Proposal: Karma requirements for ranks

[admin]

guys guys guys ...
the only reason this forum was even launched is that we wanted a drama free friendly community .
I am not delusional, i know this is hard to achieve, but i try to remind you guys every now and then ...

look, life is full of stress and drama, no need to add further stress and drama, instead look at things from a positive perspective .

Now to address the issue:
Are all factors that lead to rank upgrade known : No, and so what? Why should they all be known ?
it's like open source and closed source software, if open source is not well maintained, it will cause more breaches.
This forum, like btt, and like anywhere where there is a monetary incentive is a target to account farms that would want to x the revenue by having x user profile.
If they know that
to go from rank 1 > rank 2 it will need such and such action, they would streamline use creation and use rank upgrade> and everyone loses, except the few account farm managers.


bottom line, it is not a race to who upgrade rank first

[bitmover]

First you claim that you have more karma than me, and now that I only spent three more days than you on the forum in total, while on the other hand I have 19+ days of online activity.

Thanks for the negative karma, with all your titles on the forum, you don't know that disagreeing with someone's opinion is not a reason to give negative karma. Now you can go to BTT and remove me from your trust list (if you haven't already).

What a big drama.
Negative karma for cursing , because you are rude when can't argue.

Now to address the issue:
Are all factors that lead to rank upgrade known : No, and so what? Why should they all be known ?
it's like open source and closed source software, if open source is not well maintained, it will cause more breaches.

So  online activity might not even be the reason  lol

[Igebotz]

First you claim that you have more karma than me, and now that I only spent three more days than you on the forum in total, while on the other hand I have 19+ days of online activity.

Thanks for the negative karma, with all your titles on the forum, you don't know that disagreeing with someone's opinion is not a reason to give negative karma. Now you can go to BTT and remove me from your trust list (if you haven't already).

What a big drama.
Negative karma for cursing , because you are rude when can't argue.

What are you guys doing? This is what some random newbie should be doing; both of you are established and reputable enough to voice and share your opinions without arguing like children.

two truths can always co-exist - it's already leading to ~distrust on the other forum now what next ? Start tagging each other or giving -Karma over a mere opinion? C'mon guys.

[Freemind]

bitmover and I joined this forum at about the same time. It's a bit unbelievable to me that I have so much more forum time and obviously activity points.

It is not important that you teleport your accounts even if it is on the same day and time and that you have the same points if one of you has been connected longer than the other. As I have always said, several factors must be met.

So  online activity might not even be the reason  lol

lol?. The only thing you can think of to say is lol?... The worst thing about all this is that you have not understood anything, even if we had told you with giant posters, you would not have wanted to understand it.

[examplens]

So  online activity might not even be the reason  lol

lol?. The only thing you can think of to say is lol?... The worst thing about all this is that you have not understood anything, even if we had told you with giant posters, you would not have wanted to understand it.

I find the whole thing quite amusing. 
I need to push the activity a bit these days, to reach the number from 3000 while bitmover is still at 2000. I hope that the admin will not change his username to nonmover due to this non-movement of activity points.

[bitmover]

So  online activity might not even be the reason  lol

lol?. The only thing you can think of to say is lol?... The worst thing about all this is that you have not understood anything, even if we had told you with giant posters, you would not have wanted to understand it.

I find the whole thing quite amusing. 
I need to push the activity a bit these days, to reach the number from 3000 while bitmover is still at 2000. I hope that the admin will not change his username to nonmover due to this non-movement of activity points.

Some people think they know more than the admin.
He said dozens of times that the reason is hidden, he never said it was online time.

About that, it is very unlikely that users with similar posts/karma/joining dates have so different online time.

It is much more likely that I am using an adblock or some browser or configuration that is blocking my time count. Which is not something anyone else other than me or examplens is worried about or willing to investigate,  as they are not affected

[Freemind]

I find the whole thing quite amusing. 
I need to push the activity a bit these days, to reach the number from 3000 while bitmover is still at 2000. I hope that the admin will not change his username to nonmover due to this non-movement of activity points.

Your statistics:

Code: [Select]

Total Time Spent Online: 18 days, 0 minutes.

bitmover statistics:

Code: [Select]

Total Time Spent Online: 8 days, 10 hours and 2 minutes.

I think there is no need to say anything more about it. The numbers speak for themselves.

Some people think they know more than the admin.
He said dozens of times that the reason is hidden, he never said it was online time.

About that, it is very unlikely that users with similar posts/karma/joining dates have so different online time.

It is much more likely that I am using an adblock or some browser or configuration that is blocking my time count. Which is not something anyone else other than me or examplens is worried about or willing to investigate,  as they are not affected

I assure you that it is not necessary to know more than the admin, it is enough to know the same as him, and take into account some details. Something I also told you a long time ago.

The admin has said dozens of times that the motive is hidden. It's true, the admin has not said that the reason is the time online. But I told you (I remind you that the same thing happened to me) and Lucius told you too.

Just because the admin doesn't say anything about online time doesn't mean we told you in different words.

If you think it may be an ad blocker (which I doubt) you can try deactivating it, tell us what software it is, we will try to help you and together we will find a solution.

What doesn't make sense is... this system is shit, are they punishing me or Freemind is a tyrant and everyone is against me...

I repeat it to you again. I've been on this forum for 4 years and seeing the details of how the system works has helped me a lot.

[bitmover]

Your statistics:

Code: [Select]

Total Time Spent Online: 18 days, 0 minutes.

bitmover statistics:

Code: [Select]

Total Time Spent Online: 8 days, 10 hours and 2 minutes.

I think there is no need to say anything more about it. The numbers speak for themselves.

Don't you think this data is very unlikely to be correct? If you look at other stats, this is very unlikely to be correct

Data means nothing without proper analysis. Famous quote for data analysts and IT: garbage in, garbage out

I assure you that it is not necessary to know more than the admin, it is enough to know the same as him,

Which i don't believe you do. If you do, please share your sources.

But I told you (I remind you that the same thing happened to me) and Lucius told you too.

I don't have to agree with what you say, without proper authority/argument.

You dont seen to participate in forum development,  neither lucius.

What doesn't make sense is... this system is shit, are they punishing me or Freemind is a tyrant and everyone is against me...

Those are your words.

[Freemind]

~snip~

Nobody has to participate in the development of the forum to know such obvious things.

Whether you believe me or not is something that doesn't matter to me at the moment you say that this is a punishment or that the system is shit, therefore, and as I already told you once, it is your problem.

We have tried to help you on several occasions, if you are not able to see it, or do not care, nothing happens, I know how to be selective with my time.

I only leave this information here in case one year another user believes that we are conspiring against him.

[bitmover]

Whether you believe me or not is something that doesn't matter to me at the moment you say that this is a punishment or that the system is shit, therefore, and as I already told you once, it is your problem.

I am not saying that I am getting punished neither that the system is shit. You and lucius are taking something objective to the personal side.

I am just pointing out some obvious (or at least suspicious) bug in the online time. And if it affects me, it certainly affects other users as well.

And some bad design in the ranking up rules (which are hidden, quite bizarre for such forum).

And while the system has such flaw, I believe discussions about karma requirements such be put aside.


Anyone with basic IT knowledge will certainly find my online time strange.

What you are suggesting is basically that I burst posting. I just post and run, basically without reading anything etc, as I have about 1/3 of online time of people with same age of my account.

However, looking at my stats, that is not the case.



You can see a constant activity from 8am to 11pm. Well distributed posts along time and boards (not just one specific board for example).

Also, high karma compared to other accounts with more online time.

Everything suggests that this looks at least weird and uncommon.


This wouldn't even matter if such stats weren't important to rank up.

Anyway, I still doubt that this is important to rank up, as there is no such proof so far. Maybe admin told you because you are a President, in which case you should have said.

[examplens]

This wouldn't even matter if such stats weren't important to rank up.

Anyway, I still doubt that this is important to rank up, as there is no such proof so far. Maybe admin told you because you are a President, in which case you should have said.

The discussion caused by the issue of frozen activity could easily be ended if all the ranking conditions on the forum were clearly set somewhere. Without any secret and unspecified conditions.
It has been proven many times, that when something is insufficiently explained, unnecessary discussions and speculations are always opened. admin or whoever is already in charge of such things should write clearly and unambiguously.

[dragononcrypto]

Have now locked topic and poll after a month of participation from active users. Thanks to everyone for your participation in the vote and discussion.

It's clear there is considerable opposition to this proposal as it stands, with a reasonable amount of support for implementing karma requirements in a non-retrospective manner (with no demotions). So as a final proposal to the senate on this topic, there will be a vote for implementing future karma requirements in order to rank up.

This final senate proposal may or may not be approved by the senate, and remains at the discretion of admin to implement if approved.