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Further Discussions => Economics , Sociology & Politics => Topic started by: target on August 06, 2024, 09:18:43 AM
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I didn't know governments have been experimenting Universal Basic Income even before I have learned about it. The term is just something else in every country but generally its the same concept as giving monthly support to people on certain places, a city or people in a low income town.
Interest that every experiment, they find different result depending on the kind of community and I guess they are also measuring the success of the program base on how happy the people are while the program runs and whether it improves thier lives and whether people are encouraged to find jobs.
At your current status, what would be the effect of the UBI to you if you got this monthly for a year? Are you in favor of UBI or not?
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For me the idea is good but this is I think prone to anomalies I mean favorite by most corrupt politicians and this could also lead to people being so dependent to the government aid which is currently happening here in my third world country. I also belong to a poor family but as far as I remember I only got maybe 3-4 times financial and medical aid so yeah it's okay for me because I know there are some other people who need the most of it but the thing is they became abusive they became agressive when aid was delayed or was not on it's way I just don't understand if it was really worth it or not.
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We may not fail to pay the expenses of food and drink or electricity and housing bills compared to the costs of rent and health care, so providing support for both rent and health care is much better than sending monthly amounts
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Knowing human nature it won't work. I hope to see it happen just to see if I am correct.
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We may not fail to pay the expenses of food and drink or electricity and housing bills compared to the costs of rent and health care, so providing support for both rent and health care is much better than sending monthly amounts
There are criterias to pass before a person or a family will be qualified to bet a monthly UBI in my country. They check the backgrounds of a person before they grant so its seem fair to provide assistance to the poor income families.
But they should be reminded every time that there is a time when it will be over like this UBI is a contract which they need to find ways to make money before that date so that they will not be dependent.
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At your current status, what would be the effect of the UBI to you if you got this monthly for a year? Are you in favor of UBI or not?
It wouldn't impact much to my status and I'm not in favor of UBI. I believe it's not going to help anyone and things will get costlier because of it and those who get UBI may not even consider doing any type of hard working and thus the world will start to change overtime.
Instead of doing that UBI the countries at universal level should make agreements to limit the taxes and that could be much helpful instead of that UBI. But we all know that something like that isn't possible to happen anytime soon.
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At your current status, what would be the effect of the UBI to you if you got this monthly for a year? Are you in favor of UBI or not?
It wouldn't impact much to my status and I'm not in favor of UBI. I believe it's not going to help anyone and things will get costlier because of it and those who get UBI may not even consider doing any type of hard working and thus the world will start to change overtime.
Instead of doing that UBI the countries at universal level should make agreements to limit the taxes and that could be much helpful instead of that UBI. But we all know that something like that isn't possible to happen anytime soon.
This is what I was concerned of to be honest because this actually has happened and is still happening here in my third world country where people are getting dependent on it and even wanted to get more which is alarming given that this was only a campaign to help them out temporarily and yeah they really are not doing anything that could change their situation and if there is then it's my bad.
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At your current status, what would be the effect of the UBI to you if you got this monthly for a year? Are you in favor of UBI or not?
I've also watched that video (I'm his subscriber), and there's one thing that came to my mind. Inflation.
One part of that video said that in US, if you will give each and every person $1000, it will cost them around $4 Trillion per year. I don't know the exact numbers, but the point is that, the more money we will be releasing in public, the weaker it will be. I mean we've seen what happened with the USD currency after Joe Biden gave stimulus package to people. Before the pandemic, $1 = 50 PHP here in our country. After the pandemic, $1 = 57-58 PHP already. That just shows that the currency weaken and the main reason that I know is the stimulus package. I'm not an economist and for sure, there are many factors that might caused it.
At the end of the day, I don't think that this will help people. It might help only the people that are considered "the poorest of the poor" but for those average people, the effect of this will be little to none. I'm against it just because I see it useless because prices of commodities will rise after that.
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At your current status, what would be the effect of the UBI to you if you got this monthly for a year? Are you in favor of UBI or not?
I've also watched that video (I'm his subscriber), and there's one thing that came to my mind. Inflation.
One part of that video said that in US, if you will give each and every person $1000, it will cost them around $4 Trillion per year. I don't know the exact numbers, but the point is that, the more money we will be releasing in public, the weaker it will be. I mean we've seen what happened with the USD currency after Joe Biden gave stimulus package to people. Before the pandemic, $1 = 50 PHP here in our country. After the pandemic, $1 = 57-58 PHP already. That just shows that the currency weaken and the main reason that I know is the stimulus package. I'm not an economist and for sure, there are many factors that might caused it.
At the end of the day, I don't think that this will help people. It might help only the people that are considered "the poorest of the poor" but for those average people, the effect of this will be little to none. I'm against it just because I see it useless because prices of commodities will rise after that.
so 12000 x 330,000,000 = 3.96 trillion for just the usa
4 trillion x 24= 96trillion for the world which is way too costly
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I didn't know governments have been experimenting Universal Basic Income even before I have learned about it. The term is just something else in every country but generally its the same concept as giving monthly support to people on certain places, a city or people in a low income town.
just like in the video it briefly mentioned that many men have tried to incorporate this kind of concept before under different names another concept i can think of that is quite similar to this is karl marx’s stateless society where no one is rich and no one is poor however obviously this did not work due to greed political injustice which is more likely to happen again with universal basic income
At your current status, what would be the effect of the UBI to you if you got this monthly for a year?
not just me but a lot of people may become too dependent on this and not boost productivity why work harder if you’re going to receive the same thing regardless of what you do, right? another thing why this might just not work is because it doesn’t really consider inflation since more people can afford more then the prices will rise as well and the money will just lose its value and the concept of ubi might be protested to be nullified
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At your current status, what would be the effect of the UBI to you if you got this monthly for a year? Are you in favor of UBI or not?
I've also watched that video (I'm his subscriber), and there's one thing that came to my mind. Inflation.
One part of that video said that in US, if you will give each and every person $1000, it will cost them around $4 Trillion per year. I don't know the exact numbers, but the point is that, the more money we will be releasing in public, the weaker it will be. I mean we've seen what happened with the USD currency after Joe Biden gave stimulus package to people. Before the pandemic, $1 = 50 PHP here in our country. After the pandemic, $1 = 57-58 PHP already. That just shows that the currency weaken and the main reason that I know is the stimulus package. I'm not an economist and for sure, there are many factors that might caused it.
At the end of the day, I don't think that this will help people. It might help only the people that are considered "the poorest of the poor" but for those average people, the effect of this will be little to none. I'm against it just because I see it useless because prices of commodities will rise after that.
so 12000 x 330,000,000 = 3.96 trillion for just the usa
4 trillion x 24= 96trillion for the world which is way too costly
That's why I find it costly and useless at the same time.
I'm not an expert economist, but this will have an effect that's almost the same as when Biden gave those stimulus package to his country men.
I don't see any benefits of this from the families that will receive it aside from the fact that they will be able to buy more commodities that they need, but that's for the short term. In the long run, it will have more downsides than upsides. Correct me if I'm wrong with this because I'm not an expert. :D
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I didn't know governments have been experimenting Universal Basic Income even before I have learned about it. The term is just something else in every country but generally its the same concept as giving monthly support to people on certain places, a city or people in a low income town.
just like in the video it briefly mentioned that many men have tried to incorporate this kind of concept before under different names another concept i can think of that is quite similar to this is karl marx’s stateless society where no one is rich and no one is poor however obviously this did not work due to greed political injustice which is more likely to happen again with universal basic income
At your current status, what would be the effect of the UBI to you if you got this monthly for a year?
not just me but a lot of people may become too dependent on this and not boost productivity why work harder if you’re going to receive the same thing regardless of what you do, right? another thing why this might just not work is because it doesn’t really consider inflation since more people can afford more then the prices will rise as well and the money will just lose its value and the concept of ubi might be protested to be nullified
Besides greed talent gets involved. Some people really do good even great work. Some people suck at the same work.
To give a great worker the same as a shitty worker is obviously unfair.
And think of a pro athlete in any sport the top players get paid more the poor players get paid less or even let go.
BTW I voted in the poll I voted yes as I would love to see if it works (it won't)
You would need one government and no religions which is not going to happen.
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its free money. people wouldn't want it. no one wants their government to fail but its more important for a person to feel whole an able to provide for their family. while they care about the economy of the country may just be at risk because of the stimi package, the hunger is pressing. the risk to the economy is always there even if they are not up to distribute UBI. but the government should be providing for their people, its sort of a responsibility.
i think we are a;ready in the peak that new generations are just too lazy to work. the ones that are not are the ones that experienced hardships like the people in Africa. this is why the economy there is unbothered with what is going on today, they are already poor since.
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its free money. people wouldn't want it. no one wants their government to fail but its more important for a person to feel whole an able to provide for their family. while they care about the economy of the country may just be at risk because of the stimi package, the hunger is pressing. the risk to the economy is always there even if they are not up to distribute UBI. but the government should be providing for their people, its sort of a responsibility.
i think we are a;ready in the peak that new generations are just too lazy to work. the ones that are not are the ones that experienced hardships like the people in Africa. this is why the economy there is unbothered with what is going on today, they are already poor since.
"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose"
I believe that is Janis Joplin's line from this song.
"Me and Bobby McGee"
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"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose"
its deep thoughts, its not really true. nothing to lose means a person doesn't have anything left. no wife, no kids to care for or no money/assets at all to protect.
lets see if this person have the freedom to buy something when he has nothing. i bet this person will just rob or beg for a cookie. or most likely do anything to receive UBI or else die in hunger.
people will accept whats given. regardless of whats the catch, they will take the UBI in exchange for their freedom. if the government will need their DNA, they will give it when the stomach says so.
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"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose"
its deep thoughts, its not really true. nothing to lose means a person doesn't have anything left. no wife, no kids to care for or no money/assets at all to protect.
lets see if this person have the freedom to buy something when he has nothing. i bet this person will just rob or beg for a cookie. or most likely do anything to receive UBI or else die in hunger.
people will accept whats given. regardless of whats the catch, they will take the UBI in exchange for their freedom. if the government will need their DNA, they will give it when the stomach says so.
or it was her way of saying you will be free when you are dead.
Because as I see it that is when you have nothing left to lose.
Released on January 12, 1971, Janis Joplin's “Me and Bobby McGee” became the second posthumous single in pop music history to reach #1;
the first was Otis Redding's “(Sittin' On) The Dock of the Bay, in 1968.
from google search
Note they released the song after she was dead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janis_Joplin
(January 19, 1943 – October 4, 1970)
She was dead for exactly 100 days when it was released.
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This could make the middle income earners and some small businesses suffer even more through higher taxes. I'm pretty sure crypto investors and traders will also affected by this if implemented.
I also think it will encourage people to make poor life decisions because they think the UBI could take care of them.
Knowing human nature it won't work. I hope to see it happen just to see if I am correct.
Yeah, it's been abused. A lot of those who are given monthly aid became lazy. They just wait for their share and often gambles with their fellow recipients. I don't even know if they were properly vetted by Government employees that are in charge with the verification.
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At your current status, what would be the effect of the UBI to you if you got this monthly for a year? Are you in favor of UBI or not?
My personal opinion is that this is a bad way to go. I'll try to explain why.
I'll start from far away. The point is that it is a kind of projection of the utopian idea of building communism :)
The second problem is that any income, including “guaranteed” income, is based on some kind of efficient work, which forms added value. In this case, the generator of this money for the “guaranteed income” fund will be the state, if it guarantees it.
Another problem is that with “equality” we get global inequality ! It sounds illogical but... Tell me - will you work and pay taxes if your neighbor does nothing, just enjoys life, and gets such an income, and you are forced to work for him?! How are you worse than him? How is everyone worse than him? Who will work then?
The filling of this fund - taxes or printing money ? Printing money is the death of the economy. Taxes - see above “why should I work when I'll be paid a guaranteed income?”
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The idea is good but it may not happen in practice as the country good deeds are left out in a mostly corrupt political landscape with a tendency towards inconsistency. Most of the people in my country seek help from the government but at the end of the day they are disappointed. I want to say from middle class family that I have not received any kind of government grant even in last few years. But in terms of treatment i have enjoyed some services in government hospitals. But i think poor people need to enjoy this opportunity. If the government after coming to power delivers services to the people with its entire team then its help is not delayed.
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Since my childhood, I do hear about hear about UBI but I haven't in any way know about their purpose of creation, what is meant to be their job. Getting to know about it now, makes me feel annoyed because UBI has failed us woefully in doing the job they are assigned, to reduced poverty and income inequality, encourage entrepreneurship, consolidates multiple benefits into unconditional payment.
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At your current status, what would be the effect of the UBI to you if you got this monthly for a year? Are you in favor of UBI or not?
From what I learn of recent, UBI will be of good help to the masses, but it will not offer a lasting solution to the economic state of the people. A lot of people will depend on it, and it will cause joblessness. Reducing the rate at which people pay taxes will be a good solution, and creating a lasting job opportunity by building companies and refineries to be a better option. However, In the world we are in, people abuse things, so UBI might not really be a great option as we thought
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Does sound good on paper, paying everyone their natural inheritance because computers took over the world and the economy is running on autopilot..yeah right not happening!!!
For a small fraction of the population this is possible, but supporting the masses doesn't sound feasible as the government can't run by controlling more than half of the industries and all other revenue making businesses...private ownership is needed to compliment government efforts that's for sure and not letting them control everything out there.
Otherwise nice try, this ain't happening.
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I'm against these decisions. It's an attempt to flirt with the masses, but nothing more.
There are a lot of questions:
- on what means will the basic income budget be formed?
- How will the amount of basic income per capita be calculated?
- WHO WILL PAY for its formation and also for the inflation it will create, because of the rather unfair distribution of money to everyone.
Just try to model the behavior of the economy with this solution. Only evaluate it pragmatically and you will realize what evil it is, under the guise of playing “humanity” and “care”.
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I'm against these decisions. It's an attempt to flirt with the masses, but nothing more.
There are a lot of questions:
- on what means will the basic income budget be formed?
- How will the amount of basic income per capita be calculated?
- WHO WILL PAY for its formation and also for the inflation it will create, because of the rather unfair distribution of money to everyone.
Just try to model the behavior of the economy with this solution. Only evaluate it pragmatically and you will realize what evil it is, under the guise of playing “humanity” and “care”.
These are exactly the same questions, Swiss people rose when they were offered by their government to launch Universal Basic Income. Majority of them decided it would be destructive for their conservative way of life, to what they are used to. And also it would cause increasing of taxes, and that idea doest have any support in Swiss society. Moreover, Universal Basic Income potentially can cause more wide immigrant flow. And as you know, Swiss are not big fans of not-tourist people coming in their country.
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I'm against these decisions. It's an attempt to flirt with the masses, but nothing more.
There are a lot of questions:
- on what means will the basic income budget be formed?
- How will the amount of basic income per capita be calculated?
- WHO WILL PAY for its formation and also for the inflation it will create, because of the rather unfair distribution of money to everyone.
Just try to model the behavior of the economy with this solution. Only evaluate it pragmatically and you will realize what evil it is, under the guise of playing “humanity” and “care”.
These are exactly the same questions, Swiss people rose when they were offered by their government to launch Universal Basic Income. Majority of them decided it would be destructive for their conservative way of life, to what they are used to. And also it would cause increasing of taxes, and that idea doest have any support in Swiss society. Moreover, Universal Basic Income potentially can cause more wide immigrant flow. And as you know, Swiss are not big fans of not-tourist people coming in their country.
One of the key problems of the Universal Basic Income is that in a country with open borders (we are talking about Switzerland), the emergence of this type of income will immediately attract the attention of millions of idlers who by all rights and wrongs will seek to obtain citizenship of the country. This will create a situation when working citizens of the country will work hard to generate tax revenues, and a huge number of lazy people will get money and enjoy life. It is hard to imagine what will de-motivate the former and what it will lead to. The second problem is the emergence of a huge amount of money on hand, which will hit the market, which is almost guaranteed to lead to inflation. Question - do you think the Swiss really dream of destroying the economy, stability and keeping bums ?
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Is the Swiss government planning to distribute UBI to everyone?
Because of when I saw my government is planning to distribute to single moms, it would only mean to these women will go thru a selection process still whether they qualify for UBI or not. I don't think Swiss government will just give everyone who migrates.
But it's sure is a bad idea to have an open border.
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DrBeer, of course, Switzerland has no interest in destroying its own economy. That is why they rejected the idea of the Universal Basic Income by a majority of votes. But I must say that Switzerland is not an open country. And it is very difficult to stay there, not to mention getting citizenship.
For example, in order to even be able to apply for citizenship, you need to live not only in Switzerland itself, but also in a certain canton for 10 years. If you change the canton (region, district), the years account is reset. You must work and pay taxes in the particular canton (as the legislation varies from canton to canton). When considering an application, representatives of special institutions interview your friends, colleagues and neighbors, and if someone speaks badly of you, your chances of getting citizenship are reduced.
At the interview, you can be asked absolutely random questions not only about Switzerland, but also about the canton you live in. For example, what is the highest point in this canton. And it would be good for you to know the answers to these questions. In general, it is much easier to marry someone with a Swiss passport, but it is also extremely difficult to do so because the Swiss are very conservative and mostly snobs who are not very welcoming to foreigners.
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Does sound good on paper, paying everyone their natural inheritance because computers took over the world and the economy is running on autopilot..yeah right not happening!!!
it does look good on paper because equality is what we are aiming for but people forgot to consider the natural imbalance we would quite literally need to restart everything not to mention humans’ greed to get ahead there are way too many factors that could affect the so-called equality with UBI i do not think it will work or even it does people and the community will not be productive nor in support of this
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DrBeer, of course, Switzerland has no interest in destroying its own economy. That is why they rejected the idea of the Universal Basic Income by a majority of votes. But I must say that Switzerland is not an open country. And it is very difficult to stay there, not to mention getting citizenship.
For example, in order to even be able to apply for citizenship, you need to live not only in Switzerland itself, but also in a certain canton for 10 years. If you change the canton (region, district), the years account is reset. You must work and pay taxes in the particular canton (as the legislation varies from canton to canton). When considering an application, representatives of special institutions interview your friends, colleagues and neighbors, and if someone speaks badly of you, your chances of getting citizenship are reduced.
At the interview, you can be asked absolutely random questions not only about Switzerland, but also about the canton you live in. For example, what is the highest point in this canton. And it would be good for you to know the answers to these questions. In general, it is much easier to marry someone with a Swiss passport, but it is also extremely difficult to do so because the Swiss are very conservative and mostly snobs who are not very welcoming to foreigners.
I'm not aware of what Swiss government is doing but it should be their right not to welcome immigrants. If they don't want, it's their choice. It's normal for the government of a country to keep the peace of their society.
But let's say US giving billions to countries like Ukraine and Israel for their war while not helping the people struggling after Hurricane Helene. Is it fair for these food victim not receiving support but just 750USD and nothing more or should they be given UBI until they recover?
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I'm not aware of what Swiss government is doing but it should be their right not to welcome immigrants. If they don't want, it's their choice. It's normal for the government of a country to keep the peace of their society.
But let's say US giving billions to countries like Ukraine and Israel for their war while not helping the people struggling after Hurricane Helene. Is it fair for these food victim not receiving support but just 750USD and nothing more or should they be given UBI until they recover?
I am not sure that fairness is the relevant term to use referring to the government and politics. US have their reasons to do so, it is undoubtedly. But just to be clear, UBI is given unconditional, it doesn't matter if you are a Hurricane victim or a descendant from the reach family. That is why, in either case the UBI would be the same.
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At your current status, what would be the effect of the UBI to you if you got this monthly for a year? Are you in favor of UBI or not?
Any money is good, I would feel less forced to work and what I would do will be more natural and I consider it a huge win.
I am in favor of UBI but I live in a corrupt nation, and if UBI were to be implemented, the poor people will not get benefit of it and rather the system will be abused by rich.
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At your current status, what would be the effect of the UBI to you if you got this monthly for a year? Are you in favor of UBI or not?
Any money is good, I would feel less forced to work and what I would do will be more natural and I consider it a huge win.
I am in favor of UBI but I live in a corrupt nation, and if UBI were to be implemented, the poor people will not get benefit of it and rather the system will be abused by rich.
you just can't trust government officials when the corruption is already rampant in the country. anything related to money seem to be rightfully owned by politicians before it could even be allocated to a projects budget.
you can only hope they will give at least 50% off the amount. and you will still be happy to accept those money since you needed the money badly even when they are to scan your eyes before you are given the funds.
its not the first time we heard off scanning eyes, the WorldCoin have been reported to have been scanning eyes of people willing to accept 50 WorldCoins. those who are victims of natural disasters and no homes already after a hurricane are probably going to just agree to this Worldcoin since they badly need it.
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Instead of UBI, how about putting all that money into health care? I heard there were countries in Europe where it is basically free to go to a hospital. I think that is better than giving handouts to people who probably don't even deserve it. There could be some that might abuse it also but it's more controllable.
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Any money is good, I would feel less forced to work and what I would do will be more natural and I consider it a huge win.
I don't think it would work that way because Universal Basic Income assumes everyone would have it and that would put everyone exactly in the same position as it had been without UBI. Therefore, the need to work would remain the same, because social differentiation would remain at the same level.
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Any money is good, I would feel less forced to work and what I would do will be more natural and I consider it a huge win.
I don't think it would work that way because Universal Basic Income assumes everyone would have it and that would put everyone exactly in the same position as it had been without UBI. Therefore, the need to work would remain the same, because social differentiation would remain at the same level.
Then what's is the point of having it? Or even such idea to exist?
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Any money is good, I would feel less forced to work and what I would do will be more natural and I consider it a huge win.
I don't think it would work that way because Universal Basic Income assumes everyone would have it and that would put everyone exactly in the same position as it had been without UBI. Therefore, the need to work would remain the same, because social differentiation would remain at the same level.
Then what's is the point of having it? Or even such idea to exist?
In countries with high inflation, I think, there is no point in Universal Basic Income. Because it will simply be leveled by the constant growth of prices. It will not increase the purchasing power of the population.
But in countries with a stable economy, which Switzerland is, the point is that a person has support from the state no matter what he does for a living. And if the economy is stable, then this support is really noticeable. But as I wrote above, this creates problems with taxes, as well as with the influx of emigrants who want to get an income, but at the same time do not want to work.
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Are you in favor of UBI or not?
It mostly depends on the implementation. Aside from other concern which have been mentioned, it's worth to mention Worldbank estimate there are 1.1 billions people without ID or not registered as citizen[1]. IMO those people would receive major benefit from UBI compared with everyone else, but also unable to receive UBI since they don't have ID.
[1] https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/digital-development/counting-uncounted-11-billion-people-without-ids (https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/digital-development/counting-uncounted-11-billion-people-without-ids)
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IMO those people would receive major benefit from UBI compared with everyone else, but also unable to receive UBI since they don't have ID.
The fact that there are people without an ID, who are not registered as citizens of any country, does not mean that they need UBI. They may have a normal financial situation, but for some reason, for example, political, they were deprived of citizenship of the country of their origin. So I do not think that this entire category of people would benefit from the introduction of Universal Basic Income. People choose to remain without documents for various reasons.
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IMO those people would receive major benefit from UBI compared with everyone else, but also unable to receive UBI since they don't have ID.
The fact that there are people without an ID, who are not registered as citizens of any country, does not mean that they need UBI. They may have a normal financial situation, but for some reason, for example, political, they were deprived of citizenship of the country of their origin. So I do not think that this entire category of people would benefit from the introduction of Universal Basic Income. People choose to remain without documents for various reasons.
Sorry, but i failed to understand your point. Worldbank article i mentioned earlier state that,
1. More than half people without ID have lower-middle income.
2. About a third people without ID have low income.
I don't understand how you see lower-middle and low income as normal financial situation.
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IMO those people would receive major benefit from UBI compared with everyone else, but also unable to receive UBI since they don't have ID.
The fact that there are people without an ID, who are not registered as citizens of any country, does not mean that they need UBI. They may have a normal financial situation, but for some reason, for example, political, they were deprived of citizenship of the country of their origin. So I do not think that this entire category of people would benefit from the introduction of Universal Basic Income. People choose to remain without documents for various reasons.
Sorry, but i failed to understand your point. Worldbank article i mentioned earlier state that,
1. More than half people without ID have lower-middle income.
2. About a third people without ID have low income.
I don't understand how you see lower-middle and low income as normal financial situation.
I get what the article stated, but this does not mean that among those people who do not have ID, there are not those who earn above average or even more. In the end, there is still about a fifth that does not fall into the two categories you described above. And it was about them that my point was. That people for various reasons become stateless and this does not always accompanied by a difficult financial situation.
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IMO those people would receive major benefit from UBI compared with everyone else, but also unable to receive UBI since they don't have ID.
The fact that there are people without an ID, who are not registered as citizens of any country, does not mean that they need UBI. They may have a normal financial situation, but for some reason, for example, political, they were deprived of citizenship of the country of their origin. So I do not think that this entire category of people would benefit from the introduction of Universal Basic Income. People choose to remain without documents for various reasons.
Sorry, but i failed to understand your point. Worldbank article i mentioned earlier state that,
1. More than half people without ID have lower-middle income.
2. About a third people without ID have low income.
I don't understand how you see lower-middle and low income as normal financial situation.
I get what the article stated, but this does not mean that among those people who do not have ID, there are not those who earn above average or even more. In the end, there is still about a fifth that does not fall into the two categories you described above. And it was about them that my point was. That people for various reasons become stateless and this does not always accompanied by a difficult financial situation.
When a migrant becomes part of the citizen of a country I guess he is going to be illegible to receive UBI. UBI distribution they say has condition from the government like the ones who supports Dems are the only who receives UBI.
UBI I think would be the solution since the government choses inflation and Tesla's Optimus seem to make people jobless too.
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Yeah it will be a very nice one for government to start a project like this for the low class and less privileged. But it should have age limit and the places where this would be implemented, if I'm to be the one to be in charge of this kind of project I would go to local villages and make mostly widows and the less privileged from the age range of 60 upward. It may sound unpleasant but I'm talking based on the situation in my country if the government decides to give this money to young boys and girls then it has no meaning and value because they are going to be more relaxed at home and very lazy as well.
But sincerely speaking the government of my country won't carry this kind of wonderful project.
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Yeah it will be a very nice one for government to start a project like this for the low class and less privileged. But it should have age limit and the places where this would be implemented, if I'm to be the one to be in charge of this kind of project I would go to local villages and make mostly widows and the less privileged from the age range of 60 upward. It may sound unpleasant but I'm talking based on the situation in my country if the government decides to give this money to young boys and girls then it has no meaning and value because they are going to be more relaxed at home and very lazy as well.
But sincerely speaking the government of my country won't carry this kind of wonderful project.
There would be a lot of people that will be left out with such plan. If the government has to do this UBI plan, they would have to be inclusive otherwise there will be a revolt against the minority that's left out. But thehn the terms and conditions they might ask to the people will actually cause for some groups to be left out.
There will be people who will be lazy as a result of UBI but seem to have been hapen ing still despite no UBI. Studies shows GenZ are unemployable.
The real solution is harsher that's why they are saying recession can create strong men.
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Universal Basic Income (UBI), is one piece of the mosaic that will add up to what is called “Universe 25.”
“Universe 25” is the most famous experiment to study rodent life under ideal conditions, all previous experiments having failed. 25 is the sequence number of the study, which began in July 1968 at the National Institute of Psychological Health in the United States. The study took place over a period of four years”.... I further recommend reading about the experiment itself, the results and conclusions.
You can not just create ideal conditions for people, playing noble humanism and kindness, these steps only worsen the situation, accumulating huge problems for the future, and when this future comes - to correct the problems is no longer possible.
... “Hard times give birth to strong people, strong people create easy times. Easy times create weak people.”
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... “Hard times give birth to strong people, strong people create easy times. Easy times create weak people.”
As of now we are in the stage where it's easy times and people are weak or at least in some other parts of the world. In middle east or in far east, where people are working in a mine digging coals and catching fishes and she'll to eat, they are pretty strong that they may survive even if the world goes back to dark ages.
The UBI must be intended to those weak people these days.
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... “Hard times give birth to strong people, strong people create easy times. Easy times create weak people.”
As of now we are in the stage where it's easy times and people are weak or at least in some other parts of the world. In middle east or in far east, where people are working in a mine digging coals and catching fishes and she'll to eat, they are pretty strong that they may survive even if the world goes back to dark ages.
The UBI must be intended to those weak people these days.
I'll give you a cynical but pragmatic opinion:
1. Weak “people” should be supported by relatives, so that everyone understands that you can't leave “weak relatives” on the shoulders of others who pay taxes. This category includes pensioners, people with disabilities, etc. groups of people. The state has no money other than the taxes paid by all other citizens.
2. There are pension savings and state pensions. Yes, their level should correspond to the minimum necessary income for a person to realize the minimum necessary needs. But pensions should also be proportional to a person's contribution to society.
Why is all this necessary? Because as soon as it turns out that you can do nothing and live a quality life, many people will take advantage of it, and first of all it will lead to the migration of lazy people from other countries, and this will lead to rapid degradation of the social system of the state, the destruction of the economy, and other negative consequences.... And then it will become hard for ALL.
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... “Hard times give birth to strong people, strong people create easy times. Easy times create weak people.”
As of now we are in the stage where it's easy times and people are weak or at least in some other parts of the world. In middle east or in far east, where people are working in a mine digging coals and catching fishes and she'll to eat, they are pretty strong that they may survive even if the world goes back to dark ages.
The UBI must be intended to those weak people these days.
I'll give you a cynical but pragmatic opinion:
1. Weak “people” should be supported by relatives, so that everyone understands that you can't leave “weak relatives” on the shoulders of others who pay taxes. This category includes pensioners, people with disabilities, etc. groups of people. The state has no money other than the taxes paid by all other citizens.
2. There are pension savings and state pensions. Yes, their level should correspond to the minimum necessary income for a person to realize the minimum necessary needs. But pensions should also be proportional to a person's contribution to society.
Why is all this necessary? Because as soon as it turns out that you can do nothing and live a quality life, many people will take advantage of it, and first of all it will lead to the migration of lazy people from other countries, and this will lead to rapid degradation of the social system of the state, the destruction of the economy, and other negative consequences.... And then it will become hard for ALL.
Reality of these days that even relatives are going to take advantage of an old person. Money is always the motive but old men sent to nursing home is also not an option to them. These old man would rather be in their own home than waiting for their rescuer in the nursing home.
Lazy people though are just as how generation degrades today. Right now kids only knows how to operate phones and not computers.
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... “Hard times give birth to strong people, strong people create easy times. Easy times create weak people.”
As of now we are in the stage where it's easy times and people are weak or at least in some other parts of the world. In middle east or in far east, where people are working in a mine digging coals and catching fishes and she'll to eat, they are pretty strong that they may survive even if the world goes back to dark ages.
The UBI must be intended to those weak people these days.
I'll give you a cynical but pragmatic opinion:
1. Weak “people” should be supported by relatives, so that everyone understands that you can't leave “weak relatives” on the shoulders of others who pay taxes. This category includes pensioners, people with disabilities, etc. groups of people. The state has no money other than the taxes paid by all other citizens.
2. There are pension savings and state pensions. Yes, their level should correspond to the minimum necessary income for a person to realize the minimum necessary needs. But pensions should also be proportional to a person's contribution to society.
Why is all this necessary? Because as soon as it turns out that you can do nothing and live a quality life, many people will take advantage of it, and first of all it will lead to the migration of lazy people from other countries, and this will lead to rapid degradation of the social system of the state, the destruction of the economy, and other negative consequences.... And then it will become hard for ALL.
Reality of these days that even relatives are going to take advantage of an old person. Money is always the motive but old men sent to nursing home is also not an option to them. These old man would rather be in their own home than waiting for their rescuer in the nursing home.
Lazy people though are just as how generation degrades today. Right now kids only knows how to operate phones and not computers.
The issue of relations between relatives, much less self-serving attitudes towards older relatives, is a matter of culture, mentality and upbringing.
I will never use my parents and their assets for my own selfish purposes, moreover, on the contrary, I believe that I am obliged to provide financial assistance to my parents. So the problem described above is more a matter of people's moral qualities.
And Universal Basic Income for such people will give only negative results, because it will accustom them to getting money without doing any useful work. And then, I suppose, they will demand an increase in Universal Basic Income, because .... they want to buy a car and an apartment, and they don't have enough money :)