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Learning & News => For Beginners => Basic questions about this forum => Topic started by: Agbe on March 16, 2024, 08:24:14 PM
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If Karma is not included in the process of ranking up and an account then what is the need of a campaign manager using karma to select participants in a campaign? This how to rank up https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=183665.0 From what I have read and seen in the forum, I have not read a place where karma is part and parcel of the campaign criteria. This is an another link that talks about ranking up https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=23431.0. This is another one again for special Ranks yet no karma is mentioned https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=14162.0. And finally Ranking Up Fast https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=23431.0.
Therefore, please admin and any other staff, or moderators should tell me if karma is one of criteria for participating in bounty or Signature Campaigs and there thread clearly stated that I have not seen then please. I will like to read the thread. And I will also like to know the criteria to participate in signature campaigns that the forum spelled out.
Thanks for your friendly responses.
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I change the ranking as i see fit ... I do not want anyone to know the process, to avoid abuse.
For campaigns, some require good karma, others don't.
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Therefore, please admin and any other staff, or moderators should tell me if karma is one of criteria for participating in bounty or Signature Campaigs and there thread clearly stated that I have not seen then please. I will like to read the thread. And I will also like to know the criteria to participate in signature campaigns that the forum spelled out.
I think the conditions for participating in Signature campaigns depend on the requirements of the bounty managers, and it is subjective. Usually these requirements only relate to the activity of the participants and not to Karma. I rarely see a specific requirement for the number of Karma of the participants, of course members with negative Karma are often not welcome and chosen in signature campaigns.
You can refer to the criteria of bounty manager yahoo62278:
What I look for when selecting signature campaign participants (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=319266)
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The bounty manager makes decisions about which users can participate in signature campaigns. For whatever reason, a bounty manager may decide to make a signature campaign only available to users with the highest karma on the forum (this is an example), because the project team requires it. It is not the administrator or the forum staff who decides who participates and who does not.
So that you understand it better, another example would be to compare karma with what each user is paid per post. Users with a higher rank are better paid than, for example, full member users. Therefore, sometimes a bounty manager may decide to accept users with more karma into their campaigns, as they will have a better reputation for writing more detailed and useful posts for the forum and users.
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Therefore, please admin and any other staff, or moderators should tell me if karma is one of criteria for participating in bounty or Signature Campaigs and there thread clearly stated that I have not seen then please. I will like to read the thread. And I will also like to know the criteria to participate in signature campaigns that the forum spelled out.
Thanks for your friendly responses.
Imo, karma is a very important aspect of your account.
In the end , what really matters is your reputation in this forum. If you have a good reputation, you are more likely to be accepted in good campaigns and/or other promotions.
Karma is a good way to measure your reputation. Not the only one, but it is certainly important
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Therefore, please admin and any other staff, or moderators should tell me if karma is one of criteria for participating in bounty or Signature Campaigs and there thread clearly stated that I have not seen then please. I will like to read the thread. And I will also like to know the criteria to participate in signature campaigns that the forum spelled out.
These things have nothing to do with the administrators and moderators of the forum, the decision is up to the campaign managers. In some cases, you can have a large number of karma, but the manager will still not choose you, because he thinks that your posts are not good enough and do not attract attention.
So the answer is still the same for all doubts about acceptance into campaign signatures, write constructively and don't spam. A very easy rule.
MrSpasybo pointed to the yahoo62278's thread, if you interpret it well, you should find answers to your doubts.
You can refer to the criteria of bounty manager yahoo62278:
What I look for when selecting signature campaign participants (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=319266)
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I think this is one of the reasons yahoo dropped that thread of his because many users are drawn to the attention that having lots of karma alone can secure them a signature campaign and with the way the forum is now, I think even a spammer can easily abuse the karma system and getting himself lots of karma, so thats why it's necessary for campaign manager to check and choose from their own criteria that would deem any user of their choice to be qualified for their signature campaign but in all having good post record and your frequent activeness in contributions here should cover you in securing a spot in any signature campaign.
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Please admin and any other staff, or moderators should tell me if karma is one of criteria for participating in bounty or Signature Campaigns and there thread clearly stated that I have not seen then please. I will like to read the thread. And I will also like to know the criteria to participate in signature campaigns that the forum spelled out.
I am sure that Karma is one of the criteria used by bounty managers to accept most especially with signature campaigns but is not the only one...they will also consider the ranking and the quality of the posts of the candidates. One may have a good number of karma if the quality of the posts suffers a lot then the applicant can be rejected as there are others who are just waiting to be included.
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If people are receiving lots of karma, then that would imply to me that users are probably reading their posts. People whos posts get read hive a higher likelyhood that people see the signature. It also could show that the community respects that users opinion.
None of this is a guarantee that someone gets into a campaign, it just might increase their chances. As a manager, you still have to look at their posts and judge the quality for yourself.
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Please admin and any other staff, or moderators should tell me if karma is one of criteria for participating in bounty or Signature Campaigns and there thread clearly stated that I have not seen then please. I will like to read the thread. And I will also like to know the criteria to participate in signature campaigns that the forum spelled out.
I am sure that Karma is one of the criteria used by bounty managers to accept most especially with signature campaigns but is not the only one...they will also consider the ranking and the quality of the posts of the candidates. One may have a good number of karma if the quality of the posts suffers a lot then the applicant can be rejected as there are others who are just waiting to be included.
Maybe, or maybe not. From the campaigns that are currently running in this forum, only @yahoo62278 is the first one to require participants of his campaign to include in their application the current number of karmas they have. Especially since most participants of the campaigns right now are the teleported accounts that were accepted even without receiving any karma yet during the application.
Since there are increasing numbers of new users every single day, I think the bounty managers have their own criteria and they may start to include the number of karmas received to select better participants to promote the project they handle.
But there is something in my mind. If ever this criteria have been added, I think it would give more advantages to those users who purchased a special rank as they have a huge additional number of karmas received.
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If Karma is not included in the process of ranking up and an account then what is the need of a campaign manager using karma to select participants in a campaign?
Therefore, please admin and any other staff, or moderators should tell me if karma is one of criteria for participating in bounty or Signature Campaigs and there thread clearly stated that I have not seen then please. I will like to read the thread. And I will also like to know the criteria to participate in signature campaigns that the forum spelled out.
Karma can be a consideration that Bounty Managers need so that members are accepted in various campaigns, but there are also Bounty Managers who don't care about karma, and what they see is the quality of their posts which can be useful to all members on altcoinstalks.
For campaigns, some require good karma, others don't.
The admin's statement is also exactly the same as my statement because for campaigns there are those that need karma and there are also bounty managers who don't need karma as a reference for being accepted in a campaign.
None of this is a guarantee that someone gets into a campaign, it just might increase their chances. As a manager, you still have to look at their posts and judge the quality for yourself.
Yeps, if I were a Bounty Manager I would definitely see it from the quality of the posts because the quality of the posts has a positive effect on all members on the altcoinstalks forum.
I'll just take an example like this
-A Bitcoin miner will definitely know clearly about the tools needed to miner Bitcoin.
-Indirectly, the member will definitely explain in detail the procedures for Bitcoin mining with his expertise.
-The explanation may be at the beginning of the tools needed for Bitcoin mining, such as computer specifications, internet power, hardware and software needed for Bitcoin mining.
Then, what is the feedback from members who provide detailed information about Bitcoin mining?
-Yeps, the answer is in the karma gifts from members who feel helped by the topic created by the member which explains in detail about Bitcoin mining.
-For campaigns, this position will definitely be seen by the Bounty Manager because posts from members about Mining Bitcoin are very useful and needed by other members to be able to mine Bitcoin and this is a good opportunity to be accepted in various campaigns.
*The key answer to this topic is that if I become a Bounty Manager, I will accept the member in the campaign by assessing the quality of the posts he has made and informed all members.
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If I'm not wrong then till now there's no such Karma requirements for the signature campaigns but if we see the importance of Karma then to some extent it plays some role in selecting of participants by a campaign manager. Like yahoo62278 said, the ones who have good karma can be considered as more readable members, the ones whose posts are read by the majority, and on that basis such members may get some priority during selection.
I believe the most important thing that a campaign manager looks for a participant is that how good he/she is in representing his/her views and how active he/she is during the week. An active participant with good posts may get some priority by campaign managers even if they don't receive so many positive karma, however karma is an important aspect to determine good posters so it won't be totally ignored by the campaign managers.
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If Karma is not included in the process of ranking up and an account then what is the need of a campaign manager using karma to select participants in a campaign?
Therefore, please admin and any other staff, or moderators should tell me if karma is one of criteria for participating in bounty or Signature Campaign and there thread clearly stated that I have not seen then please. I will like to read the thread. And I will also like to know the criteria to participate in signature campaigns that the forum spelled out.
Karma can be a consideration that Bounty Managers need so that members are accepted in various campaigns, but there are also Bounty Managers who don't care about karma, and what they see is the quality of their posts which can be useful to all members on altcoinstalks.
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There are many managers teleporting to Altcointalks who previously used merit as the minimum standard to join their campaigns, but now that no longer applies equally.
Karma is not like Merit because it has a different system of course.
And the absolute and so fixed rule is about the quality of the posts of each member who wants to join.
In the Bitcointalk Forum all post quality checks can use third-party websites that have been integrated and easy to check the quality of participants' posts.
But at Altcointalks I also don't know how to check the performance of each participant, whether this is done manually or there are other websites to do it.
That is the campaign manager's job and every manager has their own rules.
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But at Altcointalks I also don't know how to check the performance of each participant, whether this is done manually or there are other websites to do it.
Well, to check members on altcoinstalks, as you know so far, you can see it in the "Statistics" section of the profile, see the statistics section of my account: damsix (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=35709)
I also only recently found out that the bounty manager from "icopres" used this feature to accept participants on altcoinstalks who joined the campaign handled by BM icopress.
For now, I personally am quite satisfied with seeing the performance of altcoinstalks members by looking at the "statistics" feature and it is very simple to check.
That is the campaign manager's job and every manager has their own rules.
This is of course completely up to the choices chosen by the Bounty Manager, of course all bounty managers have different rules for accepting each participant.
We cannot intervene with bounty managers regarding this matter, whether it is about choices or policies issued to accept bounty participants.
Except maybe right in the middle of the campaign there were members who experienced incidents of violating forum rules and this is a different story.
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Admin should not be responsible for any criteria used for participation in signature campaigns, and he should not explain anything.
Ranking can be confused in all forums and it doesn't mean that someone will be paid better just because he has a higher rank.
Better ask managers to explain what they want.
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Admin should not be responsible for any criteria used for participation in signature campaigns, and he should not explain anything.
Ranking can be confused in all forums and it doesn't mean that someone will be paid better just because he has a higher rank.
Better ask managers to explain what they want.
You are right, admin should never be responsible for signature campaign participation because it's the job of a campaign manager not of an admin. Most often campaign managers prefer to accept those members in their campaigns who are active and who contribute helpful information to the forums.
The reason for accepting such participants is simple, the advertisers want best exposure and such participants can give them that exposure. Let's compare two participants, one who makes many posts a day but all of his/her posts are just meaningless and they don't contain valuable information which can attract the readers.
On the other hand there is another participants who makes 4-8 valuable posts that contain genuine, relevant information which could help the readers or you can say other members of the forum. The later one will be the preferred choice for the campaign manager because he/she will help the brand to get more exposure than the one who makes many useless posts.
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with what i see in this, i don't think we are to hold any campaign manager responsible on how they which to state the requirement for the criterial needed in selecting participants for their signature campaign, however, i still don't think there's much need in using the criteria of karma in selecting for campaign participation, though it may to an extent depict the layer of how effect you have been posting quality as people continue to give more karma to you, but its still not an accurate means because you can make quality posts from here to the moon and none may give you one, so since its not a requirement to ranking up, i don't think there's a need as well in requesting for such, but the managers in charge has their own right as well in making decision on what they needed as requirement.
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Well, to check members on altcoinstalks, as you know so far, you can see it in the "Statistics" section of the profile, see the statistics section of my account: damsix (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=35709)
I also only recently found out that the bounty manager from "icopres" used this feature to accept participants on altcoinstalks who joined the campaign handled by BM icopress.
For now, I personally am quite satisfied with seeing the performance of altcoinstalks members by looking at the "statistics" feature and it is very simple to check.
Thanks for the information, I also just found out about this statistic and of course this will make it easier for anyone to see the performance of participants especially for managers.
Admin should not be responsible for any criteria used for participation in signature campaigns, and he should not explain anything.
Ranking can be confused in all forums and it doesn't mean that someone will be paid better just because he has a higher rank.
Better ask managers to explain what they want.
Ranking is only a grouping, not an absolute for quality.
Many high-ranking accounts don't even have the quality they rank.
Managers have their own assessment for each participant who applies and who will be more deserving of acceptance.
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I know that the initiator of the topic is teleported from BTT, so I'm a little surprised that a Hero member has a question like this and that he addresses the same to the forum staff if he knows (maybe he doesn't) that even in the forum from which he came, the staff has no influence on who will be accepted to signature campaign, and who doesn't.
Whether it's karma or merits, it shouldn't be something by which someone's quality is measured, because if you were to look at that criterion, then I'm one of the less quality members on this forum considering the number of karma I received for my posts compared to the merits I get on BTT for posts of the same quality.
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Whether it's karma or merits, it shouldn't be something by which someone's quality is measured, because if you were to look at that criterion, then I'm one of the less quality members on this forum considering the number of karma I received for my posts compared to the merits I get on BTT for posts of the same quality.
Yes it shouldn't be like that, Karma and merit are just a number given by others for good post appreciation.
The main criteria should be how someone creates a topic or how they describe each issue well and be themselves without forcing them to know everything.
In BTT maybe we have a fairly wide range of rewards, but here we are both new, but yes this is not only because of the amount of karma and merit
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I change the ranking as i see fit ... I do not want anyone to know the process, to avoid abuse.
For campaigns, some require good karma, others don't.
Nice reply, I liked it. Well, I was also concerned a while ago about what would be the criteria for a manager to select a participant in a campaign, and I do have some know-how but I know I might be wrong too. As different managers have different criteria. And recently, yahoo62278 made a topic and revealed his way of selecting members. What I look for when selecting signature campaign participants (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=319266.msg1519117#msg1519117) His way is quite impressive BTW.
Speaking of other managers, they haven't shared any criteria but I assume they must have one. With time we will get to know other's criteria as well. But till then I would say dear OP keep growing and contributing get some badges if possible. But not the bad ones 😂
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I change the ranking as i see fit ... I do not want anyone to know the process, to avoid abuse.
For campaigns, some require good karma, others don't.
Nice reply, I liked it. Well, I was also concerned a while ago about what would be the criteria for a manager to select a participant in a campaign, and I do have some know-how but I know I might be wrong too. As different managers have different criteria. And recently, yahoo62278 made a topic and revealed his way of selecting members. What I look for when selecting signature campaign participants (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=319266.msg1519117#msg1519117) His way is quite impressive BTW.
Speaking of other managers, they haven't shared any criteria but I assume they must have one. With time we will get to know other's criteria as well. But till then I would say dear OP keep growing and contributing get some badges if possible. But not the bad ones 😂
Most managers likely will not share selection criteria. Some of them may not even have any criteria, they just pick whomever applies on a 1st come 1st serve basis.
In reality, a poster doesn't need to know a managers criteria, they just need to make sure they are doing the best that they can. If you are not being accepted into campaigns, you might consider sending a message to managers asking what you can improve on.
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In reality, a poster doesn't need to know a manager's criteria; they just need to make sure they are doing the best they can. If you are not being accepted into campaigns, you might consider sending a message to managers asking what you can improve on.
Spot on!
I guess you will agree with me that at least 50% of currently active users were teleported from the Bitcointalk, and it is too early for managers to pick participants based on their karma because most of the members who came to this forum did not earned enough karma while old users of this forum already has a lot of karma.
Moreover, it is too easy to abuse karma these days with alt firms or by creating a friend circle since the karma is unlimited and nobody can check the karma stats except the admin. So, I guess it would be a weak criterion even if managers consider karma to pick participants. Things may change in the future.
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Most managers likely will not share selection criteria. Some of them may not even have any criteria, they just pick whomever applies on a 1st come 1st serve basis.
In reality, a poster doesn't need to know a managers criteria, they just need to make sure they are doing the best that they can. If you are not being accepted into campaigns, you might consider sending a message to managers asking what you can improve on.
That's true and I think a manager not even sharing their selection method is somehow good because it just keep the curiosity open out there for the applicants especially the one's that always feel they would like to have an edge over others.
For the case of users sending PM to managers asking for insight to the reason on why not being selected and where to to improve is actually a good thought but I think most manager frown at that and I believe if a users does that , it even makes their chances slim for the manager to select them in any of his campaign well not for everyone I guess.
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I think a campaign manager basically verifies the eligibility of a member to participate in a campaign. It is the responsibility of the forum admin and other stuff to verify that the manager's rules and users' posts are in accordance with the forum's rules. And in the case of signature campaigns, one manager follows each criteria It often depends on the demand of the project. Like gambling casinos has the demand of gambling related post and mixers and other cryptocurrency project need different boards. By combining all these, a member is eligible to participate in a campaign. Another main issue is that one cannot be eligible to participate in the campaign if there is only post activity. To participate in the campaign, one must be a quality poster.
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Moreover, it is too easy to abuse karma these days with alt firms or by creating a friend circle since the karma is unlimited and nobody can check the karma stats except the admin. So, I guess it would be a weak criterion even if managers consider karma to pick participants. Things may change in the future.
As far as I know, only Senior+ members have unlimited karma points, all ranks below that are limited to what they get from other members - although I don't know how the formula works - 1 karma received = 1 karma that can be given to someone or the formula is different.
Of course, members will always find a way to abuse karma, and it is no secret that merits on BTT are still sold today on the black market and that some members have used airdropped merits to rank their alt accounts.
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This question should be directed to the campaign managers and not the admin. The forum does not run signature campaigns and as far as i know, they also do not moderate it.
Campaign managers will try to adopt what they think is a good criteria to select participants in their campaigns and it can include a lot of things and it also depends on the type of campaign, is it a casino, mixer, instant exchange, etc. However i don't know if it is important for a manager to make such criteria public, it can affect the posting patterns of members who may try to post to meet those criteria. Lastly, just communicate freely on the forum, if you don't spam, you have a chance to get in a campaign.
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Of course, members will always find a way to abuse karma, and it is no secret that merits on BTT are still sold today on the black market and that some members have used airdropped merits to rank their alt accounts.
Even if merits are sold on that black market and if old members use their airdropped merits to rank up their alts, you can still investigate it and find it quickly and a single negative tag is enough to ruin the account. But when it comes to altcoinstalks karma system, we cannot check who gave karma to whom. So, people will use their other accounts to send positive karma to other accounts. Or they will manage other Senior member + member to firm karma to rank up. It is possible to stop these abuse only if admin disclose the karma stats of a user.
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As far as I know, only Senior+ members have unlimited karma points, all ranks below that are limited to what they get from other members - although I don't know how the formula works - 1 karma received = 1 karma that can be given to someone or the formula is different.
Members with ranks below Senior have no option of changing others' karma at all. This option is available for Senior members and above only. So no hidden formula.
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Even if merits are sold on that black market and if old members use their airdropped merits to rank up their alts, you can still investigate it and find it quickly and a single negative tag is enough to ruin the account.
Merits abuse is something that is not investigated very often, but even when it results in negative feedback, it does not mean that the account is automatically destroyed - it used to be like that, but today you have examples of accounts with negative tags from DT1 members participating in the sig campaign without any problems.
But when it comes to altcoinstalks karma system, we cannot check who gave karma to whom. So, people will use their other accounts to send positive karma to other accounts. Or they will manage other Senior member + member to firm karma to rank up. It is possible to stop these abuse only if admin disclose the karma stats of a user.
There is actually a way to find out who gave you negative karma, and I thought it only required payment, but now I checked and I see that it also requires some luck. That option is called The Eye of Sauron - See who gave you karma (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316161.0)
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Most managers likely will not share selection criteria. Some of them may not even have any criteria, they just pick whomever applies on a 1st come 1st serve basis.
I heard some managers have secret black lists and white list of members, I don't know if this is true ;)
It is a bad idea to accept everyone who signs up for campaign, but it's also not easy to find enough quality members willing to apply.
After watching situation with managers in forum last few years, I can say that it's not an easy job at all.
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Most managers likely will not share selection criteria. Some of them may not even have any criteria, they just pick whomever applies on a 1st come 1st serve basis.
I heard some managers have secret black lists and white list of members, I don't know if this is true ;)
It is a bad idea to accept everyone who signs up for campaign, but it's also not easy to find enough quality members willing to apply.
After watching situation with managers in forum last few years, I can say that it's not an easy job at all.
I published my blacklist on the other forum at 1 point, I stopped adding to it after awhile though(at least publicly). I think if users know that it's real, they might go further in trying not to find themselves on it. They might improve their quality.
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I heard some managers have secret black lists and white list of members, I don't know if this is true ;)
It is a bad idea to accept everyone who signs up for campaign, but it's also not easy to find enough quality members willing to apply.
After watching situation with managers in forum last few years, I can say that it's not an easy job at all.
I know for sure that some managers have their black and white lists. Some don't even keep them a secret.
A long time ago there was a SMAS list on Bitcointalk ([SMAS] Signature Managers against Spam), and it was very difficult for everyone from that list to get involved in a serious campaign.
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I heard some managers have secret black lists and white list of members, I don't know if this is true ;)
It is a bad idea to accept everyone who signs up for campaign, but it's also not easy to find enough quality members willing to apply.
After watching situation with managers in forum last few years, I can say that it's not an easy job at all.
I know for sure that some managers have their black and white lists. Some don't even keep them a secret.
A long time ago there was a SMAS list on Bitcointalk ([SMAS] Signature Managers against Spam), and it was very difficult for everyone from that list to get involved in a serious campaign.
I remember this on the other forum. They even create a list of 1000 most spammers and DTs give a neutral tag to those users on the list. Some people I know even said that the campaign managers added some of those users to their ignore list and completely avoided interacting with them.
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I published my blacklist on the other forum at 1 point, I stopped adding to it after awhile though(at least publicly). I think if users know that it's real, they might go further in trying not to find themselves on it. They might improve their quality.
This could motivate some members to improve post quality, but it's a double edged sword, and it can make some people quit the forum.
Than some managers can add someone to black list for all the wrong reasons, maybe because member has a different opinion.
Some people I know even said that the campaign managers added some of those users to their ignore list and completely avoided interacting with them.
I have a bunch of people ignored because I don't want to waste time reading their posts.
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Merits abuse is something that is not investigated very often, but even when it results in negative feedback, it does not mean that the account is automatically destroyed - it used to be like that, but today you have examples of accounts with negative tags from DT1 members participating in the sig campaign without any problems.
That's because the user has a long forum background and has a lot of positive feedback. Sometimes, users get negative feedback just because of disagreement, and we have seen that a couple of times. Sometimes, managers do not care about the negative feedback if the user is worthy enough to be accepted in a campaign.
There is actually a way to find out who gave you negative karma, and I thought it only required payment, but now I checked and I see that it also requires some luck. That option is called The Eye of Sauron - See who gave you karma (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316161.0)
Yeah, I know that. But if I am not wrong, you cannot use The Eye of Sauron to check other members' karma stats. You can do it for your own account only. Also, as you mentioned, you need some luck as well.
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If Karma is not included in the process of ranking up and an account then what is the need of a campaign manager using karma to select participants in a campaign? This how to rank up https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=183665.0 From what I have read and seen in the forum, I have not read a place where karma is part and parcel of the campaign criteria. This is an another link that talks about ranking up https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=23431.0. This is another one again for special Ranks yet no karma is mentioned https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=14162.0. And finally Ranking Up Fast https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=23431.0.
Therefore, please admin and any other staff, or moderators should tell me if karma is one of criteria for participating in bounty or Signature Campaigs and there thread clearly stated that I have not seen then please. I will like to read the thread. And I will also like to know the criteria to participate in signature campaigns that the forum spelled out.
Thanks for your friendly responses.
As per the rules of this forum, each of your posts will count as one activity and you will earn a certain rank when you reach certain activities. If you post a specific post, you will earn a specific bank when that post is converted to activity, and when you apply to a campaign, the campaign must mention the minimum rank of members they will hire for the job. You can read their rules carefully and then apply to those campaigns but if your rank is low you can increase your rank by posting and then again be a part of that campaign.
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You can read their rules carefully and then apply to those campaigns but if your rank is low you can increase your rank by posting and then again be a part of that campaign.
Everyone is allowed to apply for the campaigns that are open and the ones who contribute good stuff may get accepted in a campaign.
The campaign managers know which members are active, they also look for the posts which contain good and valuable information.
There is of course that rank requirement and if we keep that in our mind then higher rank members will get somewhat high pay rates in some signature campaigns.
It's always better to make posts without caring about the rank because if someone posts only to rank up then such type of posting may let a member to do spamming.
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Everyone is allowed to apply for the campaigns that are open and the ones who contribute good stuff may get accepted in a campaign.
The campaign managers know which members are active, they also look for the posts which contain good and valuable information.
There is of course that rank requirement and if we keep that in our mind then higher rank members will get somewhat high pay rates in some signature campaigns.
It's always better to make posts without caring about the rank because if someone posts only to rank up then such type of posting may let a member to do spamming.
I think all bounties campaign manager has their own criteria when accepting new member in their signature campaign, most of them looking for active user but keep prefer the member have good qualities post. Actually most of signature campaign in this forum have the same rate payment indeed your reach highest level behind not adopted with payment system such as in bitcointalk forum.
take care post firstly and make bounty campaign manager interested how the member contribution in the forum by giving more educative post here.
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You can read their rules carefully and then apply to those campaigns but if your rank is low you can increase your rank by posting and then again be a part of that campaign.
Everyone is allowed to apply for the campaigns that are open and the ones who contribute good stuff may get accepted in a campaign.
The campaign managers know which members are active, they also look for the posts which contain good and valuable information.
There is of course that rank requirement and if we keep that in our mind then higher rank members will get somewhat high pay rates in some signature campaigns.
It's always better to make posts without caring about the rank because if someone posts only to rank up then such type of posting may let a member to do spamming.
You talked well, I like Yahoo for that because he only picked it accept those who are active in the forum and not those who are posting only in campaign threads or once in 2 months. And if we look very well, now that we have only 3 campaigns running in the forum, the participation of members have also reduced and once there is a new campaign you will notice that all those accounts that's dormant will come up again and they don't expect a campaign manager to accept them by right all those accounts posting only in campaign threads should receive red flag with inscription. "Post only in campaign threads" for some months and when they are active then it should be removed.
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You can read their rules carefully and then apply to those campaigns but if your rank is low you can increase your rank by posting and then again be a part of that campaign.
Everyone is allowed to apply for the campaigns that are open and the ones who contribute good stuff may get accepted in a campaign.
The campaign managers know which members are active, they also look for the posts which contain good and valuable information.
There is of course that rank requirement and if we keep that in our mind then higher rank members will get somewhat high pay rates in some signature campaigns.
It's always better to make posts without caring about the rank because if someone posts only to rank up then such type of posting may let a member to do spamming.
You talked well, I like Yahoo for that because he only picked it accept those who are active in the forum and not those who are posting only in campaign threads or once in 2 months. And if we look very well, now that we have only 3 campaigns running in the forum, the participation of members have also reduced and once there is a new campaign you will notice that all those accounts that's dormant will come up again and they don't expect a campaign manager to accept them by right all those accounts posting only in campaign threads should receive red flag with inscription. "Post only in campaign threads" for some months and when they are active then it should be removed.
Even other campaign managers are like that. They only choose among participants those active and not only posting for campaign. They want their participants to be the one who's actively contributing to the forum and not those users who are posting for the sake of completing the task alone.
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You talked well, I like Yahoo for that because he only picked it accept those who are active in the forum and not those who are posting only in campaign threads or once in 2 months. And if we look very well, now that we have only 3 campaigns running in the forum, the participation of members have also reduced and once there is a new campaign you will notice that all those accounts that's dormant will come up again and they don't expect a campaign manager to accept them by right all those accounts posting only in campaign threads should receive red flag with inscription. "Post only in campaign threads" for some months and when they are active then it should be removed.
Each campaign manager always selects participants who register according to the specified qualifications. I am also completely sure that they also look at the participant's posting history to choose which participants are more deserving of a position in the campaign and which ones are not worthy of getting that position. Like Karma, some managers also consider the amount of positive karma obtained as a measure of the quality of posts and the quality of discussions.
Users who are only active in applying for campaigns, most likely do not have a priority place, because basically only active users can provide good promotional feedback and have more updated information.
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Each campaign manager always selects participants who register according to the specified qualifications. I am also completely sure that they also look at the participant's posting history to choose which participants are more deserving of a position in the campaign and which ones are not worthy of getting that position. Like Karma, some managers also consider the amount of positive karma obtained as a measure of the quality of posts and the quality of discussions.
Users who are only active in applying for campaigns, most likely do not have a priority place, because basically only active users can provide good promotional feedback and have more updated information.
Each campaign manager has their own criteria by accepting the participants from post qualification, most active user until habit post behind some campaign manager in bitcointalk forum did the same way by accepting the participants. In Bitcointalk have merit systemt and I think here in altcoinstalk the user most receiving karma points will get priority accepting by manager campaign behind most educative and good posting qualities.
Bounty campaign manager seems will priority with their own participants usually have work each other on several campaign, its make manager easily to accept participants when having new promotion campaign.
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We need to elaborate on this two things, the campaign manager or organization may have to set their own requirement for considering a member to participate in their signature campaign, talking of karma, we have some people who have already received enough karma and were not that active to as at when they were in the past, we received karma because we have contributed well to a post, which i think the post history should be the reason why there should be acceptance into a signature campaign when a user is active, and giving a quality and consistent post.
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We need to elaborate on this two things, the campaign manager or organization may have to set their own requirement for considering a member to participate in their signature campaign, talking of karma, we have some people who have already received enough karma and were not that active to as at when they were in the past, we received karma because we have contributed well to a post, which i think the post history should be the reason why there should be acceptance into a signature campaign when a user is active, and giving a quality and consistent post.
For additional information, some campaign participants may be taken from people who were previously active on the btt forum and currently have the 'Teleported' badge. Maybe the posting history on this forum is not active enough to make a contribution, but it seems like other people also need to check the posting history on previous forums to ensure the quality of the discussions provided.
However, all decisions are in the hands of the manager and so perhaps if someone feels active enough and contributes a lot to the discussion in the forum, it may not be the manager's choice, because there are other parameters that are not written down and become the reference for a manager accepting the joining application.
For now, I think karma and active discussion are things that managers take into account.
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We need to elaborate on this two things, the campaign manager or organization may have to set their own requirement for considering a member to participate in their signature campaign, talking of karma, we have some people who have already received enough karma and were not that active to as at when they were in the past, we received karma because we have contributed well to a post, which i think the post history should be the reason why there should be acceptance into a signature campaign when a user is active, and giving a quality and consistent post.
For additional information, some campaign participants may be taken from people who were previously active on the btt forum and currently have the 'Teleported' badge. Maybe the posting history on this forum is not active enough to make a contribution, but it seems like other people also need to check the posting history on previous forums to ensure the quality of the discussions provided.
However, all decisions are in the hands of the manager and so perhaps if someone feels active enough and contributes a lot to the discussion in the forum, it may not be the manager's choice, because there are other parameters that are not written down and become the reference for a manager accepting the joining application.
For now, I think karma and active discussion are things that managers take into account.
But isn't it unfair for non teleported users here if the managers are checking how well or how active you were in another forum. We're promoting campaigns here, so the only post history being checked should only be here. Maybe in the past they have done that when the mixers campaign has just teleported here and there's no post history yet for most teleported users and the lack of applicants from non teleported users.
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But isn't it unfair for non teleported users here if the managers are checking how well or how active you were in another forum. We're promoting campaigns here, so the only post history being checked should only be here. Maybe in the past they have done that when the mixers campaign has just teleported here and there's no post history yet for most teleported users and the lack of applicants from non teleported users.
Promoting campaign is not so much about being fair with users but much more about how effective a campaign can be. So if some teleported user is expected to be more effective after being accepted to participate in the campaign than someone who has more posts here, I think that the campaign manager will rather choose the first one. And if this campaign will be successful, we'll all win from that.
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But isn't it unfair for non teleported users here if the managers are checking how well or how active you were in another forum. We're promoting campaigns here, so the only post history being checked should only be here. Maybe in the past they have done that when the mixers campaign has just teleported here and there's no post history yet for most teleported users and the lack of applicants from non teleported users.
Promoting campaign is not so much about being fair with users but much more about how effective a campaign can be. So if some teleported user is expected to be more effective after being accepted to participate in the campaign than someone who has more posts here, I think that the campaign manager will rather choose the first one. And if this campaign will be successful, we'll all win from that.
Well, I guess you have a point. Especially if the user applying to be part of the campaign despite being active and all posts made is just a shitposting, all nonsense and there's no interaction or having a discussion as they should be, campaign managers will probably look for other participants to meet their criteria.
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Promoting campaign is not so much about being fair with users but much more about how effective a campaign can be. So if some teleported user is expected to be more effective after being accepted to participate in the campaign than someone who has more posts here, I think that the campaign manager will rather choose the first one. And if this campaign will be successful, we'll all win from that.
Experienced campaign managers have criteria and characters that they look for while selecting forum members to participate in their campaign and I know that one of them is the level of activity that the user has. If you check, you will notice that the very active members of this forum have signature campaigns that are promoting or do not have signature campaigns that are promoting simply because the signature campaign they were promoting before had paused or stopped. Campaign managers have to choose the best candidates to bring the best exposure to the project they are managing.
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As an informative note, the latest signature campaign that has reached the forum, RoyalMix, has a list with the amount of karma (we can see it in the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mAWLAyjIn9dy2A2hOIYvzJ3rwh4XeBGRaCHqBsa6Wwo/edit?gid=1885214733#gid=1885214733)) that the users who have been accepted have. That is an indicator (which had to happen sooner or later) that managers are beginning to take into account the value that users bring to the forum. Adding value to the forum by helping, explaining or guiding where possible is the most valuable.
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As an informative note, the latest signature campaign that has reached the forum, RoyalMix, has a list with the amount of karma (we can see it in the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mAWLAyjIn9dy2A2hOIYvzJ3rwh4XeBGRaCHqBsa6Wwo/edit?gid=1885214733#gid=1885214733)) that the users who have been accepted have. That is an indicator (which had to happen sooner or later) that managers are beginning to take into account the value that users bring to the forum. Adding value to the forum by helping, explaining or guiding where possible is the most valuable.
That is to say karma is going to be useful and very important in campaign. But there are some people that manager accepted that were not active in the forum for a very long time and came back because of the campaign and he selected them. And leaving out those who were active Since. Is that not too bad?
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That is to say karma is going to be useful and very important in campaign. But there are some people that manager accepted that were not active in the forum for a very long time and came back because of the campaign and he selected them. And leaving out those who were active Since. Is that not too bad?
I guess it was only a matter of time before karma "could" be a deciding factor in signature campaigns, although the final decision will always be the manager of each campaign. It is also the managers' decision to accept or not users who previously "left the forum", they work on their campaigns in the way they like best, although my personal opinion is that this is not how a community is created.
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Therefore, please admin and any other staff, or moderators should tell me if karma is one of criteria for participating in bounty or Signature Campaigs and there thread clearly stated that I have not seen then please. I will like to read the thread. And I will also like to know the criteria to participate in signature campaigns that the forum spelled out.
It's not up to the admin or other staff to tell you what's the selection criteria for campaigns. Because it's up to the managers who are managing those campaigns. Each manager has their own way of selecting members. Which they might not reveal to avoid the wrong use of them. The basic criteria are written in the rules of the campaigns, for example, you are selected in a campaign and it has the criteria of "Must be able to wear signature and avatar".
So if you are able to wear your signature and avatar then you are eligible to apply. Now it's up to the manager to either accept you or not. Every campaign has its own criteria, and Karma is not one of them. I think managers see the quality of the post and rank.
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Therefore, please admin and any other staff, or moderators should tell me if karma is one of criteria for participating in bounty or Signature Campaigs and there thread clearly stated that I have not seen then please. I will like to read the thread. And I will also like to know the criteria to participate in signature campaigns that the forum spelled out.
It's not up to the admin or other staff to tell you what's the selection criteria for campaigns. Because it's up to the managers who are managing those campaigns. Each manager has their own way of selecting members. Which they might not reveal to avoid the wrong use of them. The basic criteria are written in the rules of the campaigns, for example, you are selected in a campaign and it has the criteria of "Must be able to wear signature and avatar".
So if you are able to wear your signature and avatar then you are eligible to apply. Now it's up to the manager to either accept you or not. Every campaign has its own criteria, and Karma is not one of them. I think managers see the quality of the post and rank.
I think admin has made his input on this matter from the first page if you were reading the comments on the first page, you would have seen it. Karma was not among the criteria for the selection of campaign participants before but at time goes managers have started using karma has the major priority to the selection. And we can see it from the recent concluded two campaigns that were opened.
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It's not up to the admin or other staff to tell you what's the selection criteria for campaigns. Because it's up to the managers who are managing those campaigns. Each manager has their own way of selecting members. Which they might not reveal to avoid the wrong use of them. The basic criteria are written in the rules of the campaigns, for example, you are selected in a campaign and it has the criteria of "Must be able to wear signature and avatar".
So if you are able to wear your signature and avatar then you are eligible to apply. Now it's up to the manager to either accept you or not. Every campaign has its own criteria, and Karma is not one of them. I think managers see the quality of the post and rank.
What you say is correct, only managers decide (regardless of their individual criteria) which users are accepted in their campaigns, but as @Agbe says (+1), the karma of each user, sooner or later, will become an important factor. We must also remember that the administrator is working on an update to the karma system that will consist of the need to have a specific amount of positive karma in order to reach a new rank, and no, it has nothing to do with the BTT merit system, so no one should worry.
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...and Karma is not one of them.
Then I will strongly disagree with you on this point. Before I even create this thread, I noticed that Yahoo, used karma to select his participants and that lead me to know the criteria because the admin and other staff said karma was not used to rank up and just a mere reward someone gives to you if your comment is reasonable and contributing to knowledge. So when yahoo used karma for his selection then I was moved to create this.
And recently Icopress massively used karma for his two campaigns launched before last week and you can confirm it from the spreadsheet. And Icopress said, those who would wear the avatar and signature from the free campaign he launched had the opportunity to be selected to his campaign, but they where edged out from the application, and those who were not active in the forum and only visit when there is campaign were accepted. And I see that is not really good. And campaign is meant for those who have been active in the forum and not for just waking up accounts. And that should be added in the criteria whether the user is in the cartel, if he was not active then there is no need for accepting him. Let's say the truth sometimes.
Freemind thanks for encouraging users with +1. And good answers.
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What you say is correct, only managers decide (regardless of their individual criteria) which users are accepted in their campaigns, but as @Agbe says (+1), the karma of each user, sooner or later, will become an important factor. We must also remember that the administrator is working on an update to the karma system that will consist of the need to have a specific amount of positive karma in order to reach a new rank, and no, it has nothing to do with the BTT merit system, so no one should worry.
One day later, karma become most important part for user get criteria for participating in campaign but all decision depend on each manager behind some user get less karma points but get accept on their campaign.
Most of all bounty manager of signature campaign here from bitcointalk forum, seems they will adopt the same way have adopt early in bitcointalk about merit requirement needed and in altcoinstalk forum they will use with karma point minimum to get participants in signature or campaign bounties.
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Karma was not among the criteria for the selection of campaign participants before but at time goes managers have started using karma has the major priority to the selection. And we can see it from the recent concluded two campaigns that were opened.
Campaign managers may be looking at how many Karma's a member has before accepting them now, but i am sure that's not the only criteria and it may not be the most important criteria. I believe we should leave the managers to personally decide what their criterias are, without digging into it, you could be making very good posts, but without earning Karma very fast, so managers are going to pay more attention to the quality of posts the member makes.
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But isn't it unfair for non teleported users here if the managers are checking how well or how active you were in another forum. We're promoting campaigns here, so the only post history being checked should only be here. Maybe in the past they have done that when the mixers campaign has just teleported here and there's no post history yet for most teleported users and the lack of applicants from non teleported users.
Promoting campaign is not so much about being fair with users but much more about how effective a campaign can be. So if some teleported user is expected to be more effective after being accepted to participate in the campaign than someone who has more posts here, I think that the campaign manager will rather choose the first one. And if this campaign will be successful, we'll all win from that.
Well, I guess you have a point. Especially if the user applying to be part of the campaign despite being active and all posts made is just a shitposting, all nonsense and there's no interaction or having a discussion as they should be, campaign managers will probably look for other participants to meet their criteria.
Since the managers are from the other forum, I believe that they have already worked with most of the participants that the choosein the other forum and they know that they are quality posters. This is why you see that the managers will select them even if they are not posting much here because I know that participating in signature campaigns will motivate everyone to be a tive and put in their best. Also some where also part of the campaign in the other forum and when they teleport their accounts here, it will be automatic acceptance by the campaign manager.
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The forum, like everything in life, must evolve. What would not be normal is that any user who has an account only uses it to participate in signature campaigns and when there are no campaigns they do not contribute to the forum, they have the same opportunities as other users who are "always" here. I understand that we all have things to do in life, family, work... But we must be aware that signature campaigns, after all, are a privilege, and that this privilege cannot be shared in the same way for one type of user as for others.
Freemind thanks for encouraging users with +1. And good answers.
This is how we (all of us) improve the forum ;)
One day later, karma become most important part for user get criteria for participating in campaign but all decision depend on each manager behind some user get less karma points but get accept on their campaign.
Most of all bounty manager of signature campaign here from bitcointalk forum, seems they will adopt the same way have adopt early in bitcointalk about merit requirement needed and in altcoinstalk forum they will use with karma point minimum to get participants in signature or campaign bounties.
I think that sooner or later it will be like this, but that does not mean that all managers make the same decision or use the same criteria in their campaigns. It may be staggered, but time will tell.
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At the end its the bounty manager who decides that.
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We must also remember that the administrator is working on an update to the karma system that will consist of the need to have a specific amount of positive karma in order to reach a new rank
That is nice move but if the admin is working on the karma system to tally with ranks then he has to upgrade those who have 0, 1, 2 or less karma and they are already in Full Member and above because of they teleported from another forum. So that when the when the Karma is used to rank up then those people will not be affected again.
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That is nice move but if the admin is working on the karma system to tally with ranks then he has to upgrade those who have 0, 1, 2 or less karma and they are already in Full Member and above because of they teleported from another forum. So that when the when the Karma is used to rank up then those people will not be affected again.
When the new karma system goes live, the administrator will have to adjust the ranks of some users to comply with the rules of the new karma system. The ranks of the affected users will be adjusted to the position indicated by the new rules and from that moment on the ranks of all forum users will be governed by these rules. Nothing will be left to chance so that all users have the same possibilities. We just have to be patient so that the administrator can implement it in the forum.
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At the end its the bounty manager who decides that.
Absolutely, and that is why i don't think it is necessary to be concerned about what the criteria is exactly. Just be a regular forum user, make quality posts, engage in discussions, don't spam, etc, and leave the bounty manager to make their choice of choosing you or not. But if you are a quality user, and there is enough campaigns in the forum, you'll surely get selected into one.
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At the end its the bounty manager who decides that.
True, finally bounty manager have full controlling take decision for participating approving or not matter how good your account reputation or how many karma do you have. I memorized well with some bounty campaign manager on bitcointalk forum always priority with their citizen only. Most of the participants in their campaign dominance by their citizen with the same board on local post. I think its not worth behind have most experienced manager reduce the participant in his campaign when having around two until three user with the same country.
I think you are remember who is the manager only priority with his citizen although have many user have good criteria but failed for approving.
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True, finally bounty manager have full controlling take decision for participating approving or not matter how good your account reputation or how many karma do you have. I memorized well with some bounty campaign manager on bitcointalk forum always priority with their citizen only. Most of the participants in their campaign dominance by their citizen with the same board on local post. I think its not worth behind have most experienced manager reduce the participant in his campaign when having around two until three user with the same country.
I think you are remember who is the manager only priority with his citizen although have many user have good criteria but failed for approving.
Although I have always respected the decision and individual criteria of the managers of the signature campaigns, I believe that only selecting participants who have a specific nationality does not make much sense. I don't know who you are referring to, but any user of any nationality should have the same chances of participating. There are good users in every country in the world with opinions as valid as any other.
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True, finally bounty manager have full controlling take decision for participating approving or not matter how good your account reputation or how many karma do you have. I memorized well with some bounty campaign manager on bitcointalk forum always priority with their citizen only. Most of the participants in their campaign dominance by their citizen with the same board on local post. I think its not worth behind have most experienced manager reduce the participant in his campaign when having around two until three user with the same country.
I think you are remember who is the manager only priority with his citizen although have many user have good criteria but failed for approving.
Although I have always respected the decision and individual criteria of the managers of the signature campaigns, I believe that only selecting participants who have a specific nationality does not make much sense. I don't know who you are referring to, but any user of any nationality should have the same chances of participating. There are good users in every country in the world with opinions as valid as any other.
There are times when the service that’s been promoted (via signature) is targeting people from a specific country that’s when campaign managers add that to the campaign thread, but saying that the campaign select participants based on the fact that they are from the same country is not true.
I have worked with several campaign managers in Bitcointalk and none of them are from my country, it just depends on what you have to offer, how you make your post and how well you know about the service that’s being promoted (most persons don’t even know what they are promoting) - nationality is not a factor (except in rare cases).
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Although I have always respected the decision and individual criteria of the managers of the signature campaigns, I believe that only selecting participants who have a specific nationality does not make much sense. I don't know who you are referring to, but any user of any nationality should have the same chances of participating. There are good users in every country in the world with opinions as valid as any other.
Sometimes interaction in the local board may be a reason for giving priority to the participants there. For example, the Russian and Turkish languages had high interaction in bitcointalk. Sometimes campaign managers prefer diversity so that one member is added to each local council or specific council, and so on.
Therefore, when there are a greater number of open slots available, the chance of you joining a campaign will be higher based on normal criteria such as karma, activity, popularity, trust, etc.
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Sometimes interaction in the local board may be a reason for giving priority to the participants there. For example, the Russian and Turkish languages had high interaction in bitcointalk. Sometimes campaign managers prefer diversity so that one member is added to each local council or specific council, and so on.
Therefore, when there are a greater number of open slots available, the chance of you joining a campaign will be higher based on normal criteria such as karma, activity, popularity, trust, etc.
Seeing it the way you explain it, it makes more sense, and although I know that each manager has their own criteria when selecting participants, I never thought that nationality would be one of them, we always learn something. Here Russian is also one of the languages that has the most participants and activity, however there are other languages, like Spanish for example, which has very little, other languages have 0 participation unfortunately. I hope that changes in the near future.
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I think the admin have nothing to do with how campaign managers decide to use karma as criteria for selecting participants, the managers have the sole right and since campaign managers are looking for quality posters to promote the brand, karma I a show of rewards for quality posting and contribution, this balance the whole thing why campaign manager may decide to use karma as criteria for selections.
Just like in the bitcointalk forum, same goes here when comparing karma vs merits.
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I think the admin have nothing to do with how campaign managers decide to use karma as criteria for selecting participants, the managers have the sole right and since campaign managers are looking for quality posters to promote the brand, karma I a show of rewards for quality posting and contribution, this balance the whole thing why campaign manager may decide to use karma as criteria for selections.
Just like in the bitcointalk forum, same goes here when comparing karma vs merits.
No, the administrator has nothing to do with what we are talking about here, it is the sole and exclusive decision of those responsible for the signature campaigns.
I should also say that karma does not work the same way as merits in BTT since they are not necessary (until a future system update and to a lesser extent) for the account rank to increase. I repeat this so that new users do not think that both systems work the same.
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It depends on the campaign manager on what rules or what criteria is required before someone can join the campaign. As you may have read, others have mentioned that it requires karma before you can join but it doesn't go that way but a campaign manager may require a certain amount of karma before someone can join the campaign. In short, it all depends on the campaign manager on what rules or criteria that should be set on the campaign.
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Just like in the bitcointalk forum, same goes here when comparing karma vs merits.
True, it is almost the same thing, just works in slightly different ways, because here we cannot see the posts we earn +/- Karma on, and also there is no demerit in bitcointalk forum, but there is - Karma in this forum, and too bad that people abuse it.
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True, it is almost the same thing, just works in slightly different ways, because here we cannot see the posts we earn +/- Karma on, and also there is no demerit in bitcointalk forum, but there is - Karma in this forum, and too bad that people abuse it.
People will always abuse anything that can bring them profit, so some sell merits on BTT, or give them to themselves with the help of alt accounts, and I have no doubt that many abuse karma on this forum - which is actually very easy because, apart from the admin, no one see who gave whom +/- karma. While this has advantages in that there are no personal conflicts, the system is far from ideal.
I hope that the admin will complete the feature as soon as possible that will allow us to at least see which post has received karma points, and that way we will at least have an insight into how users use karma points.
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I think the admin have nothing to do with how campaign managers decide to use karma as criteria for selecting participants, the managers have the sole right and since campaign managers are looking for quality posters to promote the brand, karma I a show of rewards for quality posting and contribution, this balance the whole thing why campaign manager may decide to use karma as criteria for selections.
Just like in the bitcointalk forum, same goes here when comparing karma vs merits.
Obviously, buddy, this is so obvious that the manager has the sole right to select campaign participants in any project as they have been working in this field from long time and they have good experience which one should be selected for their campaign advertisement. other than that, As we know the manager is one who brings projects on the forum so he/she is the source and has the sole right of selecting participants. Well, in my point of view if we talk about Bitcoin talk you may see some posters that have very less merits in 120 days but they are still working in campaigns just because of their good posting behavior.
Other than that here Karma system is still under development and I came to know about it after reading some posts here on the forum maybe the criteria may change after the implementation of the new system.
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I hope that the admin will complete the feature as soon as possible that will allow us to at least see which post has received karma points, and that way we will at least have an insight into how users use karma points.
True, i cannot wait for that update and if i remember correctly, i read that the admin is working on it. To be honest, it cannot come any sooner as we are almost in the dark about anything related to karma. We cannot see the posts we get +/- karma and we cannot also see the users who give them to us, with the new feature, at least we would be able to see the posts we get karma on.
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People will always abuse anything that can bring them profit, so some sell merits on BTT, or give them to themselves with the help of alt accounts, and I have no doubt that many abuse karma on this forum - which is actually very easy because, apart from the admin, no one see who gave whom +/- karma. While this has advantages in that there are no personal conflicts, the system is far from ideal.
I hope that the admin will complete the feature as soon as possible that will allow us to at least see which post has received karma points, and that way we will at least have an insight into how users use karma points.
Any system is far from being ideal, since everything can be improved, but factors must be included that will almost always leave shadows and that will make said system not perfect. In these cases, where there is always something that overshadows the work done, it is best to adapt it over time by adding new ideas.
Even so, the system will never be perfect as I have told you, but with each new update it will get closer to the best possible idea in order to satisfy the greatest number of users possible.
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Even so, the system will never be perfect as I have told you, but with each new update it will get closer to the best possible idea in order to satisfy the greatest number of users possible.
I'm not fooling myself that the system can be perfect, it's simply impossible to achieve - but if we care that bad people don't take advantage of the flaws of any system (and I think most care when it comes to the forum) then we should make it impossible for them or at least make it more difficult.
I'm sure that the system will improve even more in the future, it's just a matter of time.
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Before one can apply for a particular campaign on this forum, you need to have been used to the forum, rank up to at least a a member or full member rank, then try as much to study on the campaign rules on any available campaign on the forum, take your time in reading the rules and make sure you understand them and see that you meet up with the minimum requirement for that campaign before applying.
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Before one can apply for a particular campaign on this forum, you need to have been used to the forum, rank up to at least a a member or full member rank, then try as much to study on the campaign rules on any available campaign on the forum, take your time in reading the rules and make sure you understand them and see that you meet up with the minimum requirement for that campaign before applying.
From all the indications at the time when I came to the forum, the way you explained was how things were but when new managers came things change, and karma has been included to the criteria. So I was trying to know basically from the pioneers to know how things were running before we came and as it is now everything has changed and nobody is trying to revise it. Now the campaign managers have their policies on selection and not the forum policy. From your explanation Karma is not included but now it is the top priority foe selecting participants.
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Every campaign manager has their criteria for choosing participants that will partake in the campaigns they manage. For them to give any kind of criteria for the selection of their campaign is their business, not ours. If you do like the campaign rule, you apply for the campaign. If you don't, you ignore the campaign by not applying. But having it in mind nobody has the right to question the campaign manager on why they chose any kind of criteria for their campaign selection. Karma or karma, leave it like that for the campaign manager
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then try as much to study on the campaign rules on any available campaign on the forum, take your time in reading the rules and make sure you understand them and see that you meet up with the minimum requirement for that campaign before applying.
You do not need to study campaign rules, there is nothing difficult in getting to know the campaign rules when you are eventually hired by a manager. Take note that the forum is about crypto discussions, and that is what one should do when they join the forum, share you ideas, make good posts and learn from what other users post. Then when there is a campaign open, you can apply and see if the manager takes you or not.
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I'm not fooling myself that the system can be perfect, it's simply impossible to achieve - but if we care that bad people don't take advantage of the flaws of any system (and I think most care when it comes to the forum) then we should make it impossible for them or at least make it more difficult.
I'm sure that the system will improve even more in the future, it's just a matter of time.
Correct. It is about polishing these defects to solve them and making it as difficult as possible to leave loose ends that can be taken advantage of by users who do not want to do things correctly. But that requires time to monitor how the new system works and add new ideas/solutions to make it more effective wherever possible.
I'm looking forward to seeing it work. I hope the admin posts an update on this matter soon.
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I'm looking forward to seeing it work. I hope the admin posts an update on this matter soon.
I am also looking forward to it, like i have said a couple of times, i believe it will generally improve the forum and reduce abuse too. I believe when the admin posts an update, forum members would also see how it works and report for bugs or aspects that need a little tweak.
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I hope that the admin will complete the feature as soon as possible that will allow us to at least see which post has received karma points, and that way we will at least have an insight into how users use karma points.
True, i cannot wait for that update and if i remember correctly, i read that the admin is working on it. To be honest, it cannot come any sooner as we are almost in the dark about anything related to karma. We cannot see the posts we get +/- karma and we cannot also see the users who give them to us, with the new feature, at least we would be able to see the posts we get karma on.
I think that will doused the tensions the of users in the forum concerning +Karma and -Karma. And karma is going to be very useful in the forum to join campaign. Some managers has already implemented. There is another thing the admin needs to work in the forum is the numerous boards in the forum and he needs to merge some of the boards to one.
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There is another thing the admin needs to work in the forum is the numerous boards in the forum and he needs to merge some of the boards to one.
Is there really too many boards or does each of them have its own purpose, i think it is the latter. I feel the reason you feel we have too many boards is because the forum has not reached its full potential in terms of traffic, once the traffic grows to a good level, you will find discussions happening in most of those boards you think are unnecessary, because members will be most active in boards that interest them the most.
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There is another thing the admin needs to work in the forum is the numerous boards in the forum and he needs to merge some of the boards to one.
Is there really too many boards or does each of them have its own purpose, i think it is the latter. I feel the reason you feel we have too many boards is because the forum has not reached its full potential in terms of traffic, once the traffic grows to a good level, you will find discussions happening in most of those boards you think are unnecessary, because members will be most active in boards that interest them the most.
I don't think even if the forum reaches full potential we still have lot of unnecessary sections which are never visited by 90% of the users. I have been here for a while and certainly it's bit too much and certain boards can be merged into one to route all the relevant discussions takes place at one area instead of spreading around multiple places.
Anyway it's getting way too off topic from the context of this actual creation.
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Is there really too many boards or does each of them have its own purpose, i think it is the latter. I feel the reason you feel we have too many boards is because the forum has not reached its full potential in terms of traffic, once the traffic grows to a good level, you will find discussions happening in most of those boards you think are unnecessary, because members will be most active in boards that interest them the most.
Have many sub board can't guarantee with the forum will get more higher traffic, its very important for us only focus with board seems interested and easily for creating our related ideas with board or topic duscussing.
Some member have habit only active on several board without try explore all board in altcoinstalk forum, its not necessary by Bounty Manager campaign must explore or make post all board site here,
keep allowing with generally board are the campaign participants habits and most of them make post each board in daily day around one until two post.
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I feel the reason you feel we have too many boards is because the forum has not reached its full potential in terms of traffic ~Snip~
Yes, I also think in the same way as you, the current traffic of forum isn't very high and that's why most of those boards are inactive. Once the forum gets more traffic then most of those boards will have some kind of activity and there's chance that some of those boards may get more active than currently active boards.
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Is there really too many boards or does each of them have its own purpose, i think it is the latter. I feel the reason you feel we have too many boards is because the forum has not reached its full potential in terms of traffic, once the traffic grows to a good level, you will find discussions happening in most of those boards you think are unnecessary, because members will be most active in boards that interest them the most.
Have many sub board can't guarantee with the forum will get more higher traffic, its very important for us only focus with board seems interested and easily for creating our related ideas with board or topic duscussing.
Some member have habit only active on several board without try explore all board in altcoinstalk forum, its not necessary by Bounty Manager campaign must explore or make post all board site here,
keep allowing with generally board are the campaign participants habits and most of them make post each board in daily day around one until two post.
We have discussed a lot from out of content and let us come back to main cause of the discussion. And what do you think the future of the forum will be concerning the criteria for joining campaign? Because it is obvious now that karma has already been chosen and the rank is all the same. Now apart from karma and rank, is there any other criteria needed to join campaign? Okay let's include good or quality posters. But karma was not part of the selection and that was why many people who were teleported to this forum was accepted in campaign so why the sudden change?
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Therefore, please admin and any other staff, or moderators should tell me if karma is one of criteria for participating in bounty or Signature Campaigs and there thread clearly stated that I have not seen then please. I will like to read the thread. And I will also like to know the criteria to participate in signature campaigns that the forum spelled out.
Thanks for your friendly responses.
I have not seen any campaign that put karma as part of the requirement before applying for a signature campaign. However, the admin knows why he is the only one who set it this way. I think the requirement for a signature campaign has been active. Some people only come here once in a while, so they can’t get a signature campaign because they are not active that much, so this type of person may find it hard to get accepted.
However, I don’t think the admin or any moderator will know the criteria for the signature campaign here because they are not the managers. I think the campaign rules and requirements are set by the managers, not admins or any moderators.
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I have not seen any campaign that put karma as part of the requirement before applying for a signature campaign. However, the admin knows why he is the only one who set it this way. I think the requirement for a signature campaign has been active. Some people only come here once in a while, so they can’t get a signature campaign because they are not active that much, so this type of person may find it hard to get accepted.
However, I don’t think the admin or any moderator will know the criteria for the signature campaign here because they are not the managers. I think the campaign rules and requirements are set by the managers, not admins or any moderators.
The fact that signature campaign managers do not talk about Karma to accept any user in their campaigns does not mean that it is not something they take into account when selecting participants. I can't speak for the admin or the other moderators, but something tells me that if you make a list of users who apply for a campaign, it is very likely that some have more Karma than other users who have not been selected, although of course there are other factors.
A user's activity on the forum is important, but it is not everything. Karma will be something that will become more and more important, especially seeing the number of campaigns and users that the forum is beginning to have.
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But karma was not part of the selection and that was why many people who were teleported to this forum was accepted in campaign so why the sudden change?
You know that each campaign manager will have their own individual standard and criteria, it is not a general thing. Managers may look at karma, but i am sure that it cannot be all they look at, and if the account is newly teleported, they may not look at karma for such accounts. I believe as a forum member, we don't have to worry about any criteria and just make good posts and join quality discussions.
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As a recent example, anyone can visit the Telegram group of a manager who did not want to admit a user to a signature campaign for having the "Regrets" badge.
As I have always said when we talk about this topic, each manager has their own way of working and logically those ways of working are not written nor is it something that all managers should do.
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I think some campaign managers may want to consider the use of karma in their criterial for selection just as merit is being used on other platform, karma is just to show how someone have been consistent about his posting and how often he receives the required karma from doing so, which is a proof that the user is a quality poster, but as for the teleported accounts, i thing that the campaign mangers may also have to consider their active rank and reputation from the other forum in judging as some may just have teleported their own account and yet to build up karma or trust here.
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You know that each campaign manager will have their own individual standard and criteria, it is not a general thing. Managers may look at karma, but i am sure that it cannot be all they look at, and if the account is newly teleported, they may not look at karma for such accounts. I believe as a forum member, we don't have to worry about any criteria and just make good posts and join quality discussions.
Each manager have difference criteria about acceptable participants for their signature service campaign, including how many karma points receiving until common rule about high post qualities until habit sub board qualities. I don't think any problem about teleported account or not behind some signature service manager are teleported user and they know well about the participants because have working each other at Bitcointalk forum.
Just increasing good post qualities and looking the current acceptable participants which one board are their post habit to get large chance qualify or accepting by bounty campaign manager when have slot campaign.
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We have discussed a lot from out of content and let us come back to main cause of the discussion. And what do you think the future of the forum will be concerning the criteria for joining campaign? Because it is obvious now that karma has already been chosen and the rank is all the same. Now apart from karma and rank, is there any other criteria needed to join campaign? Okay let's include good or quality posters. But karma was not part of the selection and that was why many people who were teleported to this forum was accepted in campaign so why the sudden change?
I will only answer this base on what I think and how maybe it is about the issue of karma and campaigns. Firstly, karma can be given by anyone and that makes it easily accessible to anyone to give anybody they wish to. Using karma as criteria to get into campaigns at this point might be misused as members will only focus on how to give karma to an account without minding the quality of the post the account creates in the forum.
Secondly, since it’s just like a like and dislike button in the forum, it does not really make it a big deal to use it as criteria for choosing one into a campaign because not everyone will feel the need to always click on that button to give the karma even when they like the content of the post.
The managers knows best what they look into before accepting members into their campaign and I thinks that can only be known to them and may differ for different managers and what they really want from their participants in the campaign.
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Ikarma can be given by anyone and that makes it easily accessible to anyone to give anybody they wish to.
I think that is not... Karma can be send only from Sr. Member and not from anyone below Sr. Member. And it can be given to someone with differently either the person behaviour is good and also to a quality post. And even though the person post qualitatively and the behaviour is bad, he would not received +karma and instead, it is only -Karma will be in his account or profile. And your second part, karma was not part of the criteria to rank up a user in the forum but your activities.
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I have not seen any campaign that put karma as part of the requirement before applying for a signature campaign.
You are right. Bounty managers didn't put the karma requirements on campaign rules. But it doesn't mean the bounty managers didn't consider the number of karma for the acceptance of the participants. I guess the number of karma can be another consideration to accept a certain member in this forum. So far, I only see Icopress who counts the change of karma in the spreadsheet. This indicates BM Icopress cares with the number of karma.
However, the admin knows why he is the only one who set it this way.
Of course, Admin knows it very well.
However, I don’t think the admin or any moderator will know the criteria for the signature campaign here because they are not the managers. I think the campaign rules and requirements are set by the managers, not admins or any moderators.
The criteria of signature campaign is determined by the bounty managers. Admin and moderators have nothing to do with the criteria of signature campaigns. So if there are people who want to give suggestions about the criteria, they should talk to the bounty managers. But we must know that bounty managers have the right to determine any criteria in their campaigns.
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I think that is not... Karma can be send only from Sr. Member and not from anyone below Sr. Member. And it can be given to someone with differently either the person behaviour is good and also to a quality post. And even though the person post qualitatively and the behaviour is bad, he would not received +karma and instead, it is only -Karma will be in his account or profile. And your second part, karma was not part of the criteria to rank up a user in the forum but your activities.
Karma could be given to every one just have limitation each 24 hours have three opportunity for sending karma to the other, but seems get privacy when sending karma point to the other user because only admin have controlling and know well with some one active sending karma or which one user most ever receiving karma.
Karma could be one valuable side for bounty campaign manager to priority for their campaign participants, inside have good qualities post will make special for some one easily get criteria from bounty campaign manager approving in their campaign then other user have good post only but less karma points.
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I think that is not... Karma can be send only from Sr. Member and not from anyone below Sr. Member. And it can be given to someone with differently either the person behaviour is good and also to a quality post. And even though the person post qualitatively and the behaviour is bad, he would not received +karma and instead, it is only -Karma will be in his account or profile. And your second part, karma was not part of the criteria to rank up a user in the forum but your activities.
Karma could be given to every one just have limitation each 24 hours have three opportunity for sending karma to the other, but seems get privacy when sending karma point to the other user because only admin have controlling and know well with some one active sending karma or which one user most ever receiving karma.
Karma could be one valuable side for bounty campaign manager to priority for their campaign participants, inside have good qualities post will make special for some one easily get criteria from bounty campaign manager approving in their campaign then other user have good post only but less karma points.
Yes but not everyone can give karma. And that was what I was saying. And I don't think it is up to 24hours but it is 10 hours. And I just did a practical of it and this the result.
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/08/16/7mSfb.jpeg)
So in the 24hours period, you can give 2 karma to post that is quality enough. And not 3 karma because 10+10=20 reminder 4 and within this 4 hours interval, you can't send karma until the 10 hours complete. And karma can be given to a good behaviour user as I did just now to a local board which I don't know the language but because of the way the user behave, I say his name and others and I gave them karma.
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I think that will doused the tensions the of users in the forum concerning +Karma and -Karma. And karma is going to be very useful in the forum to join campaign. Some managers has already implemented. There is another thing the admin needs to work in the forum is the numerous boards in the forum and he needs to merge some of the boards to one.
It is normal for many users to feel this tension. But everyone must understand that Karma is not everything in the forum. We all make mistakes, we all use words that sometimes may not be the most correct, we all have bad days, but losing Karma is not the end of the world, we can always recover it by contributing useful and positive things to the forum.
It is possible that one day managers will "require" a minimum amount of positive Karma to participate in campaigns, in the same way that some use the forum's quality bar to accept users or not. The best and simplest thing about all this is that if a user does not violate the forum rules and makes quality contributions with good posts, there will never be any problem.
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Therefore, please admin and any other staff, or moderators should tell me if karma is one of criteria for participating in bounty or Signature Campaigs and there thread clearly stated that I have not seen then please. I will like to read the thread. And I will also like to know the criteria to participate in signature campaigns that the forum spelled out.
In short, all participant criteria related to bounty, airdrop or campaign are set by the manager.. while the admin and moderator are to set permission for the procurement... the admin will prohibit the campaign personally through communication between the manager and admin... and the mechanism for accepting participants is based on the absolute decision of the manager....
Please note that the character of each manager is different... this usually also adjusts to the bounty, airdrop or campaign that he/she is running... the criteria can vary, and it also includes karma... some consider karma as an entry requirement, some do not consider it.... but now, the measuring tool in this forum regarding user quality is karma and badges... so it is natural that managers often see participants who are worthy or not to join their campaign based on these parameters.
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Please note that the character of each manager is different... this usually also adjusts to the bounty, airdrop or campaign that he/she is running... the criteria can vary, and it also includes karma... some consider karma as an entry requirement, some do not consider it.... but now, the measuring tool in this forum regarding user quality is karma and badges... so it is natural that managers often see participants who are worthy or not to join their campaign based on these parameters.
Right, every bounty campaign manager have difference character for recruiting the user in their campaign and not all manager have the same rule when approving the participants exactly in signature campaign service.
Some bounties campaign manager looks easily approving the user without giving many regulation regarding have good qualities posit and their post habit.
In other side, have bounty campaign manager have completed regulation from karma points must increasing every week and they are regulated for user must earn minimum 10 karma points such as in bitcontalk forum.
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And your second part, karma was not part of the criteria to rank up a user in the forum but your activities.
This has been the case since the beginning of the forum. But it is something that will change in the future (there is no approximate date for that update yet) and positive karma will become a necessary part of reaching new ranks. This new rule would only affect the lowest ranks, to somehow avoid spam and abuse.
More information about the suggestion that was made is available in this thread: Karma 0 = your rank will go up (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=212849.0).
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I have not seen any campaign that put karma as part of the requirement before applying for a signature campaign. However, the admin knows why he is the only one who set it this way. I think the requirement for a signature campaign has been active. Some people only come here once in a while, so they can’t get a signature campaign because they are not active that much, so this type of person may find it hard to get accepted.
However, I don’t think the admin or any moderator will know the criteria for the signature campaign here because they are not the managers. I think the campaign rules and requirements are set by the managers, not admins or any moderators.
The fact that signature campaign managers do not talk about Karma to accept any user in their campaigns does not mean that it is not something they take into account when selecting participants. I can't speak for the admin or the other moderators, but something tells me that if you make a list of users who apply for a campaign, it is very likely that some have more Karma than other users who have not been selected, although of course there are other factors.
A user's activity on the forum is important, but it is not everything. Karma will be something that will become more and more important, especially seeing the number of campaigns and users that the forum is beginning to have.
Yes, and it could be their reputation as well, most of them are coming from BTT and so they have the image already when they teleported here. And so even if they don't have that much karma, campaign managers are going to accept them based on that fact. But for those who doesn't have that reputation, we really have to work very hard to earn karma and the higher we get the better chances that we can be accepted in a signature campaign, in my opinion. So it is still very important to get Karma as it's preceded your reputation here.
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Yes, and it could be their reputation as well, most of them are coming from BTT and so they have the image already when they teleported here. And so even if they don't have that much karma, campaign managers are going to accept them based on that fact. But for those who doesn't have that reputation, we really have to work very hard to earn karma and the higher we get the better chances that we can be accepted in a signature campaign, in my opinion. So it is still very important to get Karma as it's preceded your reputation here.
For teleported account easily monitoring the user reputation exactly from bitcointalk if get redtrust, all campaign manager seems firstly priority the teleported user because most of them have work each other when campaign on bitcointalk forum and make bounty manager easily know quality post until reputation of altcoinstalk user from teleported.
Karma points could be important thing how to make campaign manager interested for approving the user have many karma points,
but if you low reputation in bitcointalk seems difficult to get many karma points but keep push up qualities post to earn karma.
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This is entirely driven by the bounty manager decision as to what conditions he will offer to participate in the signature bounty. Those who post very good quality get good reputation. However you only give karma to someone when his post quality is good. So the signature campaign values those who have more karma. Because their activities are compared to being full respectfully members. You can also check the issue from btt forum where signature campaigns are trusted by those who have a lot of merit in their accounts. You should check the post of a more merit account, then you will understand how helpful post they make.
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Make yourself as attractive as possible in this forum, because managers always consider your account performance before actually accepting you as a campaign participant or bounty participant... in my opinion, what needs to be fixed is
1 - rank .. this rank indicates your experience in discussing and forums, the higher your rank of course the better...
2 - karma .. in some cases, because this karma is often associated with quality poster presentations, it can be used as a consideration for managers to accept you as a potential participant
3 - avoid bad badges... some people in this forum who abuse the rules will get some bad badges which of course will make the value of the account you run less
Prove that you are a good person and never break the rules... build your reputation here and you will get a priority position to be able to join several campaigns....
please correct me if there are some points that I explained that are still not right..