Roger Ver on Tucker Carlson

[pawel7777]

https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1866543923939729870

I haven't heard about that guy in a long while. Apparently, he now faces 109 years in prison for tax evasion.
The interview which was posted earlier today already has 1.5m views.

Ver claims that Bitcoin has been hijacked by the state and fires shots at Theymos (bitcointalk admin and r/bitcoin moderator), although he doesn't name him directly (I haven't seen the whole thing, so not 100% sure on this though).

Thoughts?

[Zed0X]

Between this guy and that faketoshi, I'd probably support this guy more from being prosecuted by the US Government. I just don't think he's influential enough or have the confidential information that would give the regulators reasons to go after him other than tax evasion. Has anyone read his article about how Bitcoin was hijacked by the Government?

[TomPluz]

I am not a big fan, follower, nor admirer of Roger Ver and his BCH saga back many years ago which really put a divide in the Bitcoin community back then but I am sympathizing with this current ordeal with the outgoing administration on tax evasion case. I am hoping that he can appeal to the incoming Trump administration either to drop the case or formulate some sort of a compromise to settle his case and live life as normally as possible without the prying eyes of the state going after him like a drone or a satellite. I would be interested to watch this interview by Tucker Carlson and see the many nuggets of behind-the-scenes information we can pull up from him.

[bitterguy28]

Between this guy and that faketoshi, I'd probably support this guy more from being prosecuted by the US Government.

"this guy" being roger ver makes a lot more sense than the fake satoshi and unlike fake satoshi, he does not seem to be attracting attention to earn more money he already has a lot the problem was he doesn't report all of it to the government which i honestly believe is possible but it probably would have made more sense if this happened a few years ago when the us government was not being so friendly with bitcoin now but then again it is not like trump has control over the government now so i do think his story of why he was arrested could be true

I just don't think he's influential enough or have the confidential information that would give the regulators reasons to go after him other than tax evasion. Has anyone read his article about how Bitcoin was hijacked by the Government?

that is a good point but apparently people call him the bitcoin jesus

he has written a book named hijacking bitcoin: the hidden story of bitcoin i have not read it but could this be the reason why he attracted the attention of the government

[ZAINmalik75]

Ver claims that Bitcoin has been hijacked by the state and fires shots at Theymos (bitcointalk admin and r/bitcoin moderator), although he doesn't name him directly (I haven't seen the whole thing, so not 100% sure on this though).

Thoughts?

I read the article and he did not named the moderators but he was certainly talking about them because at that time they were moderators that time there was hate for moderators too but appreciation as well.

He said moderators or admins has collaborated with agencies to make BTC more centralized and a speculative currency instead of day to day currency and decentralized. He is right but those who speak out of no fear sometimes face such problems I don't have full information on his tax invasion case.

[Faisal2202]

Ver claims that Bitcoin has been hijacked by the state and fires shots at Theymos (bitcointalk admin and r/bitcoin moderator), although he doesn't name him directly (I haven't seen the whole thing, so not 100% sure on this though).

Thoughts?

I read a lot about this few days ago and TBH at some point the founder of bitcoin.com was right and his pov about centralization and decetralization and how agencies are working to make it more centralized is just out of the box for me I never thought that the moderators would be in contact with agencies but once I read that I realize why not.

Well, I can't say anything but what can be done, till now BTC was a big success and from now on it will be a way bigger success and I don't really see BTC turning into centralized project because it won't even if all the bi-products of BTC like L2 are totally centralized the people will still be using BTC and promoting it's main cause of decentralized peer to peer transactions.

[electronicash]

Ver claims that Bitcoin has been hijacked by the state and fires shots at Theymos (bitcointalk admin and r/bitcoin moderator), although he doesn't name him directly (I haven't seen the whole thing, so not 100% sure on this though).

Thoughts?

I read a lot about this few days ago and TBH at some point the founder of bitcoin.com was right and his pov about centralization and decetralization and how agencies are working to make it more centralized is just out of the box for me I never thought that the moderators would be in contact with agencies but once I read that I realize why not.

Well, I can't say anything but what can be done, till now BTC was a big success and from now on it will be a way bigger success and I don't really see BTC turning into centralized project because it won't even if all the bi-products of BTC like L2 are totally centralized the people will still be using BTC and promoting it's main cause of decentralized peer to peer transactions.

there is a politics inside the dev  team and the consensus being manipulated which i guess they have been fighting in silence even including the blocksize was a war that resulted in forking.

but there have been many people already seeing how centralization is taking place in BTC when it comes to mining especially when shares of mining companies are owned by few. they have also created this  BTC council as well forcing miners to be to use green energy.

[Mia Chloe]

there is a politics inside the dev  team and the consensus being manipulated which i guess they have been fighting in silence even including the blocksize was a war that resulted in forking.
but there have been many people already seeing how centralization is taking place in BTC when it comes to mining especially when shares of mining companies are owned by few. they have also created this  BTC council as well forcing miners to be to use green energy.

Bitcoin isn't yet Centralised and although it works as a decentralised network, it seems big firms and organisations are making some kinda moves that pose little threats to decentralisation. One of the if you ask me are big mining pools like foundry USA that's generating an enormous amount of hash power compared to smaller pools. Anyways as for that part I don't think it's too much of a big deal yet since they'll rather use it to make profit than to waste hash rate harming the network.

The main thing I see here is actually big firms like micro strategy hodling very huge amounts of bitcoin capable of shifting prices if they intend to sell or buy in addition to their stash.

[Faisal2202]

there is a politics inside the dev  team and the consensus being manipulated which i guess they have been fighting in silence even including the blocksize was a war that resulted in forking.

but there have been many people already seeing how centralization is taking place in BTC when it comes to mining especially when shares of mining companies are owned by few. they have also created this  BTC council as well forcing miners to be to use green energy.

You are right there is definitely some politics being played in dev but not from the team but from the investors because there was his video on YT showing how big investors like Black Rock, MSTR and some other big names were investing in DEVs to create new L2 and other products for BTC but totally centralized so the more centralized products will be there the more it will be used by others and people will be made to use them like in the name of green energy as you said.

Speaking of pools, they are the only options for solo ones to survive otherwise they can't mine, so if they can't mine they can't make good money without investing in BTC, but still they can become a part of the network for validation which still requires them some cost to cover that most of them think why not just start some mining and they bear to lose in that until they join the pool and they made some profit but not that much it all depends on the price of BTC as we already know.

Let's see what will be the future of BTC. I think what most of us want is profit!

[0t3p0t]

Between this guy and that faketoshi, I'd probably support this guy more from being prosecuted by the US Government. I just don't think he's influential enough or have the confidential information that would give the regulators reasons to go after him other than tax evasion. Has anyone read his article about how Bitcoin was hijacked by the Government?

I never heard of this so far even conspiracy theories so maybe if someone has sources please don't hesitate to share so we can read some interesting stories. If Bitcoin has been hijacked by the government then why not they are not adopting it instead of fiat as we all know that fiat can be affected by inflation?

[yhiaali3]

The main thing I see here is actually big firms like micro strategy hodling very huge amounts of bitcoin capable of shifting prices if they intend to sell or buy in addition to their stash.

Yes, there are huge amounts in the hands of MicroStrategy, ETF companies like BlackRock and other large companies, in addition to the large amounts held by the US government. All of this poses a threat to decentralization.

I can agree with Ver on one point, which is that the government is trying to hijack Bitcoin in terms of owning these large amounts of Bitcoin and forcing centralized exchanges and third-party services controlled by the government to impose KYC and AML regulations and the like on users.