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I want to talk about a subject seldom addressed, it is the token dump that follow the airdrops and bounties.

Most ICOs and projects are not aware of this, but seasoned bounty managers and bounty hunters know this very well.
The ICO price will get hammered once the airdrop & bounty are distributed.

Of course how much will depend on several factors:
- Quantity of tokens given to bounty hunters and through airdrops
- Demand price and capacity.

But it is not surprising that the people that got the token for "free" sell them for as low as 1/10th the ICO price.

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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2018, 06:03:20 am »
yeah its unfortunately something I know all to well about as well.. it becomes doubly bad when they unlock the bounty tokens and seed/presale investor tokens at the same time and everything unlocked.  Most ICO investors nowadays only have "when binance" on the brain and will dump at a loss within 10 days if the project doesn't move out of the IDEX graveyard.. pair that with a bear market and the dumping of free tokens and weak hands, its a recipe for disaster.  Its really sad but its just the current state of the market right now, and its worse than its ever been in this way.




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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2018, 06:03:20 am »

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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2018, 04:22:55 pm »
The lack of patient and self knowledge regarding the potential of tokens can result to massive dump and it damage the holding system of pros because they need to adjust as long as they can.
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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2018, 03:15:41 pm »
However a lot of those ppl are making a living and are living in extreme poverty spending less than a dollar a day I do not blame them still the impact on the price after the ico may be significant and only depends on the strength of the token
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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2018, 03:39:14 pm »
I want to talk about a subject seldom addressed, it is the token dump that follow the airdrops and bounties.

Most ICOs and projects are not aware of this, but seasoned bounty managers and bounty hunters know this very well.
The ICO price will get hammered once the airdrop & bounty are distributed.

Of course how much will depend on several factors:
- Quantity of tokens given to bounty hunters and through airdrops
- Demand price and capacity.

But it is not surprising that the people that got the token for "free" sell them for as low as 1/10th the ICO price.

token dump is the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties


I think all this dumpers are children and not experienced airdrop or bounty hunters. There is away to avoid dump. Atlant ICO will distribute tokens to bounty hunters in period of 18 months at monthly basis. Atlant price was going down like any other cryptocurrency in the last 6 months but there was no huge dump. Only in first month there was significant dump in the distribution day and the price goes down 30% but after that every next month was better. Finally now every month after distribution in the first week price goes down 10% and recovers after this.

This airdrops and bounties are paid to normal people which mostly have no experience in trading FIAT not mention crypto. A lot of them start this journey from airdrops. That is why they dump. If there is significant amount to get they sell because this is enough for them. If price is low they sell because they are afraid that tomorrow will be even lower so better to have something as nothing anyways they got it for free. No experience, that's the problem.

Another problem is with scams. From 10 airdrops 5 is scam and you have to sell fast to get something at all.
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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2018, 06:12:41 pm »

I think all this dumpers are children and not experienced airdrop or bounty hunters. There is away to avoid dump. Atlant ICO will distribute tokens to bounty hunters in period of 18 months at monthly basis. Atlant price was going down like any other cryptocurrency in the last 6 months but there was no huge dump. Only in first month there was significant dump in the distribution day and the price goes down 30% but after that every next month was better. Finally now every month after distribution in the first week price goes down 10% and recovers after this.


This is the way to avoid these dumps. I agree that bounty hunters payments should occur only some months after launching the project.

All bounty campaigns I participated and that acted this way (holding bounties for some months) resulted in good earnings for both, investors and hunters.
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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2018, 04:30:12 pm »

REASON FOR DUMP

Airdrops: There are 2 types
1: limited Ref: low dump
2: no restriction Ref: high dump
(many twitter telegram sites ... there are thousands of members, imagine)

Bounties: I often see campaign bonuses, translations and signatures rewarding a lot of tokens: 25% -30% -40% of the shares / total bonus.
- Many ICO signatures require too strict. To post on 10-15, each post 150 words ... so many bounty hunters did not reach the target: leading to shares will distribute a lot for a few people reached the target: ---> high dump
 - Translation: 1 language ANN - bounties - white paper (only for one translator): high dump
Should break the ANN-bounties - white paper (for many members in that language)

The distribution rate for the entire bonus is 2-5% very low. but when they sell, also make the wave dump.
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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2018, 05:10:12 am »

I think all this dumpers are children and not experienced airdrop or bounty hunters. There is away to avoid dump. Atlant ICO will distribute tokens to bounty hunters in period of 18 months at monthly basis. Atlant price was going down like any other cryptocurrency in the last 6 months but there was no huge dump. Only in first month there was significant dump in the distribution day and the price goes down 30% but after that every next month was better. Finally now every month after distribution in the first week price goes down 10% and recovers after this.


This is the way to avoid these dumps. I agree that bounty hunters payments should occur only some months after launching the project.

All bounty campaigns I participated and that acted this way (holding bounties for some months) resulted in good earnings for both, investors and hunters.

It sounds like a good idea, I just hate that we have to wait so long to get something, it makes me really pessimistic about receiving it but I guess if its a win-win and they actually pay out, it makes a lot of sense. 




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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2018, 06:57:39 am »
Yeah, I think that's the best generalized solution you could come up with.  I would rather be able to sell the tokens right away just to buy more after the price tanks, but I'd prefer a more consistent investment overall if that were possible.




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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2018, 12:31:23 pm »
I think all this dumpers are children and not experienced airdrop or bounty hunters. There is away to avoid dump. Atlant ICO will distribute tokens to bounty hunters in period of 18 months at monthly basis. Atlant price was going down like any other cryptocurrency in the last 6 months but there was no huge dump. Only in first month there was significant dump in the distribution day and the price goes down 30% but after that every next month was better. Finally now every month after distribution in the first week price goes down 10% and recovers after this.
This is the way to avoid these dumps. I agree that bounty hunters payments should occur only some months after launching the project.

All bounty campaigns I participated and that acted this way (holding bounties for some months) resulted in good earnings for both, investors and hunters.
It sounds like a good idea, I just hate that we have to wait so long to get something, it makes me really pessimistic about receiving it but I guess if its a win-win and they actually pay out, it makes a lot of sense.

Exactly, there was a lot of angry members when Atlant introduced distribution schedule. I have to add that nobody choose such a form of distribution before Atlant. This bounty was huge and finally there was more tokens for bounty hunters as for investors. If they will distribute this tokens in the same time in one day the price will never recover from this dump, I think.

Now after few months passed and Atlant pays to bounty hunters with no delays. There is a lot of positive reactions from community and bounty hunters. Price crashed but in comparison to other tokens not so much or equally. From a week or two I see that Atlant price starts to recover and there was no big dump after first distribution.
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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2018, 05:39:24 am »
I think all this dumpers are children and not experienced airdrop or bounty hunters. There is away to avoid dump. Atlant ICO will distribute tokens to bounty hunters in period of 18 months at monthly basis. Atlant price was going down like any other cryptocurrency in the last 6 months but there was no huge dump. Only in first month there was significant dump in the distribution day and the price goes down 30% but after that every next month was better. Finally now every month after distribution in the first week price goes down 10% and recovers after this.
This is the way to avoid these dumps. I agree that bounty hunters payments should occur only some months after launching the project.

All bounty campaigns I participated and that acted this way (holding bounties for some months) resulted in good earnings for both, investors and hunters.
It sounds like a good idea, I just hate that we have to wait so long to get something, it makes me really pessimistic about receiving it but I guess if its a win-win and they actually pay out, it makes a lot of sense.

Exactly, there was a lot of angry members when Atlant introduced distribution schedule. I have to add that nobody choose such a form of distribution before Atlant. This bounty was huge and finally there was more tokens for bounty hunters as for investors. If they will distribute this tokens in the same time in one day the price will never recover from this dump, I think.

Now after few months passed and Atlant pays to bounty hunters with no delays. There is a lot of positive reactions from community and bounty hunters. Price crashed but in comparison to other tokens not so much or equally. From a week or two I see that Atlant price starts to recover and there was no big dump after first distribution.

Yeah it makes a lot of sense.. is there a way to see that in 6 months for example on etherscan that you will have tokens deployed somehow displayed in your wallet as incoming smart contract unlock?  I;m not an expert in this area but if I could see that the tokens are locked to arrive and on what certain date, I'd feel a lot better about the process.




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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2018, 10:43:32 pm »
An interesting topic often forgotten in most ICO (or they just don't care for the post-ICO)
We have been working on ideas to protect our future token holders, especially against dumps.

Our main solutions were:
  • Limiting the initial number of Tokens an account can hold will avoid major post-ICO dump.
  • Limiting large purchase to counter market manipulation from big traders.
  • Maintaining a steady demand by burning Tokens used for our service.
  • A limited bounty program favoring quality over quantity.
  • A fair airdrop allowing anyone to use our service.



I'll be happy to hear your feedback on those solutions so we can better protect our future token holders from foreseeable risks
All the best,
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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2018, 11:24:20 pm »
I think the expectation of bounty dump also lowering the price.

People think when bounties distributing, the price will get a dump and they are also selling their tokens and price crashing of course.




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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2018, 07:09:06 pm »
Particularly I think that both the BOUNTY and AIRDROPS in no case help the situation of any ICO beyond the commercial, because in the beginning, the ICO made this kind of things to massify their consumption, nowadays, it has become in a parallel business for many, so much so, that there are people who intend to really make money with this.

I know I can be touching particular interests when I say it, but a new commercial and marketing methodology is necessary for the ICO, these forms not only affect the value, they affect the investor interested in a business proposal, because it puts them to play in against the mass that has received the token for free.
While it is true that individuals can be intelligent, we must recognize that the mass is dumb. and for that reason they are overcome by the fear of the descent and they sell in group producing irretrievable losses, even with the partial deliveries to work in recoveries of 30 days, it is a major and unnecessary effort.

On the other hand, the legislation on SECURITIES is running to regulate any type of currencies that rely on Bountys for their growth, leaving investors in losses and ghost products in cemeteries of ideas because the marketing strategy will break them, or they will be overwhelmed by growth.

In summary, there is no real benefit in the BOUNTY except for those who participate and leave first, the same with the AIRDROPS, so it is a commercial practice, destined to die, what you have to try is not to disappear with it, and devise new marketing techniques.
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Re: token dump, the unwanted consequence of airdrops & bounties
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2018, 07:48:18 pm »
However a lot of those ppl are making a living and are living in extreme poverty spending less than a dollar a day I do not blame them still the impact on the price after the ico may be significant and only depends on the strength of the token
Yeah. What I'm thinking, why not pay the bounty and airdrop hunters ethereum if the team want to avoid the dump that cause by this group?
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