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[electronicash]

No way, bookmakers will never make Jon Jones underdog against Aspinal you can bet on that,
Anyone can be beaten in MMA but I didnt see complete fighter in heavyweight division that can beat him.
Aspinal already lost from Blaydes and he has two more defeats in MMA carrier.
Jones lost only one time in 2009 and never in UFC 

I've been watching some YT video claiming that there already was one UK bookie that offered odds for the fight and Aspinall was the favourite, but don't have time to dig it up so take this at face value.
Aspinal legitimately lost one MMA fight (he got caught by a heel hook at a very early stage of his career), the other losses were knee injury and disqualification (exact same thing as for Jones).

Jones maybe feels it himself that he could lose the fight against Tom and for this reason he isn't fighting or its just Dana's decision not to let him fight yet. because there is just no one else who would replace him as one of the biggest  HW star in UFC if he loses.
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I think there would be less shame in taking up that fight and losing that running away just to keep his clean (well, sort of) record. But then again, if he was to announce his retirement after the Stipe fight, that's his right, no one should be pressured to keep fighting.

Jones seem to have planned it this way. and so the HW belt will have to be fought by Aspinall vs N. but he will be haunted forever coward. Dana is on his side though.

there were rumors about Dana considers Jones' record of Disqualification to be erased because of the new rules about grounded opponents and 126 elbow is already changed. i'm not sure how true this is but this is hilarious to think of.

[pawel7777]

I do agree, even if Jones is away from the Octagon for many years, many fans still consider him the GOAT. Even Dana himself says that Jones is a absolute killer and if there will be fighters that he wants to be the room with him, it will be Jones.

Dana wasn't that keen on praising Jon when Francis became a champ. He even publicly hinted that Jon is scared of Francis. He made a 180 degrees turn when Ngannou decided to leave the UFC. It was not a good look to have the best heavyweight on the planet to be fighting in a competing organisation, so he started to peddle Jon as the best of all time. The reality is Jon has only one fight in the heavyweigh againt a guy who was never a champion.

No doubt that Aspinal is a rising star, lots of hype around this kid. And even if he is knocking people out easy, I doubt that the can do that to Jon Jones even at this point. So maybe Aspinal is good, but he hasn't seen the kind of animal like Jones in the octagon.

I'm not sure if it's really fair to keep calling him a rising star when he has already won the belt and managed to defend it. He has already risen to the highest position. The only step left is to defeat the original champion, and Tom is not the one avoiding that fight.

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there were rumors about Dana considers Jones' record of Disqualification to be erased because of the new rules about grounded opponents and 126 elbow is already changed. i'm not sure how true this is but this is hilarious to think of.

Yeah, I vaguely recall Dana mentioning that, but does he have a power to do that?
It doesn't make sense to me tbh. However stupid the rule was, it was an effective rule at that time, so breaking it was a legit disqualification. Law and rules should not work backwards.

[electronicash]

I do agree, even if Jones is away from the Octagon for many years, many fans still consider him the GOAT. Even Dana himself says that Jones is a absolute killer and if there will be fighters that he wants to be the room with him, it will be Jones.

Dana wasn't that keen on praising Jon when Francis became a champ. He even publicly hinted that Jon is scared of Francis. He made a 180 degrees turn when Ngannou decided to leave the UFC. It was not a good look to have the best heavyweight on the planet to be fighting in a competing organisation, so he started to peddle Jon as the best of all time. The reality is Jon has only one fight in the heavyweigh againt a guy who was never a champion.

No doubt that Aspinal is a rising star, lots of hype around this kid. And even if he is knocking people out easy, I doubt that the can do that to Jon Jones even at this point. So maybe Aspinal is good, but he hasn't seen the kind of animal like Jones in the octagon.

I'm not sure if it's really fair to keep calling him a rising star when he has already won the belt and managed to defend it. He has already risen to the highest position. The only step left is to defeat the original champion, and Tom is not the one avoiding that fight.

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there were rumors about Dana considers Jones' record of Disqualification to be erased because of the new rules about grounded opponents and 126 elbow is already changed. i'm not sure how true this is but this is hilarious to think of.

Yeah, I vaguely recall Dana mentioning that, but does he have a power to do that?
It doesn't make sense to me tbh. However stupid the rule was, it was an effective rule at that time, so breaking it was a legit disqualification. Law and rules should not work backwards.

and Tom is also an active champ. he defended his interim belt. since Jones will be sticking to his plan to fight Stipe and they are planing for Tom to fight however wins, there is still a chance for Jones to fight Tom unless the retirement is announced after the match.

idk if Dana could undo those records. this is unacceptable because its not just Jones who has disqualification due to those rules. it will be obvious by then if he rewrites Jones record to be undefeated while the rest aren't modified.

[Kemarit]

I do agree, even if Jones is away from the Octagon for many years, many fans still consider him the GOAT. Even Dana himself says that Jones is a absolute killer and if there will be fighters that he wants to be the room with him, it will be Jones.

Dana wasn't that keen on praising Jon when Francis became a champ. He even publicly hinted that Jon is scared of Francis. He made a 180 degrees turn when Ngannou decided to leave the UFC. It was not a good look to have the best heavyweight on the planet to be fighting in a competing organisation, so he started to peddle Jon as the best of all time. The reality is Jon has only one fight in the heavyweigh againt a guy who was never a champion.

No doubt that Aspinal is a rising star, lots of hype around this kid. And even if he is knocking people out easy, I doubt that the can do that to Jon Jones even at this point. So maybe Aspinal is good, but he hasn't seen the kind of animal like Jones in the octagon.

I'm not sure if it's really fair to keep calling him a rising star when he has already won the belt and managed to defend it. He has already risen to the highest position. The only step left is to defeat the original champion, and Tom is not the one avoiding that fight.

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there were rumors about Dana considers Jones' record of Disqualification to be erased because of the new rules about grounded opponents and 126 elbow is already changed. i'm not sure how true this is but this is hilarious to think of.

Yeah, I vaguely recall Dana mentioning that, but does he have a power to do that?
It doesn't make sense to me tbh. However stupid the rule was, it was an effective rule at that time, so breaking it was a legit disqualification. Law and rules should not work backwards.

I haven't heard that Dana says that, although he might have said that, but I have heard this interview of Dana,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9HqIMZAkbHU

As for Aspinal, for me though I will call him a hype job, he might have the interim belt and on a winning streak, but he can't keep Jones out of his out and that will be a real challenge for him to call Jones and see how he does and maybe he if wins then there's no question that he is no longer a hype job.

[notblox1]

Dana wasn't that keen on praising Jon when Francis became a champ. He even publicly hinted that Jon is scared of Francis. He made a 180 degrees turn when Ngannou decided to leave the UFC. It was not a good look to have the best heavyweight on the planet to be fighting in a competing organisation, so he started to peddle Jon as the best of all time. The reality is Jon has only one fight in the heavyweigh againt a guy who was never a champion.

Main problem here is the  UFC and Dana White, not the fighters.
They are the main reason why Ngannou and Jon Jones did not fight for a very long time.
Fighters are like gladiators to them, they need to own them as slaves with their contracts, and they keep lion share of earnings.

Tony Ferguson just announced retirement after losing against Chiesa, he didnt have to wait for so long, 8 losat fights in a row.

[electronicash]

I haven't heard that Dana says that, although he might have said that, but I have heard this interview of Dana,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9HqIMZAkbHU

As for Aspinal, for me though I will call him a hype job, he might have the interim belt and on a winning streak, but he can't keep Jones out of his out and that will be a real challenge for him to call Jones and see how he does and maybe he if wins then there's no question that he is no longer a hype job.

you could look at it that way but the mma community isn't a fan of interim. Dana always has a good marketing plan for fights and he could be taking advantage of Saudi Arabia's interest to making big fights to happen. Jones is just like Conor who would also be asking a huge cut which usually happens in boxing.

Dana wasn't that keen on praising Jon when Francis became a champ. He even publicly hinted that Jon is scared of Francis. He made a 180 degrees turn when Ngannou decided to leave the UFC. It was not a good look to have the best heavyweight on the planet to be fighting in a competing organisation, so he started to peddle Jon as the best of all time. The reality is Jon has only one fight in the heavyweigh againt a guy who was never a champion.

Main problem here is the  UFC and Dana White, not the fighters.
They are the main reason why Ngannou and Jon Jones did not fight for a very long time.
Fighters are like gladiators to them, they need to own them as slaves with their contracts, and they keep lion share of earnings.

Tony Ferguson just announced retirement after losing against Chiesa, he didnt have to wait for so long, 8 losat fights in a row.

its a hell of a career for Tony though. he was once a top fighter in his time.  Dana keep Tony going up to 9 loss, either he loves Tony too much or he punished him for whatever he did in the past. i don't know it this has happened in the past before Tony but its gotta be agonizing to a previous champ losing over and over like no one has ever advised him to retire.
my parlay lost, i won Sharabullet by decision though which is 4.60, at least the loss isn't so much.

[pawel7777]

As for Aspinal, for me though I will call him a hype job, he might have the interim belt and on a winning streak, but he can't keep Jones out of his out and that will be a real challenge for him to call Jones and see how he does and maybe he if wins then there's no question that he is no longer a hype job.

Aspinall did everything that he possibly could to earn the title of the HW champ.
He's not the one avoiding Jones and he puts a lot of effort to make it happen.
How will he do against Jones? I have no clue, but I just hope that fight will happen.

Tony Ferguson just announced retirement after losing against Chiesa, he didnt have to wait for so long, 8 losat fights in a row.

Are you referring to the post-fight interview? If so, he did not quite announced his retirement there. He explictly said he does not want to retire, but can't imagine fighting outside of the UFC (which is pressuring him to retire), so he said something about putting one glove away but keeping the other 
I sense we'll see him fighting for a different organisation soon.

[electronicash]

As for Aspinal, for me though I will call him a hype job, he might have the interim belt and on a winning streak, but he can't keep Jones out of his out and that will be a real challenge for him to call Jones and see how he does and maybe he if wins then there's no question that he is no longer a hype job.

Aspinall did everything that he possibly could to earn the title of the HW champ.
He's not the one avoiding Jones and he puts a lot of effort to make it happen.
How will he do against Jones? I have no clue, but I just hope that fight will happen.

Tony Ferguson just announced retirement after losing against Chiesa, he didnt have to wait for so long, 8 losat fights in a row.

Are you referring to the post-fight interview? If so, he did not quite announced his retirement there. He explictly said he does not want to retire, but can't imagine fighting outside of the UFC (which is pressuring him to retire), so he said something about putting one glove away but keeping the other 
I sense we'll see him fighting for a different organisation soon.

there is no promotion that will take Tony, he lost 9 consecutive times in UFC. maybe Karate Combat where the oldies are there like Luke Rockhold who Tony haven't fought yet.  it must be a sight to have two veterans in a box kicking each other.

so Dana was right after all. he sure should not have release the guy and just let him fight up to 15 losing streak. Dana was already devastated when UFC fighters lost against Jake Paul.

[pawel7777]

there is no promotion that will take Tony, he lost 9 consecutive times in UFC. maybe Karate Combat where the oldies are there like Luke Rockhold who Tony haven't fought yet.  it must be a sight to have two veterans in a box kicking each other.

so Dana was right after all. he sure should not have release the guy and just let him fight up to 15 losing streak. Dana was already devastated when UFC fighters lost against Jake Paul.

Plenty of smaller organisations would be more than happy to take Tony onboard. Karate Combat would be one of them. Of course he won't get any long term contract and would get paid much less than what he was getting in the UFC.
He still has a big name which could be used to prop up younger and prospective fighters, that coul make their names by defeating Tony.

Then again, if he's still on active contract with the UFC and does not intend to retire, they could just match him up with some easy opponent and hope for his win, thn he could re-kindle some of his hype back.

[Zed0X]

The UFC 305 card looks underwhelming or maybe I was just expecting more because it's Adesanya's return. Have you placed your bet already? I know Adesanya is the huge favorite but I want Du Plessis to win just for the sake of seeing memes about Dana being disappointed for losing another cash cow Out of all the current champions, I think only Sean and Alex are really marketable.

[electronicash]

The UFC 305 card looks underwhelming or maybe I was just expecting more because it's Adesanya's return. Have you placed your bet already? I know Adesanya is the huge favorite but I want Du Plessis to win just for the sake of seeing memes about Dana being disappointed for losing another cash cow Out of all the current champions, I think only Sean and Alex are really marketable.

UFC 305 Dricus du Plessis vs. Israel Adesanya is on August 18  and there is an event this weekend which is  the UFC on ESPN: Tybura vs. Spivac 2. these two are rivals at some point. there could be an unexpected result for this fight, they are explosiver fighters, its interesting that their first encounter was a decision.

for a fan, i think no one will missed UFC 305 though. we will find out of if DDP can make it, there are people saying he has higher chance to defeat Izzy.
the odds says otherwise. Adesanya is 1.74 while Dricus 2.11 on Stake. whatever the result, people will still expect him to fight Pereira for the 3rd time in UFC.

[electronicash]

Jon Jones teases retirement after Stipe Miocic fight expected at UFC 309
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mma/news/jon-jones-teases-retirement-stipe-miocic-ufc-309/dd8e4af7de9e6731e927205c

although jones been teasing retirement since last week, he did it  in response to a troll https://x.com/MMAUNCENSORED1/status/1821862176946115053

fans responded to him was that they are not surprised. jones been trolled over and over for not fighting Aspinall the defend his champ belt while Aspinall has to fight to defend his interim belt.

[pawel7777]

(...) and there is an event this weekend which is  the UFC on ESPN: Tybura vs. Spivac 2. these two are rivals at some point. there could be an unexpected result for this fight, they are explosiver fighters, its interesting that their first encounter was a decision. (...)

That fight didn't last very long, Spivac won by submission in 1:44 of the round 1.
I guess you could say the result was somewhat unexpected, I haven't checked the odds before the fight, but I imagine Tybura must've been the favourite, as he won their previous fight by decission back in 2020. Also, that was Tybura's first loss by submission in his career.
Then again, Serghei is known for his submission wins, so that was not a huge surprise.

[electronicash]

(...) and there is an event this weekend which is  the UFC on ESPN: Tybura vs. Spivac 2. these two are rivals at some point. there could be an unexpected result for this fight, they are explosiver fighters, its interesting that their first encounter was a decision. (...)

That fight didn't last very long, Spivac won by submission in 1:44 of the round 1.
I guess you could say the result was somewhat unexpected, I haven't checked the odds before the fight, but I imagine Tybura must've been the favourite, as he won their previous fight by decission back in 2020. Also, that was Tybura's first loss by submission in his career.
Then again, Serghei is known for his submission wins, so that was not a huge surprise.

Spivac is like a light heavy weight. moves very fast for a HW that's why he submitted Tyburia without even trying to get off of the situation like wiggle himself lose. and then Herb steps in. Its a waste since he turn the tide in the first minutes, Spivac was under him on the ground. can't say there will be a Tybura vs. Spivac 3. anyone will bet on Spivac the next time.

I think the next fight is DDP vs Adesanya already. maybe a hard KO will happen in this fight.

[pawel7777]

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I think the next fight is DDP vs Adesanya already. maybe a hard KO will happen in this fight.

Yup, the UFC 305 is taking place this weekend and it's looking good.
Adesanya is a favourite in this one, but I'm rooting for DuPlesis. KO is always possible, but I'm expecting it to go the full distance. Adesanya has only one KO win in his last seven fights, DPP's record is a bit better in this regard, but KOing Adesanya won't be an easy task.

Gamrot Vs Hooker also looks interesting. Gamrot is ranked 5th and is taking a gamble again by fighting a guy that is ranked 11th and Hooker will have a big home crowd advantage.