Igebotz appeal for DragonF and Penlex_Writer

[Igebotz]

Hello, Hounarable court and judges,

Igebotz introduced account A https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=97910 to the Forum, few months later account A introduced account B https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=98343 to the forum using his phone to create an account for account B.

Now the registered IP addresses of A and B are the same and both accounts are tagged as Alts but realistically they're two different humans behind those accounts. Account A wasn't aware such IP address rules existed, he did it out of ignorance and I'm pleding for both accounts to be pardoned..

Account A also went ahead to introduced another account to the forum ( check ref) but the person wasn't convinced and the account is left inactive ( no posts). Account A is not farming, he's new to the system. I've asked him to create an account on BTT which he did but wasn't comfortable as much as he is here and left BTT for ALT

Account A and B are not Alts, they're two different posters behind those accounts. If account A is forced to accept account B as his Alt, account B will have no legitimate reasons to be here anymore.. ( this can be easily done, but I want justice for both accounts to exist on their own)


Why use his phone to create an account?? When you're desperate to introduce someone to a new place or website, the first step is always to open an account in their name and try to setup it up. Some of us are guilty of this.

If there's something else I don't know about the rules I stand to be corrected.. I'm here to vouch for these accounts.. the Admin and the president are not to be blamed in this as they're only doing what's right for the forum but I'm only asking this hounarable court to look into this and temper justice with mercy..

If there's any penalty fees to be paid for their mistakes - I will be much willing to pay it from my ALTT hodlings.

Thanks..

Regards
The Sheriff.

[dragononcrypto]

The court is not yet in session as we wait for a Judge to be appointed to this case. Nonetheless, numerous rules apply.

Discussion, speculation, contempt of court, and generally commenting, is forbidden in the Forum Court and it punishable by considerable -karma.  If you are part of the defense, you are encouraged to post your defense. The prosecution is also welcome to submit any evidence either publicly or to the appointed Judge. For any users disobeying these simple rules, I will be recommending -4 karma per offense (multiplied by 4 per offense: ie 16, 64, 256, etc). For any Senators/D team unnecessarily involving themself in this case, I will be recommending -10 per offence.

[Freemind]

For the moment I will only say two things regarding this matter...

The first of those things, however, you can read it here, anyway I will quote myself:

Ignorance of the laws does not exempt one from complying with them. Ignorance of a law (a forum rule in this case) is no excuse, as these rules have been written on the forum for many years, so it is the user's obligation to know them.

Personally, the first thing I did (even before registering my account on this forum) was read the rules that must be followed here. I don't understand why other users can't do the same and if anyone has any questions please ask where appropriate.

The second and last thing I want to say is a very simple question: Why are you the one taking the case to court and not the affected users?.

Thank you.

[Igebotz]

Personally, the first thing I did (even before registering my account on this forum) was read the rules that must be followed here. I don't understand why other users can't do the same and if anyone has any questions please ask where appropriate.

Thank you Mr. President

Being Ignorance of the law is one thing, but what does the law say about someone who is innocent?  I've been here for over four years and still don't know about all of the badges and strikes.

The second and last thing I want to say is a very simple question: Why are you the one taking the case to court and not the affected users?.

Thank you.

Mr. President, I introduced account A to the community, so I consider it my job to care after him and everyone he introduces to the forum.  What does the law say regarding third-party appeals?  Prohibited? 

Those accounts are unaware of the forum court's existence; it may be too simple for you, but this forum is difficult to navigate.  Mr. President, I would not get involved if I didn't think they were innocent.  If he was farming, I would have told him to pay $5 and skip all the hassle.

Mr. President those accounts are not farmers and are not alts -  I want the judge to look thoroughly look at their posting pattern- and should be pardoned for their newbie mistake. They're not teleported accounts, this is their only home..

Thank you ..

You're not allowed to post here - talking about third party appeals and yet can't read the rules.

[Igebotz]

It's been 4 days since I made this appeal, no respond from the judge, the admin. This is a democratic Forum and I believe the allegations against those accounts should be dropped if there's no evidence of farming and if the forum can't prove that those accounts are indeed operated by the same person beyond just registration IP addresses.

If the forum can not revise incorrect decisions, then it's not longer a democratic Forum and why do we have the court.

If the community are not allowed to post here, I will create another topic on the forum board where the community can freely express themselves.

[Jokers]

It's been 4 days since I made this appeal, no respond from the judge, the admin.

I looked through this case and don't see enough data for making any conclusions. As Freemind noted, no one of affected users came to share their position, so as a judge I don't see what to work with.

Other judges can have their own point of view on this case, this is just my personal intermediate thought.

If the community are not allowed to post here, I will create another topic on the forum board where the community can freely express themselves.

As far as I remember, no one dissuaded you from this.

[admin]

in the cases where the ip changes everyday it is really difficult to tell,
is it foul play to change the ip ? in a normal context based on privacy i would say no, but when signature campaigns enter into play then the chances increase dramatically.

What can be done in this case, here's a suggestion,
we can remove zoom 1, but the users will not be allowed to have a signature
and they should stop changing ips, if within 2 weeks - 1 month we can clearly establish that there is no connection, then they will be authorised to have signatures again.

Every signature that goes to a fake user, is a signature taken from real members

this is only a suggestion, if a judge have another proposal why not

[Igebotz]

in the cases where the ip changes everyday it is really difficult to tell,
is it foul play to change the ip ? in a normal context based on privacy i would say no, but when signature campaigns enter into play then the chances increase dramatically.

What can be done in this case, here's a suggestion,
we can remove zoom 1, but the users will not be allowed to have a signature
and they should stop changing ips, if within 2 weeks - 1 month we can clearly establish that there is no connection, then they will be authorised to have signatures again.

I'm not sure there's any Nigerian account with 1 IP address because of the poor Internet network situation, an average Nigerian uses 2-4 Internet provider sims and you're forced to rotates, use public network, work network in our daily lives. If they can't use signature for 2weeks - 1 month no problem, they can cope with that.

They are reading this post - for the IP they would try to limit loging into the forum with different IP addresses for now. Another problem is we can't limit their movement as there are locations they might travel to, within this time that would require them to change Internet network provider.

Every signature that goes to a fake user, is a signature taken from real members

You entrusted a community into my hands, I will not stand for what is not true, I'm not called the sheriff for nothing, I'm known for busting Alts and cheaters on BTT. I will not support it here, any member of my community found quity of account farming and cheating, I will personally report them.. pardon this members, they're not cheaters. Thanks.

[alltalk]

I looked through this case and don't see enough data for making any conclusions. As Freemind noted, no one of affected users came to share their position, so as a judge I don't see what to work with.

You're right. Judges have no data related to this case. So we can't help and can't decide any conclusion. As far as I know, judges have never been asked to decide anything and have not shared any evidence since the red dot was implemented in the forum. CMIIW

Sure, the affected users actually need to respond it themselves. So this can be clearer. They can't rely on another user.

Other judges can have their own point of view on this case, this is just my personal intermediate thought.

I think we almost have the same point of view. 

in the cases where the ip changes everyday it is really difficult to tell,
is it foul play to change the ip ? in a normal context based on privacy i would say no, but when signature campaigns enter into play then the chances increase dramatically.

Agree. Actually, there is no problem to change IP, it is normal that someone may change his/her IP due to privacy purpose. If there is something unnatural, I think the campaign manager must be aware of it.

What can be done in this case, here's a suggestion,
we can remove zoom 1, but the users will not be allowed to have a signature
and they should stop changing ips, if within 2 weeks - 1 month we can clearly establish that there is no connection, then they will be authorised to have signatures again.

I think this is a wise solution for this case.  At least, make sure that they have no connections first. Then, they can apply again to join signature if they finally can prove to have no any connection.

I'm not sure there's any Nigerian account with 1 IP address because of the poor Internet network situation, an average Nigerian uses 2-4 Internet provider sims and you're forced to rotates, use public network, work network in our daily lives. If they can't use signature for 2weeks - 1 month no problem, they can cope with that.

They are reading this post - for the IP they would try to limit loging into the forum with different IP addresses for now. Another problem is we can't limit their movement as there are locations they might travel to, within this time that would require them to change Internet network provider.

Mate, Admin has advised with a wise solution. If you can contact those members, you need to try suggesting them to do what Admin has said above. I know the connection may be a difficult problem in Nigeria, but you must have an idea to deal with the connection issue.