LIST - Bitcoin mixers & Tumbler services! ✅✅

[dkbit98]

What caught my attention is that they use coinjoin, they do not use jambler as many mixers we are used to.

They are only claiming to use CoinjJoin but I doubt they are actually using actual CoinJoin, they are just naming coinmixing that way, and they are not the first one doing that.
Original CoinJoin protocol is decentralized and there is no need to use centralized mixers for that.
I wouild also be very careful with any newly released mixers.

[bitmover]

Original CoinJoin protocol is decentralized and there is no need to use centralized mixers for that.
I wouild also be very careful with any newly released mixers.

Some coinjoins are not 100% decentralized, as some of them have centralized coordinators (such as wasabi).

There are still some wallets which make coinjoins, like ginger.

Isn't it a good idea to add such wallets, examplens?

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Isn't it a good idea to add such wallets, examplens?

Honestly, at some point, new Samurai fork wallets and coordinators suddenly started to appear, so I thought to wait for a certain period for reliable solutions to crystallize. Maybe I could add them to the list in the future.

[migueRt]

There are too many new wallets, and not all of them are trustworthy.

[dkbit98]

Some coinjoins are not 100% decentralized, as some of them have centralized coordinators (such as wasabi).

There are not ''some'' coinjoins, it's just one coinjoin, and that is decentralized... that is not related with coordinators.
All centralized mixers naming mixing as coinjoin is NOT COINJOIN.

Honestly, at some point, new Samurai fork wallets and coordinators suddenly started to appear, so I thought to wait for a certain period for reliable solutions to crystallize. Maybe I could add them to the list in the future.

Samurai didn't have same coordinators like Wasabi or Ginger wallet, since they used different implementation of Coinjoin - Whirlpool.

[bitmover]

Some coinjoins are not 100% decentralized, as some of them have centralized coordinators (such as wasabi).

There are not ''some'' coinjoins, it's just one coinjoin, and that is decentralized... that is not related with coordinators.

As far as I know, coinjoin is a method and strategy.  There are (and were) many implementations of coinjoin.

It was initially proposed by gmaxwell in BTT back in 2013, and is simple to mix the UTXO with other coinjoin participants. He also says there are many possible variations of the method.

The idea can also be used more casually. When you want to make a payment, find someone else who also wants to make a payment and make a joint payment together. Doing so doesn't increase privacy much, but it actually makes your transaction smaller and thus easier on the network (and lower in fees); the extra privacy is a perk.

Such a transaction is externally indistinguishable from a transaction created through conventional use. Because of this, if these transactions become widespread they improve the privacy even of people who do not use them, because no longer will input co-joining be strong evidence of common control.

There are many variations of this idea possible, and all can coexist because the idea requires no changes to the Bitcoin system. Let a thousand flowers bloom: we can have diversity in ways of accomplishing this and learn the best.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.0

[dkbit98]

It was initially proposed by gmaxwell in BTT back in 2013, and is simple to mix the UTXO with other coinjoin participants. He also says there are many possible variations of the method.

Yes I know but we saw only two variations in real life, that is Wasabi and Samourai, and they often acted hostile to each other.
They are both open source so everything can be checked and verified, and it works in decentralized way, except part with servers.
In centralized mixers you can't verify anything, since there is no source code, and everything is centralized... so it's not an actual coinjoin.

[Bobcrypto]

There are too many new wallets, and not all of them are trustworthy.

I think your are not following the discussion, it is actually about Bitcoin mixers, and not wallets. To have a better knowledge of mixers, there are many platforms to learn about mixers and you can obtain some lessons on Google search.
Now, i think that Coinjoin protocol systems has decentralized features, allowing decentralized mixing to enhance privacy without relying on the centralized services.

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There are too many new wallets, and not all of them are trustworthy.

I think your are not following the discussion, it is actually about Bitcoin mixers, and not wallets. To have a better knowledge of mixers, there are many platforms to learn about mixers and you can obtain some lessons on Google search.

You can point to https://bitmixlist.org/ because there is a lot of material about Bitcoin mixers, from how everything works to the interpretation of regulations and the legality of mixer services.

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Even though he lost trust earlier, let me mention this.
It seems that Yomix got on the Metamask blacklist including Ethereum Phishing Detector, SEAL, ChainPatrol, and PhishFort.



Maybe that doesn't mean much, we saw a similar thing at regular services and it was removed after the intervention. However, we will see how long it will take for Yomix to remove this mark if they try to do so at all.

[molchanovdmitry9]

Hey everyone,
I used Anonymixer’s services today, and they sent me a transaction with a very low fee of 2 sat/byte. Now it’s unclear when I’ll actually receive it, but I needed the money today. I emailed them, but no response so far—maybe they’ll see this here.

UPDATE I got money

[babo]

i found now this amazing page
Thanks for drawing up this very useful list
I wanted to say that it is important to have these lists since not many know what they often use and ask me what to use and when to use it and what fee there are
You have summarized everything, thanks +1 karma

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Hey everyone,
I used Anonymixer’s services today, and they sent me a transaction with a very low fee of 2 sat/byte. Now it’s unclear when I’ll actually receive it, but I needed the money today. I emailed them, but no response so far—maybe they’ll see this here.

UPDATE I got money

Glad everything is ok. I hope you didn't get your coins too late.
Anonymixer is one of the few that does not charge a fixed network fee, so they probably include the current active fee in the transaction in order not to be unnecessarily overpaid.
Fortunately, the mempool is currently quite empty, so 2 sat/vb is realized quickly.

i found now this amazing page

Yes, it seems that navigation on this forum is more complicated than what we are used to. You can see this in your forum award contest, where the voting thread is almost invisible. 

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bump.