[ANN] ⚫ Empty.cash — Advanced Privacy For Your Crypto [BTC, ETH]

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⚫ Empty

Clearnet https://empty.cash

Onion http://emptycash3o5say7n3xjudey3rqfj3ocrles24bndc4ouofojdt77iid.onion

Sup, AltcoinsTalks!

Today we launch a service that lets you exchange your coins [BTC, ETH] of any origin into coins with a verified and trustworthy history.
While our platform performs a function similar to conventional crypto mixers, it is built on modern technology that enhances anonymity and security.
The core idea behind our service is to conceal the very act of using a mixer or attempting to anonymize funds.


# Problem
Currently most solutions on the market fall into two categories
1. Algorithmic mixers (e.g., CoinJoin, smart contracts)

• Pros: low fees, decentralization(?), trustless(?).
• Cons: ❗ vulnerable to deanonymization; usage is easily detectable; output coins are often flagged as "dirty" and unusable on most platforms.

2. Mixers tied to centralized exchanges (CEX)

• Pros: perfect AML rating. 
• Cons:
• Coins are sent from one or several accounts on centralized exchanges.
• ❗ You receive coins from the same pool as other mixer clients, whose activities may be questionable.
• ❗ This links you to other users of the mixer, which can be legally risky.
• Regulators can easily identify mixer wallets and deanonymize clients by analyzing future transaction histories.

# Solution we offer
Our service employs a Coin Separation Concept. When you purchase coins from us, you can rest assured that they will be delivered from a unique address that has never been used for disbursements to other clients and bears no blockchain history linking it to our service.
We prepare these addresses using a variety of DEX tools (such as cross-chain bridges and similar mechanisms), assigning each address its independent transaction chain. As a result, the coins appear fully legitimate since they blend in with thousands of transactions by regular traders utilizing the same DEX instruments—and they bear no links to our service or its other clients.
Additional details and recommendations are available in multiple languages on our site (click 'Read more' first).


# FAQ

• Which coins are supported?
  Currently, BTC and ETH are supported.
• What fees are applied?
  Without a promo code the fee is 4.9%, and with a promo code it can be reduced to as low as 3.9%. There are no hidden fees; rates are subject to change.
• How do I use the service?
  The entire process is completed via our website and is fully automated.
• How quickly will I receive my coins?
  If you purchase items that are already in stock, they will be sent to the recipients immediately after payment. For custom orders, where coins are prepared to match your required amount, the process is entirely automated and takes a few hours.
• Is there a referral program?
  Yes, in the “Earn $” section you can generate personalized coupons to invite friends. Please note that the number of partners is limited.
• Do you offer a Letter of Guarantee?
  Yes, you can download it on the order page.
• What payment methods do you accept?
  We accept payment in BTC and ETH. You can pay with either cryptocurrency entirely, or use a combination of both. You can generate multiple payment addresses for increased anonymity.

Read more Q&A on our website


# Privacy & Security

We are tired of services that claim complete privacy and no logging while still relying on third-party solutions like Cloudflare and Google reCAPTCHA. We do not utilize external WAF services, interactive chat support, analytics scripts, or other third-party tools; Strict no logs policy across all servers. Our crypto nodes are self-hosted with onion-only connections, All data is stored in encrypted containers and deleted promptly and irretrievably. On our platform, you will never see connections to external domains in the developer console.


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# URLs

Clearnet https://empty.cash

Onion http://emptycash3o5say7n3xjudey3rqfj3ocrles24bndc4ouofojdt77iid.onion/

Support https://empty.cash/support

PGP-keys and Canary Message https://empty.cash/keys-and-canary

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Interesting.
It was to be expected that new solutions would be found after pressure on mixers and coinjoin services.

2. Mixers tied to centralized exchanges (CEX)
Cons:
Coins are sent from one or several accounts on centralized exchanges.

This is certainly not true for Jambler partners, as they may have different investors, with different origin coins. It's not even always about exchanges, coins can also come from mining pools.

Conversion to Privacy Coins: Coins are initially converted into privacy coins such as Monero, severing any former transaction history. We use multiple anonymized cryptocurrencies to safeguard against de-anonymization tactics.
— Integration into Legitimate Trading: Coins converted back and mixed into the trading pools using decentralized exchanges and other methods commonly employed by crypto traders, ensuring that the coins' history mirrors that of numerous other participants in the crypto ecosystem.

I am not sure that coins from decentralized exchanges guarantee a low percentage of AML risk.
Also, what more does your service offer than a user making a swap, for example, BTC->XMR->BTC ​​and then paying 2x 0.5% exchange fee?

minimum 0.03BTC for custom amount is quite high, especially for a relatively new and unproven service.

[Stuart]

At first, I'll say welcome to the Altcoinstalk forum.
As a new mixer stated, you made it clear that your mixer works independently on separate chains that has not been used for disbursement of any kind ever. You know very well, when there comes a huge demand for service, then there could be logs and traffic or does this not affect your services or something is put in place for smooth running.

Your service or transaction fees is another thing, if as a new company, to get mass adoption, there should be something attractive. You for now as a start have BTC and ETH as the coins available in your platform, There have been other mixers in the community and has gained some amount of trust by it's users, do you think you take that place?

As we strive for anonymity, having the trust of service providers are also important to some extent.

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Interesting.
It was to be expected that new solutions would be found after pressure on mixers and coinjoin services.

2. Mixers tied to centralized exchanges (CEX)
Cons:
Coins are sent from one or several accounts on centralized exchanges.

This is certainly not true for Jambler partners, as they may have different investors, with different origin coins. It's not even always about exchanges, coins can also come from mining pools.

Conversion to Privacy Coins: Coins are initially converted into privacy coins such as Monero, severing any former transaction history. We use multiple anonymized cryptocurrencies to safeguard against de-anonymization tactics.
— Integration into Legitimate Trading: Coins converted back and mixed into the trading pools using decentralized exchanges and other methods commonly employed by crypto traders, ensuring that the coins' history mirrors that of numerous other participants in the crypto ecosystem.

I am not sure that coins from decentralized exchanges guarantee a low percentage of AML risk.
Also, what more does your service offer than a user making a swap, for example, BTC->XMR->BTC ​​and then paying 2x 0.5% exchange fee?

minimum 0.03BTC for custom amount is quite high, especially for a relatively new and unproven service.

Thank you for your questions

Even if the source of your coins is mining pools, which isn't overly common, it doesn't change the fundamental issue.

1.  Let's say you buy 1 BTC from miners and put it into a wallet used for client payouts from your service.
2.  I, a hypothetical FBI agent, use your service for a small amount. Now I know that the wallet from point one belongs to your service.
3.  From there, I can reasonably assume that all subsequent transactions from that address are payouts to clients of your service. At this point, as an FBI agent, I become very interested in who these people are and why they are trying to obfuscate the history of their funds.

As a client of your service, do I want to end up on some kind of watchlist or be subject to suspicion?  Most likely not. Do I want to receive funds from the same address/CEX account as people who are potentially involved in highly illicit activities?  The answer is no. This is precisely the problem our service aims to solve. Please correct me if I've misunderstood something.

Now, regarding why our service is better to a quick BTC→XMR→BTC swap: Firstly, you avoid the risk of triggering KYC verification when exchanging BTC for XMR. Secondly, exchanges keep logs, order histories, often lack TOR mirrors, and so on. All of this significantly simplifies the deanonymization of the chain you proposed. The AML risk score is a separate discussion, and it's highly dependent on the provider. Funds from noKYC sources can lead to account freezes and additional verifications. We prepare coins for our clients using services that are utilized by tens of thousands of traders, making them safe to use on CEXs.

Even setting aside the above, the very need to use noKYC exchanges can be suspicious in itself. Our service is designed to conceal the *very fact* that you are attempting to anonymize your funds' history. We aim to make the transaction history look completely ordinary.

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As a client of your service, do I want to end up on some kind of watchlist or be subject to suspicion?  Most likely not. Do I want to receive funds from the same address/CEX account as people who are potentially involved in highly illicit activities?  The answer is no. This is precisely the problem our service aims to solve. Please correct me if I've misunderstood something.

I mentioned Jambler which, in the simplest terms, resells output transactions from cryptocurrency stock exchanges. Of course, the coins come from the same cex account or the same address.

Now, regarding why our service is superior to a quick BTC→XMR→BTC swap: Firstly, you avoid the risk of triggering KYC verification when exchanging BTC for XMR. Secondly, exchanges keep logs, order histories, often lack TOR mirrors, and so on. All of this significantly simplifies the deanonymization of the chain you proposed. The AML risk score is a separate discussion, and it's highly dependent on the provider. Funds from noKYC sources can lead to account freezes and additional verifications. We prepare coins for our clients using services that are utilized by tens of thousands of traders, making them safe to use on CEXs.]Now, regarding why our service is superior to a quick BTC→XMR→BTC swap: Firstly, you avoid the risk of triggering KYC verification when exchanging BTC for XMR. Secondly, exchanges keep logs, order histories, often lack TOR mirrors, and so on. All of this significantly simplifies the deanonymization of the chain you proposed. The AML risk score is a separate discussion, and it's highly dependent on the provider. Funds from noKYC sources can lead to account freezes and additional verifications. We prepare coins for our clients using services that are utilized by tens of thousands of traders, making them safe to use on CEXs.

There are reliable no-KYC CEXs with Tor mirror too also accept XMR.

Even setting aside the above, the very need to use noKYC exchanges can be suspicious in itself. Our service is designed to conceal the *very fact* that you are attempting to anonymize your funds' history. We aim to make the transaction history look completely ordinary.]Even setting aside the above, the very need to use noKYC exchanges can be suspicious in itself. Our service is designed to conceal the *very fact* that you are attempting to anonymize your funds' history. We aim to make the transaction history look completely ordinary.

Finally, your service is also no-KYC, coins go through DEX, which can certainly attract attention for additional checks.

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There are reliable no-KYC CEXs with Tor mirror too also accept XMR.

I've been an early user and really like eXch, but their BTC->XMR fee is 5%, which kinda breaks your point

Finally, your service is also no-KYC, coins go through DEX, which can certainly attract attention for additional checks.

Again, this isn't entirely accurate. The thing is, our wallets are not linked to our service, unlike typical mixers. This is a fundamental difference. Simply using popular DEX tools is unlikely to attract any attention.

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I've been an early user and really like eXch, but their BTC->XMR fee is 5%, which kinda breaks your point

Well, that's an additional topic for discussion. The 5% fee can vary a lot depending on the exchange rate used. Regardless of your system, we often see that somewhere 3% is more expensive than 5% in the second case.

By the way, in this type of coin mixing, why does it have to go through XMR, why not through Litecoin for example? On the exch, the fee is 0.5-1% for such swaps

[dkbit98]

How can Empty.clash claim to be better than classic and modern mixers, or to be untraceable?
Keeping coins in The Coin Separation Concept is not going to make them untraceable in any way.
Sure it can prevent connection with other addresses, but that doesn't mean they become untraceable in any way.

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How can Empty.clash claim to be better than classic and modern mixers, or to be untraceable?
Keeping coins in The Coin Separation Concept is not going to make them untraceable in any way.
Sure it can prevent connection with other addresses, but that doesn't mean they become untraceable in any way.

Please take a moment to reread the announcement and my earlier posts in this thread. I’ve already explained in detail the potential risks associated with using such mixers.

I understand that many here are trying to defend the tools they promote in their signatures. However, I believe users have the right to be informed about the risks of using these services.   

It's crucial to understand that a low AML score *does not* guarantee the legality or safety of coins.  Government agencies use entirely different metrics to flag funds, and coins originating from mixers that pool funds from a single or a few wallets are exceptionally easy to trace and tag.  I'm confident that this has already been done extensively.

At our service, we aim to implement the best privacy practices from the crypto world:  a unique address per client, a dedicated coin preparation chain, decentralized tools with no account linkage, complete independence from third-party services (using only local nodes/RPC), and utilizing Onion networks wherever possible, among other measures.

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I understand that many here are trying to defend the tools they promote in their signatures. However, I believe users have the right to be informed about the risks of using these services.   

Don't immediately associate a critical opinion with what is written in the signatures. Higher-quality campaigns prefer to have participants who express criticism. You can also see that other mixers are criticized, regardless of what is written in the signatures.

It's crucial to understand that a low AML score *does not* guarantee the legality or safety of coins.  Government agencies use entirely different metrics to flag funds, and coins originating from mixers that pool funds from a single or a few wallets are exceptionally easy to trace and tag.  I'm confident that this has already been done extensively.   

The largest number of members of this community are against any AML selection or labelling of coins in any way. We have also made sure so far that the government or some CEX can always have its way of giving an AML score, which can result in the blocking of funds. Therefore, it is logical that there is scepticism if someone comes up with a superior way to overcome the AML score problem.

[dkbit98]

I understand that many here are trying to defend the tools they promote in their signatures. However, I believe users have the right to be informed about the risks of using these services.

I did read what you wrote and I never tried to defend anything here.
I asked a simple question and I don't like what I am reading now coming from you.
Whenever someone claims to be best and better than all others in anything they do, that turns the red alert warning in my mind.
Let me also say that I didn't see a single proof for your claims.

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One design suggestion. Perhaps you could make a greater contrast between the colour of individual text and the background. For example, this part "read more" and the hint about the cart is almost invisible (at least for me)



How will you manage the case if Ethereum from the Bybit hack reaches your ETH service?

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One design suggestion. Perhaps you could make a greater contrast between the colour of individual text and the background. For example, this part "read more" and the hint about the cart is almost invisible (at least for me)



How will you manage the case if Ethereum from the Bybit hack reaches your ETH service?

v2 just released

We've updated the design of our service.
A new mode selection has been added: Simple and Pro, for users who either prefer quick setup or need more detailed configuration.
Also, the interface has been translated into four languages.

If you have already used our services, please share your feedback

https://empty.cash/
http://emptycash3o5say7n3xjudey3rqfj3ocrles24bndc4ouofojdt77iid.onion/



Note on Bybit:
In any case, our policy never involves blocking funds in any form. If we’re unable to process them using our standard methods, we will issue a full refund. Moreover, the process heavily depends on the volumes involved.

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If you have already used our services, please share your feedback

I suggest you start a short review campaign. Such a campaign does not necessarily have to cost you a lot, and you can get useful feedback and potentially new users when they become familiar with your platform.

Of course, lowering the minimum should be taken into account. 0.01BTC is not a small amount to send to an unproven service.

Note on Bybit:
In any case, our policy never involves blocking funds in any form. If we’re unable to process them using our standard methods, we will issue a full refund. Moreover, the process heavily depends on the volumes involved.

You should clarify this a bit. What exactly depends on whether the order will be processed or not?
Also, do you always use the same ETH address or is it dynamically assigned with each transaction?

Are you thinking about an affiliate program? For further promotion, it is always a good way to encourage promoters.

[KingsDen]

Congratulations empty and welcome to the forum. I have read the Op and understood how it works. It's great.

But on a nutshell, what can your project or service be called?

• An exchange?
• An exchanger?
• A mixer?
• ¿?