Is Trump's tariff war a mad genius?

[target]

Greenland can't defend their area against the inevitable Russian invasion.
So USA has to buy Greenland or give Denmark a ton of nukes.
If you were the USA which would you rather do?
My crappy little town in NJ, USA has 65,000 people and is 70 square miles.
Greenland has 56,000 people and is 600,000 + square miles.

Phil, the logic in annexing Greenland as a precaution of a Russian invasion is like fortifying Salt Lake City against a Mexico invasion.

Russia has no deep water capabilities, it can't project force over a sea, the threat to Europe was always its immense tank and artillery arsenal, that's why the plans were to establish buffer zones. If by magic Greenland is occupied by Russia it can be done with only one thing happening first, the Scandinavian countries being invaded, and at this point Europe is so fucked up that Greenland is your last problem since now they would have a shot at the whole great Britain and Iceland too.

Second thing, why worry so much about Greenland and an invasion through the Atlantic over 4000 miles when you have just 100 miles of sea between Alaska and Russia? If anyone would like to invade North America, how would they do it?
Crossing the Atlantic with a fleet with no aircraft carriers and just two blue water battleships or ferry troops over 100 miles of water that can be protected by SAM missiles and bombers from land ?

Its been in some discussions in the other forum that US is interested in the trade route near Greenland. Its a trade route that US can gain control over those countries trading each other, if they have no business over that route, they have to make a way that its their business.

But then there are information that Russia already control large part of North Atlantic which in this harsh condition, they have facilities in that think ice area.

[Stompix]

Its been in some discussions in the other forum that US is interested in the trade route near Greenland. Its a trade route that US can gain control over those countries trading each other, if they have no business over that route, they have to make a way that its their business.

What damn traading routes?
There is no direct route that would go through Greenland other than one between Canada and Iceland.
Also, why the hell would the USA be in need of controlling the trading route that goes from any country to them?
They already control that by being the purchase, lol!

But then there are information that Russia already control large part of North Atlantic which in this harsh condition,

Lol, name me 1 mile of territory Russia controls in the North Atlantic!
They control as much water in the North Atlantic as they do in Kyiv. 

[philipma1957]

Its been in some discussions in the other forum that US is interested in the trade route near Greenland. Its a trade route that US can gain control over those countries trading each other, if they have no business over that route, they have to make a way that its their business.

What damn traading routes?
There is no direct route that would go through Greenland other than one between Canada and Iceland.
Also, why the hell would the USA be in need of controlling the trading route that goes from any country to them?
They already control that by being the purchase, lol!

But then there are information that Russia already control large part of North Atlantic which in this harsh condition,

Lol, name me 1 mile of territory Russia controls in the North Atlantic!
They control as much water in the North Atlantic as they do in Kyiv. 

okay melt it all in 30-50 years and Russia has great access to the arctic ocean.  As does Canada Alaska Greenland and Norway.


If my poor geography memory is correct Russia Alaska Canada Greenland and Norway border the Arctic Ocean


map shows that






I am not a Trump fan but it is obvious that he has decided letting the ice melt is the way to go.

if the ice melts both Greenland and Canada are subject to Russia's easy invasion attempts.

Canada is big decent amount of people and like Ukraine could likely resist Russia.

Greenland is 50,000-60,000 people that can not fight off Russia.

Also The map shows the winners if the ice melts.

I do not see China India Pakistan or Bangledesh  gaining anything if the ice melts.

So back to my subject. but looking at my future analysis above.

world wide tariffs bail out all deficit govenrments as they all do retaliatory tariffs and everyone gets taxed like a motherfucker.

All people blame it on Trump.

Canada total debt = $1.52 trillion (USD), representing a debt-to-GDP ratio of 106.1%.
Great Britain  = Gross Domestic Product (GDP), totaling around £2.7 trillion.  $3.5 trillion usd
France = As of December 2023, France's national debt reached 3.3 trillion euros
USA = As of March 20, 2025, the total U.S. national debt is approximately $36.22 trillion
China = As of December 2023, China's national government debt reached $4.23 trillion
Japan = As of January 2025, Japan's national debt is estimated at approximately 8.84 trillion US dollars
Italy = As of December 2024, Italy's national government debt reached 3,069.8 billion USD that is 3.069 trillion
India = As of September 2024, India's national government debt reached 2,144.6 billion USD that is 2.144 trillion
Germany = As of September 2024, Germany's national government debt reached 2,977.2 billion USD that is 2.97 trillion
Brazil = As of December 2024, Brazil's national government debt reached 1,452.8 billion USD that is 1.45 billion
Saudi Arabia = As of the end of Dec 2024, Saudi Arabia's total outstanding direct indebtedness was SAR 1,215.9 billion (approximately $324.2 billion usd)

Russia = As of December 31, 2024, Russia's external debt was estimated at $290.4 billion and they continue to Lower it. Due to embargoes


I did 11 major players they owe over 50 trillion.  All would be able to tariff back against usa and could lower debt while blaming trump

[Faisal2202]

Each country will have to struggle on their own by the time global trade war happens. Its sad for a country that has less trading partners due to few products they can export. A country with less resources are often the ones that plunge to its worse.

But those countries that have been in the worse condition long before this trade war, I think they are used to it anymore. People starts eating just roots of palm trees to survive but they still going to be less affected by the trade war.

That's a good point you raise, as if one country have lesser resources and lesser friends then it will become their need and they will be forced to import and export things on higher rates and this will be a big burden on all the citizens of that country but to minimize it, the country at least can decrease the tax from some other field to make it easier.

Nah that's not true people will always be getting affected and we should not develop this thought in our minds because these political policy makers also think the same that people will get used to it but they don't know with one change in the policy how hard a life of a person can get.

[target]

Each country will have to struggle on their own by the time global trade war happens. Its sad for a country that has less trading partners due to few products they can export. A country with less resources are often the ones that plunge to its worse.

But those countries that have been in the worse condition long before this trade war, I think they are used to it anymore. People starts eating just roots of palm trees to survive but they still going to be less affected by the trade war.

That's a good point you raise, as if one country have lesser resources and lesser friends then it will become their need and they will be forced to import and export things on higher rates and this will be a big burden on all the citizens of that country but to minimize it, the country at least can decrease the tax from some other field to make it easier.

Nah that's not true people will always be getting affected and we should not develop this thought in our minds because these political policy makers also think the same that people will get used to it but they don't know with one change in the policy how hard a life of a person can get.

There's always a broiling point and if time is right where people are united to solve the chaos, they can tip the government and just put someone who can manage to be the head like a Supreme Leader.

People may endure just about any difficulties, they just need a person who will put something in their heads, a plan because of course we are not getting used to it, we just endure.

[Stompix]

okay melt it all in 30-50 years and Russia has great access to the arctic ocean.

Melt the ice and this happens
- New York, Houston, LA, all of Florida are under water
- St Petersburg and Volvograd (Stalingrad) are also flooded, the biggest 2nd and 3rd economic zones of Russia
- all of Russia's Siberian oil and gas fields are underwater
- There will be an open ocean between Tokyo and Atlanta as northern Canada will be underwater.

With all that, who will give a damn about Greenland?
Oh btw, only about 2 to 3 billion people losing their houses, do you still think that a trade route would be the major issue?

[Hatchy]

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny - every week a new scandal from the US - this week we learned that the president's clowns are using some kind of messenger to discuss things that should be state secrets. It wouldn't be too strange if one of them hadn't invited (allegedly by chance) a journalist to join them in the group

He's actually creating confusion between countries with his tarrifs and I wonder what push these ideas in his heads. He doesn't care what others opinions are and to me is actually bad for a world leading country. At first I taught the tarrifs were ment to help regulate some errors in the country's economy but nope, he's just trying to cause a fuss.

[NotATether]

Well the US government gets their cut in this scenario.

I don't believe that they've ever truly cared about the American consumer (those NoVa beauraucrats!) and they're the ones going to be eating shit from all these tariffs.

Not most of the other countries since they literally can't afford to buy anything from the US. That's why trade deficits exist. It's nonsensical to try to eliminate them all for this reason.

[Stompix]

He's actually creating confusion between countries with his tarrifs and I wonder what push these ideas in his heads.

The wind while spinning between his ears as there is no brain matter to stop the whistling? 
The guy has no idea how to run a business, let alone a country, so his main plan here is to make everyone suffer and hope for a miracle that the other guys blink first, and even if they don't, he has a cushion full of money and he is only 4 years in charge of this shitshow, if things go worse he will just say it was the NWO or some conspiracy group of Soros that ruined his plan.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

       -     I just want to adapt my answer to the op's question to the topic, I can say that Trump's Tariff war was a smart move he made. Trump is good at making decisions and thinking, how did I say that?

Because if we just research carefully, if the US fights China through physical or literal war, the US forces will not win against China because China's armed forces are much stronger.Now, because Trump saw that, he thought of these tariffs that even I don't think he can defeat China just through this without killing people. So for me Trump really use his brain.

[Marykeller]

       -     I just want to adapt my answer to the op's question to the topic, I can say that Trump's Tariff war was a smart move he made. Trump is good at making decisions and thinking, how did I say that?

Because if we just research carefully, if the US fights China through physical or literal war, the US forces will not win against China because China's armed forces are much stronger.Now, because Trump saw that, he thought of these tariffs that even I don't think he can defeat China just through this without killing people. So for me Trump really use his brain.

All of Trump's moves are mostly against China, to destabilize China economy. China has come out openly to say to the US, that they can't beat them in any way they should think of, being it economically, military and technological powers.

Few days ago, China hits back on Trump, by imposing 34% increase on all US goods.

[robelneo]

So USA tariffs 200 countries.

The 200 countries do it back.

Every person in all those countries pays more.

This causes a big drop on all stocks around the world, and create a bad impact on the crypto market.
although the US only imposes only 17% tariffs, which is way lower than our neighboring country,
There are still bad effects, especially for crypto holders, where many of our portfolios made a huge drop—mine was 20 to 40%; it was kind of ugly to look at but this is not surprising in a highly volatile market.

[bitterguy28]

All of Trump's moves are mostly against China, to destabilize China economy. China has come out openly to say to the US, that they can't beat them in any way they should think of, being it economically, military and technological powers.

Few days ago, China hits back on Trump, by imposing 34% increase on all US goods.

trump has said that he feels that it has been too long since the us has been taken advantage of by other countries and china seems to be the biggest suspect of them all which is why trump really hit china hard but china partnering up with other countries against usa might harm the us more than theyd expect

i know this might seem like some petty wars between the nation leaders but all this fight has some serious consequences to the economy and it will not be pretty

[Azharul]

Each country will have to struggle on their own by the time global trade war happens. Its sad for a country that has less trading partners due to few products they can export. A country with less resources are often the ones that plunge to its worse.

But those countries that have been in the worse condition long before this trade war, I think they are used to it anymore. People starts eating just roots of palm trees to survive but they still going to be less affected by the trade war.

That's a good point you raise, as if one country have lesser resources and lesser friends then it will become their need and they will be forced to import and export things on higher rates and this will be a big burden on all the citizens of that country but to minimize it, the country at least can decrease the tax from some other field to make it easier.

Nah that's not true people will always be getting affected and we should not develop this thought in our minds because these political policy makers also think the same that people will get used to it but they don't know with one change in the policy how hard a life of a person can get.

Firstly i believe that trumps tariff war will be very disadvantage decision for all over the world. In this reason many establishing country could not accept this tariff war in this moment. So i think that it will be very negative effect for all over the wore. Because if we want to following in our country,  we can see that our country already face 36% tariff in this time. Which is one of the best difficult for our country. But if we follow in russia, we can see that trump hasn’t any extra tariff in this country. So i think that it was mad genius for trump.

[Kemarit]

All of Trump's moves are mostly against China, to destabilize China economy. China has come out openly to say to the US, that they can't beat them in any way they should think of, being it economically, military and technological powers.

Few days ago, China hits back on Trump, by imposing 34% increase on all US goods.

trump has said that he feels that it has been too long since the us has been taken advantage of by other countries and china seems to be the biggest suspect of them all which is why trump really hit china hard but china partnering up with other countries against usa might harm the us more than theyd expect

i know this might seem like some petty wars between the nation leaders but all this fight has some serious consequences to the economy and it will not be pretty

Let's see, China has responded with Trumps tariff and now Trump has given his ultimatum to China. For sure,  I don't think that China will move an inch here and so with that there will be a big tariff wars once again.

It's going to be survival of the fittest now, maybe in the next couple of months we will see the effect specially in the US if they can still fight and go punishing a lot of countries with huge tariff. Or it will be too much as they are going to suffer, hence he need to tone day.