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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2024, 02:35:38 PM »
Profit is indeed the main goal for everyone, no one trades to lose their money, that doesn't make sense. They will also definitely look for and try all ways to make their trading more effective to make a profit.

Unfortunately, some people, especially beginners, sometimes don't understand when they hear the reasons for entering the world of trading, they think trading is something easy.
Trading is not something easy and requires learning to be able to make analysis and have experience. Everyone who invests must be looking for profit, no one wants to lose, so we must have good experience and strategy in investing in order to make a profit.
There are many factors that we must learn and understand well, if we do not understand one of these factors well, it will harm us during trading.

This is not something that can be obtained from an instant process, it will take a long time to understand it all. While we are learning this, we must also have enough patience, because without patience we may leave because we give up on continuing to learn trading.

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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2024, 02:52:47 PM »
Trading is not something easy and requires learning to be able to make analysis and have experience. Everyone who invests must be looking for profit, no one wants to lose, so we must have good experience and strategy in investing in order to make a profit.
Actually, everything is not easy, even trading, long-term traders, investors or holders or whatever the finish line is to get money, it's all not easy... if getting money was as easy as it seems, surely poor people should no longer exist, right?

Between trading and long-term investment, both have their own risk profiles... experience and strategy are indeed very useful in this case, but what also needs to be considered is knowing our limits... because not everyone can start trading or long-term investment with limited financial conditions, or other limitations.

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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2024, 04:43:20 PM »
Long term traders are swing traders. They can buy a coin and not sell it until it is 2 weeks or more. But long term traders should see the coins in less than 2 or 3 months. If it is getting more than that, it is becoming short term holder.

Investors can hodl. It means that investors are holders. Holders invest in a coin for a long time without selling. They can hold the coin for 6 months, a year, 2 years or more.
I will not call investors that hodli their coins from 6 months to 3 years long term holder, they fall under the category of short term hodlers. This is because for bitcoin to complete its circle, it takes four years and a long term hodler must be able to hodli his coins for one full bitcoin circle so that he can experience all aspect of the market and make good profit from his bitcoin investment. Long-term investment is from 4-10 years and above, whoever can hodli his bitcoin within that duration is a long term hodler.

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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2024, 02:08:56 AM »
Long term traders are swing traders. They can buy a coin and not sell it until it is 2 weeks or more. But long term traders should see the coins in less than 2 or 3 months. If it is getting more than that, it is becoming short term holder.

Investors can hodl. It means that investors are holders. Holders invest in a coin for a long time without selling. They can hold the coin for 6 months, a year, 2 years or more.
I will not call investors that hodli their coins from 6 months to 3 years long term holder, they fall under the category of short term hodlers. This is because for bitcoin to complete its circle, it takes four years and a long term hodler must be able to hodli his coins for one full bitcoin circle so that he can experience all aspect of the market and make good profit from his bitcoin investment. Long-term investment is from 4-10 years and above, whoever can hodli his bitcoin within that duration is a long term hodler.
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.

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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2024, 09:18:08 PM »
Long term traders are swing traders. They can buy a coin and not sell it until it is 2 weeks or more. But long term traders should see the coins in less than 2 or 3 months. If it is getting more than that, it is becoming short term holder.

Investors can hodl. It means that investors are holders. Holders invest in a coin for a long time without selling. They can hold the coin for 6 months, a year, 2 years or more.
I will not call investors that hodli their coins from 6 months to 3 years long term holder, they fall under the category of short term hodlers. This is because for bitcoin to complete its circle, it takes four years and a long term hodler must be able to hodli his coins for one full bitcoin circle so that he can experience all aspect of the market and make good profit from his bitcoin investment. Long-term investment is from 4-10 years and above, whoever can hodli his bitcoin within that duration is a long term hodler.
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.
3-4 years is not a close time my friend, because for me it is quite long :)
long term hold we can do if we have free funds to hold and if we do not have it we can choose medium term with trading or daily trading for short term. I also do both because we have to diversify because short term will not always get profit especially when the market is not good and often there are corrections and it is difficult to go up.
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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #50 on: September 12, 2024, 10:48:43 PM »
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.

I will always recommend that people be long-term investors, so that they can be followed and see everything that can be achieved. Of course, that's simply my advice Personally, if I want to be a long-term investor, it's good The important thing is to be clear and base things on real things, how to hold the investment without taking it out That's the difficult part and that's where a good investor is measured For me, there's no other way Of course, for me, being a holder is something else, because it's someone who will never, under any circumstances , sell.
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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2024, 01:53:55 AM »
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.

I will always recommend that people be long-term investors, so that they can be followed and see everything that can be achieved. Of course, that's simply my advice Personally, if I want to be a long-term investor, it's good The important thing is to be clear and base things on real things, how to hold the investment without taking it out That's the difficult part and that's where a good investor is measured For me, there's no other way Of course, for me, being a holder is something else, because it's someone who will never, under any circumstances , sell.
Long-term investors are indeed safer and more profitable and we know that crypto, especially bitcoin, is very suitable for long-term holding because the price of bitcoin will get more expensive over time. But if we have a lot of time to trade, it is also a good way to make a profit, many have succeeded there even though the risk is high, but if we choose the top coin, I think the losses that will be incurred are very small because when we get stuck we can hold the coin and wait until the coin goes up in price again.

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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2024, 12:53:53 PM »
Investors: The person who have the good capital and know the fundamentals of projects so person can invest in project and sit tight for good return.
Trader : As we see in trend of social media all person are wishing to be a trader but due to lack of technical analysis knowledge they getting losses end of the day.Trading is hard as we have to watch the news up to date and taking time process.

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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #53 on: September 15, 2024, 09:07:06 PM »
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Practically I do not consider these three entities to be the same as each has a different meaning which is different in practice.

For example the Investors words what I understand that every investment in crypto like the short-term trading to the mid term trading to long-term trading.

And considering the holder and the long-term trader I thing these two are also different even then they are meaning to be same. Holders mean the upper level of long-term traders . These are my persernal point of view.

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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2024, 09:47:32 PM »
Do you consider these three entities mentioned in title same thing or different? If latter, what's difference between each of these entities?
Practically I do not consider these three entities to be the same as each has a different meaning which is different in practice.

For example the Investors words what I understand that every investment in crypto like the short-term trading to the mid term trading to long-term trading.

And considering the holder and the long-term trader I thing these two are also different even then they are meaning to be same. Holders mean the upper level of long-term traders . These are my persernal point of view.
I think, every term introduced in the context of the crypto world has a concrete meaning when implemented. For instance, the term ‘Investors’ can mean anything from day trading right up to and including blue sky investment. For instance, while holders are those that are loyal to an asset hence holding it most of the time, traders are those who are more engaged in exchanges. Thus, as much as there is cross over, the way and intent of each term is distinguishable when it comes to investing and trading.

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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2024, 03:59:22 PM »

Long-term investors are indeed safer and more profitable and we know that crypto, especially bitcoin, is very suitable for long-term holding because the price of bitcoin will get more expensive over time. But if we have a lot of time to trade, it is also a good way to make a profit, many have succeeded there even though the risk is high, but if we choose the top coin, I think the losses that will be incurred are very small because when we get stuck we can hold the coin and wait until the coin goes up in price again.

Well I have always said something , we should always try everything , investment, market Speculation And if that works , well we have to try , there we will realize if we are good for that or not , and if things do not go well in Trading , the investment will surely go well for us , because it is as you say, bitcoin will always be something safe, on the other hand in Trading if we do not know enough or even knowing we can lose, that is what we should see, of course that is different when a person dedicates himself only to one thing, or speculating in the market or just making investments.
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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2024, 04:29:58 PM »
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.

Long term is more easier because you can do other stuff both crypto stuffs and non crypto stuffs without any problems later but as for the daily trading, your time is of the essence and your knowledge distribution across crypto state is very necessary and not just that, your knowledge about the trend is important as well.

There is also times that you may not really make anything from the market doing daily or term holding because this market is uncertain most of the time. Even the long term sometimes don't yield profit quickly talk more of the short term holding
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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #57 on: September 17, 2024, 06:04:16 PM »
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.

Long term is more easier because you can do other stuff both crypto stuffs and non crypto stuffs without any problems later but as for the daily trading, your time is of the essence and your knowledge distribution across crypto state is very necessary and not just that, your knowledge about the trend is important as well.

There is also times that you may not really make anything from the market doing daily or term holding because this market is uncertain most of the time. Even the long term sometimes don't yield profit quickly talk more of the short term holding
Totally depends into your availability on which we know that when it comes into this aspect then it would really be your choice whether you would really be that going for long term approach
or you would really be that wanting to have that shorter ones? If you do have that time or you could go full time then you would really be doing it, but if you are someone who does have a job
then you would really be definitely be going into the other options on which you would really be just that simply buy and hold for long term until you do able to see some significant amount of profits that you've seen into your portfolio. Not all would really be that be able to fit out on such certain conditions, it will really be just that basing up on how well you do make
out such actions that would benefit you out.

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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #58 on: September 17, 2024, 07:09:42 PM »
I think, every term introduced in the context of the crypto world has a concrete meaning when implemented. For instance, the term ‘Investors’ can mean anything from day trading right up to and including blue sky investment. For instance, while holders are those that are loyal to an asset hence holding it most of the time, traders are those who are more engaged in exchanges. Thus, as much as there is cross over, the way and intent of each term is distinguishable when it comes to investing and trading.
I also do mean what you are saying right now in my post.
And I will agree with you that most of those who are short term traders or day traders are connected with exchangers but yes it should not be thought that long term investors or holders are not connected with any exchanger because even if they invest for long term there are exchangers need.
In fact, I want to explain that the issue is not how long a trader or investor or holder is connected with the exchange, the main issue is how their trading gap is and through the trading gap it can be determined in which category they fall.

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Re: Long term traders vs Investors vs Holders
« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2024, 07:12:59 PM »
Actually, being a long-term or short-term holder can be done simultaneously because we know that if we only hold long-term, we need funds that are not used for the near future, 3-4 years. While short-term trading we can get daily profits, if we do daily trading.

Long term is more easier because you can do other stuff both crypto stuffs and non crypto stuffs without any problems later but as for the daily trading, your time is of the essence and your knowledge distribution across crypto state is very necessary and not just that, your knowledge about the trend is important as well.

There is also times that you may not really make anything from the market doing daily or term holding because this market is uncertain most of the time. Even the long term sometimes don't yield profit quickly talk more of the short term holding
The long term is safer, if we hold bitcoin holds for the long term and target selling on the bullish season. This seems easy but we have to make a purchase at the time of bearish season where the price of Bitcoin is at the point and hold for 2-3 years waiting for Bullish Season. Even though the trading profit is higher than the long -term hold but the most big investor prefers long -term holds because they may have other stubbies in the real world.
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