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[electronicash]

If Aspinall defeats Blaydes, it would be a real shame if he's not matched up with Jones. There simply aren't any other worthy and exciting opponents in the heavyweight right now.

I don't think any of this guys can really challenge Jones and be a real threat to him.
Whoever wins in that fight wont be that much motivating for him, and I am still looking at Stipe Miocic as better fighter from other heayvweights, despite being 6th place in UFC rankings.

with the new rules in UFC allowing them to kick a grounded opponent will make Jones unbeatable that even if he fight the biggest striker Pereira will not win against Jones. new rules though will make the UFC fights exciting.

they are not finishers but Leon and Belal swearing to knock each other is funny. even paddy vs green i think they will not be going all in, they will be cautious to what they could throw. but ether blaydes or tom, because this heavy weight, there will be KO in this fight.

[electronicash]

how well could someone really predict one fight to happen and the rest may not in UFC, if you are not to parlay in UFC events, would you try out those winning by method and won some?

i think i would have won much if i just followed my instinct in betting Tom to win by KO and this is predictable in HW fights than on flyweight.  Belal by Decision somehow wasn't very predictable because everybody seem to be focusing in Leon winning the fight whichever method he could have done it.

Paddy's fight could have been predictable but because the odds looks like the fight is going to take 5 rounds but Paddy goes straight to submission in R1.

was lucky enough to cash out.

[pawel7777]

I don't think any of this guys can really challenge Jones and be a real threat to him.
Whoever wins in that fight wont be that much motivating for him, and I am still looking at Stipe Miocic as better fighter from other heayvweights, despite being 6th place in UFC rankings.

I couldn't disagree more. If Jones Vs Aspinall was to happen next, the odds would probably be even or maybe slightly in favour of Tom. He's got youth, energy and drive on his side, has been training various aspects of mma all his life and is natural heavyweight.
Jon Jones is past his prime (I think he himself admitted this some time ago), he gave a great fight against Gane, but his last fights in the light heavyweight were far from dominant (including the Reyes one). And that's not to mention he had only 1 fight in over 2 years and is recovering from an injury.

If Jon's intention was to defeat Stipe and announce his retirement, he's in an ugly place right now. If he does that, absolutely everyone will think he's running away from Tom.
But if he takes on the challenge and wins win Tom, that would solidify his position as the greatest mma fighter ever.
This fight just has to happen.

That being said, everyone writes Stipe off, but if he managed to stay in shape and if he takes that fight seriously, it might not be a walk in the park for Jon.

[notblox1]

I couldn't disagree more. If Jones Vs Aspinall was to happen next, the odds would probably be even or maybe slightly in favour of Tom. He's got youth, energy and drive on his side, has been training various aspects of mma all his life and is natural heavyweight.

If this fight was happening this year I would be ready to place a bet on Jones to win and I am sure he would do it.
I think you forgot how good Jon Jones really is, and I dont underestimate Aspinall when I say this but he would not survive five rounds with Jones in octagon.
I like betting on underdogs but I would never support Aspinall against Jones, unless Jones is fighting with one arm or big injury.

[electronicash]

I don't think any of this guys can really challenge Jones and be a real threat to him.
Whoever wins in that fight wont be that much motivating for him, and I am still looking at Stipe Miocic as better fighter from other heayvweights, despite being 6th place in UFC rankings.

I couldn't disagree more. If Jones Vs Aspinall was to happen next, the odds would probably be even or maybe slightly in favour of Tom. He's got youth, energy and drive on his side, has been training various aspects of mma all his life and is natural heavyweight.
Jon Jones is past his prime (I think he himself admitted this some time ago), he gave a great fight against Gane, but his last fights in the light heavyweight were far from dominant (including the Reyes one). And that's not to mention he had only 1 fight in over 2 years and is recovering from an injury.

If Jon's intention was to defeat Stipe and announce his retirement, he's in an ugly place right now. If he does that, absolutely everyone will think he's running away from Tom.
But if he takes on the challenge and wins win Tom, that would solidify his position as the greatest mma fighter ever.
This fight just has to happen.

That being said, everyone writes Stipe off, but if he managed to stay in shape and if he takes that fight seriously, it might not be a walk in the park for Jon.

unfortunately, Jones couldn't retire early, he's got more fights in UFC contract afaik. and White wouldn't let him retire too otherwise he will be going to boxing or some other platform to fight someone else which would make Dana furious about it.

he will eventually fight Tommy. or if Jones move down to LH or MW, someone else will fight him to fulfill his contract just like Ferguson who has the longest losing streak already.

[Zed0X]

@electroniccash, I read that UFC released Mokaev after winning his last fight. Any idea why his contract wasn't renewed? From the social media comments, his fights were boring that's why Dana had to cut him off.

[electronicash]

@electroniccash, I read that UFC released Mokaev after winning his last fight. Any idea why his contract wasn't renewed? From the social media comments, his fights were boring that's why Dana had to cut him off.

i really don;t have any idea about why Mokaev was released. but base on what they are saying, he punched Kape like damaging him before the real cage fight.  lol this is like Emperor Commodus fighting General Maximus in the Gladiator movie.

there are lots of funny stuff in UFC but true that this is not a sportsman like traits. in the other forum, they were talking about Mokaev pestering Dana for huge pay as well so these are all mixed up and no real story might come out as they all are bursting out their sides.

maybe he is really boring too. when a fighter is not a striker and just dive for ground game, its all boring usually. its why we like Jones and Pereira.

[notblox1]

Khabib Nurmagomedov is back in UFC, but only in corner of his cousin Umar Nurmagomedov at next UFC event in Abu Dhabi.
I cant see Umar losing this fight, he has a perfect 17-0 MMA record and Khabib in corner will motivate him to perform at his best.
This is very good fight card to watch for other fights, we have Deiveson Figueiredo and TonyFerguson in the same event.

[electronicash]

Khabib Nurmagomedov is back in UFC, but only in corner of his cousin Umar Nurmagomedov at next UFC event in Abu Dhabi.
I cant see Umar losing this fight, he has a perfect 17-0 MMA record and Khabib in corner will motivate him to perform at his best.
This is very good fight card to watch for other fights, we have Deiveson Figueiredo and TonyFerguson in the same event.

there are a number of fights that can be an easy win like Sandhagen vs. Nurmagomedov
chosing Nurmagomedov and Michael Chiesa who is fighting Tony is almost a win already and probably that  undefeated Victoria Dudakova. good enough for a parlay.

Figueiredo vs Vera can be a tricky fight. its hard to chose who's who. these two are tested in battle but if i would have to pick, i would chose Vere because he was tough fighting Omalley and was never knockout.

Sharabutdin Magomedov is also a favorite fighter. maybe this one eyed warrior can once again entertain the fans. comments about him was that he is like khamzat with striking accuracy. it could be a good addition to the parlay.

but what i can only add for a parlay to make sure i think is Dudakova, Chiesa and Nurmagomedov. adding the rest may be riskier.

[pawel7777]

If this fight was happening this year I would be ready to place a bet on Jones to win and I am sure he would do it.
I think you forgot how good Jon Jones really is, and I dont underestimate Aspinall when I say this but he would not survive five rounds with Jones in octagon.
I like betting on underdogs but I would never support Aspinall against Jones, unless Jones is fighting with one arm or big injury.

Jones is only a human, he ages just like anybody else and has his weak sides. He fought only once in the heavyweight against Gane who has zero ground game. His biggest successes were in light heavyweight where he usually had a significant height/reach advantage.
I'm not saying Jones is not good, he's one of the best, but he's beatable and is past his prime.
If he wins unconvincingly against Stipe, he might end up as an underdog against Tom.

[electronicash]

If this fight was happening this year I would be ready to place a bet on Jones to win and I am sure he would do it.
I think you forgot how good Jon Jones really is, and I dont underestimate Aspinall when I say this but he would not survive five rounds with Jones in octagon.
I like betting on underdogs but I would never support Aspinall against Jones, unless Jones is fighting with one arm or big injury.

Jones is only a human, he ages just like anybody else and has his weak sides. He fought only once in the heavyweight against Gane who has zero ground game. His biggest successes were in light heavyweight where he usually had a significant height/reach advantage.
I'm not saying Jones is not good, he's one of the best, but he's beatable and is past his prime.
If he wins unconvincingly against Stipe, he might end up as an underdog against Tom.

Jones maybe feels it himself that he could lose the fight against Tom and for this reason he isn't fighting or its just Dana's decision not to let him fight yet. because there is just no one else who would replace him as one of the biggest  HW star in UFC if he loses.

if he can't show  dominating win vs Stipe because for some reason this fight is really happening. i think the anticipated fight between Tom vs Jon will finally happen, money will flow by the time it happens. it would need to be held in a country where people are hungry for entertainment and will pay huge money for such sport.

[notblox1]

Jones is only a human, he ages just like anybody else and has his weak sides. He fought only once in the heavyweight against Gane who has zero ground game. His biggest successes were in light heavyweight where he usually had a significant height/reach advantage.
I'm not saying Jones is not good, he's one of the best, but he's beatable and is past his prime.
If he wins unconvincingly against Stipe, he might end up as an underdog against Tom.

No way, bookmakers will never make Jon Jones underdog against Aspinal you can bet on that,
Anyone can be beaten in MMA but I didnt see complete fighter in heavyweight division that can beat him.
Aspinal already lost from Blaydes and he has two more defeats in MMA carrier.
Jones lost only one time in 2009 and never in UFC 

[pawel7777]

No way, bookmakers will never make Jon Jones underdog against Aspinal you can bet on that,
Anyone can be beaten in MMA but I didnt see complete fighter in heavyweight division that can beat him.
Aspinal already lost from Blaydes and he has two more defeats in MMA carrier.
Jones lost only one time in 2009 and never in UFC 

I've been watching some YT video claiming that there already was one UK bookie that offered odds for the fight and Aspinall was the favourite, but don't have time to dig it up so take this at face value.
Aspinal legitimately lost one MMA fight (he got caught by a heel hook at a very early stage of his career), the other losses were knee injury and disqualification (exact same thing as for Jones).

Jones maybe feels it himself that he could lose the fight against Tom and for this reason he isn't fighting or its just Dana's decision not to let him fight yet. because there is just no one else who would replace him as one of the biggest  HW star in UFC if he loses.
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I think there would be less shame in taking up that fight and losing that running away just to keep his clean (well, sort of) record. But then again, if he was to announce his retirement after the Stipe fight, that's his right, no one should be pressured to keep fighting.

[pawel7777]

Tomorrow's UFC on ABC event looks pretty interesting.
Here are the odds for the main card:

Cory Sandhagen x3.50 vs. Umar Nurmagomedov x1.30
Sharabutdin Magomedov x1.40 vs. Michał Oleksiejczuk x2.95
Marlon Vera x2.20 vs. Deiveson Figueiredo x1.68
Tony Ferguson x5.40 vs. Michael Chiesa x1.15
Mackenzie Dern x1.83 vs. Loopy Godinez x1.98
Joel Álvarez x1.58 vs. Elves Brener x2.38

It's crazy how much of a favourite Umar is, given Sandhagen is ranked number 2 contender.
Anyone taking a gamble on Tony? Chiesa is also not the youngest (36) and is on 3 losses streak.

[Kemarit]

Jones is only a human, he ages just like anybody else and has his weak sides. He fought only once in the heavyweight against Gane who has zero ground game. His biggest successes were in light heavyweight where he usually had a significant height/reach advantage.
I'm not saying Jones is not good, he's one of the best, but he's beatable and is past his prime.
If he wins unconvincingly against Stipe, he might end up as an underdog against Tom.

No way, bookmakers will never make Jon Jones underdog against Aspinal you can bet on that,
Anyone can be beaten in MMA but I didnt see complete fighter in heavyweight division that can beat him.
Aspinal already lost from Blaydes and he has two more defeats in MMA carrier.
Jones lost only one time in 2009 and never in UFC 

I do agree, even if Jones is away from the Octagon for many years, many fans still consider him the GOAT. Even Dana himself says that Jones is a absolute killer and if there will be fighters that he wants to be the room with him, it will be Jones.

No doubt that Aspinal is a rising star, lots of hype around this kid. And even if he is knocking people out easy, I doubt that the can do that to Jon Jones even at this point. So maybe Aspinal is good, but he hasn't seen the kind of animal like Jones in the octagon.