we we may personally perceived it, though something like this which you brought in OP is a good idea, we may all cast our various opinion towards it, also regarding the running signature campaigns and the intending ones, they may not only limit their requirement for taking participants bade on the karma level reach, but their current post history which will tell more of their active participations on various aspects of the forum contributions.

Above all, it is about having a fairer, cleaner forum in which more users participate. Logically, this test will be useful for other things, but it is still early for that.

[Mia Chloe]

You are absolutely right in what you say about the notifier and the extension. That will be the next thing I have in mind for early next year. Now I only have a draft and I prefer to focus on the topic at hand in this thread before starting other things.

Yes that's very true, many members including me would love to give more more karma to posts like that. However the idea of negative Karma is something that should be left as one in my opinion this is to avoid members from abusing it.  In that case, if someone should do something abusive enough to be given a bigger hunk of negative then that should be something mods should be able to do.

If not people may abuse it. You could find case where someone may decide to give someone else a hunk of negative Karma over a little difference in point of view.

I translated the topic already!! Here it is:
To de move karma and to de avoid abuse.

[DYING_S0UL]

I support your idea, we can encourage people to expose abusers through this. The forum can be kept clean. One concern I have is that abusers might try to exploit this, so we have to be careful. Just as Lucius said, alts can expose themselves with other alts. There should be some kind of rule that a member has to meet certain criteria to be able to participate in this.

If translators want to translate this OP into their language, they will be welcomed and also rewarded.

Can I reserve the translation for Bangla language? I am a member of AOBT.

[Freemind]

~snip~
I translated the topic already!! Here it is:
To de move karma and to de avoid abuse.

Thank you very much for your work.

+5.

Your translation has been added to the OP.

I support your idea, we can encourage people to expose abusers through this. The forum can be kept clean. One concern I have is that abusers might try to exploit this, so we have to be careful. Just as Lucius said, alts can expose themselves with other alts. There should be some kind of rule that a member has to meet certain criteria to be able to participate in this.

Can I reserve the translation for Bangla language? I am a member of AOBT.

I think it's time to test, without further complications, after the test I will have a better idea of ​​where to take the situation and know which users have also been most valuable to the forum.

Of course, the translation is yours.

Thank you so much.