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[dragononcrypto]

The karma requirements will directly effect existing users. It will be a requirement to rank up, only users won't be demoted for lacking the current requirement. Same as btt when it happened basically, ie not done retrospectively. Obviously no karma airdrop as we are not starting from scratch on karma here, there is already plenty distributed, more than enough for all high quality users to rank up without delays, as many are simply lacking activity requirements.

No Karma airdrop? What about teleported users?

What about them? They still get to teleport their rank regardless.


Anyway in other news I've called a snap election for President in the Senate, for Freemind as Pres and Jokers as VP. Will see how that goes I guess.

6th Presidential election - 05/04/25 ⏳
* I called snap election in the senate, recommending Freemind as President and Jokers as VP.

[examplens]

No Karma airdrop? What about teleported users?

What about them? They still get to teleport their rank regardless.


Anyway in other news I've called a snap election for President in the Senate, for Freemind as Pres and Jokers as VP. Will see how that goes I guess.

This is actually a good question.
Will the teleported members also get karma points in accordance with the forum rank or will they still start from 0 as before, regardless of the rank.
This should definitely be defined before implementation

[Igebotz]

The karma requirements will directly effect existing users. It will be a requirement to rank up, only users won't be demoted for lacking the current requirement. Same as btt when it happened basically, ie not done retrospectively. Obviously no karma airdrop as we are not starting from scratch on karma here, there is already plenty distributed, more than enough for all high quality users to rank up without delays, as many are simply lacking activity requirements.

No Karma airdrop? What about teleported users?

What about them? They still get to teleport their rank regardless.

Asking if they're going to have default required X karma airdrop to them based on the new karma system or we're still going to have teleported legendary account with 0 karma instead of 250.

This should definitely be defined before implementation

Just previewed and was about to post before your post came in..

[dragononcrypto]

No Karma airdrop? What about teleported users?

What about them? They still get to teleport their rank regardless.


Anyway in other news I've called a snap election for President in the Senate, for Freemind as Pres and Jokers as VP. Will see how that goes I guess.

This is actually a good question.
Will the teleported members also get karma points in accordance with the forum rank or will they still start from 0 as before, regardless of the rank.
This should definitely be defined before implementation

An amendment to the current approved proposal may be in order here, as personally I'd vote yes, but senators may disagree.

Should I create an amendment to the proposal? Assking senators opinion here specifically, as is relevant t for consensus.

[examplens]

An amendment to the current approved proposal may be in order here, as personally I'd vote yes, but senators may disagree.

Should I create an amendment to the proposal? (Asking senators opinion here specifically, as is relevant t for consensus).

I think it's worth discussing. In some cases, it can cause additional questions during the teleport, because we have already seen that any insufficiently explained rule can cause additional drama.
It should definitely be defined preventively. In the end, it is the admin who will most often be the target of these questions.

[dragononcrypto]

An amendment to the current approved proposal may be in order here, as personally I'd vote yes, but senators may disagree.

Should I create an amendment to the proposal? (Asking senators opinion here specifically, as is relevant t for consensus).

I think it's worth discussing. In some cases, it can cause additional questions during the teleport, because we have already seen that any insufficiently explained rule can cause additional drama.
It should definitely be defined preventively. In the end, it is the admin who will most often be the target of these questions.

I'll wait to hear from admin on this issue firsty, as it;s an important one, and admin may have strong feelings about this aspect,

[admin]

karma is earned, no karma granted with teleport
unless it is a special rank like patrons, royalty, donors , vip etc ... see shop

[dragononcrypto]

karma is earned, no karma granted with teleport
unless it is a special rank like royalty, donors , vip etc ... see shop

Sounds great 

[Jokers]

No Karma airdrop? What about teleported users?

should a legendary account from BTT teleported here they should have a default 250 karma in the new Karma rules except the new Karma rules would stop the teleporting process.

There's totally no need in that. The ranking system of our forum is based on activity, all requirements just freeze activity growth if not met. Since we don't airdrop time spent online, we have no need in dropping anything required for ranking just to teleport, activity is enough.

[dragononcrypto]

karma is earned, no karma granted with teleport
unless it is a special rank like patrons, royalty, donors , vip etc ... see shop

There's totally no need in that. The ranking system of our forum is based on activity, all requirements just freeze activity growth if not met. Since we don't airdrop time spent online, we have no need in dropping anything required for ranking just to teleport, activity is enough.

So to clarify, as I haven't fully understand both of your positions on this, would the teleporting process be:

A) Teleport rank; teleport activity, thus achieve rank teleportation. Ie no karma requirement for teleported ranks, but obviously ranking up from there would require it.
B) Teleport activity; teleport activity, no rank teleported as lacks required karma. Teleported users rank up much quicker due to activity teleportation.

Obviously there would be no karma teleported, that much is clear already, but are we talking about changing the teleportation system? This is like another topic altogether really...

Personally I'm inclined to think the second option makes sense, but there are many pitfalls as it were. We've had the teleporting option for 4+ years now, if users haven't teleported their account by now than it makes me wonder why the hell not, mainly. Tho I do still see newly teleported members arrive, that otherwise wouldn't have likely joined up to rank up if it weren't for teleporting rank, and then there are the users who joined btt in the past few years, ranked up, teleport here, which totally makes sense and should remain encouraged.

Option B would by default disable teleporting rank, which would be a dramatic change, and would very well discourage users from teleporting in future. Ranking up by teleporting activity would otherwise be a very quick thing to do, even rewarding one might say, at least to get to senior/hero member I think. Definitely do-able in a month or two for high quality users.

The bigger question is the following: Is this forum popular enough, a big enough community etc, to change the teleporting process? Probably not is the answer here.

Therefore sticking to the original approved proposal, and leaving teleporting system along makes most sense to me for now. Also probably best to see how karma requirements for rank promotion plays out first, before trying to change more aspects. We can always review teleportation again in say 6-12 months based on new karma requirements implementation. I have a hunch that admin also has no desire in changing the teleporting system, so probably don't need to make senate proposal or anything afterall.

[Freemind]

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The bigger question is the following: Is this forum popular enough, a big enough community etc, to change the teleporting process? Probably not is the answer here.

The answer to that question is no. Although the forum is growing (the numbers speak for themselves), it's not yet popular enough.

In my opinion, there's no need to change the teleportation system. When a user teleports an account to this forum, he should receive the activity granted by their default rank (as it has always been done), but karma should be generated in the traditional way, as it has always been done.

I also want to remind you that initiatives like this reward Karma to the most active users and those who contribute the most to the forum in terms of preventing spam and other types of abuse:

Moving Karma and avoiding abuse.

Initiatives like @examplens' idea to make our forum account more secure also grant Karma:

✅ Stake your Bitcoin address.

Earning Karma to reach new ranks would not be very difficult for users with a minimum of experience and who have normal activity.

But as I always say, that's just my opinion.

[Jokers]

but are we talking about changing the teleportation system?

No, I just additionally noted that no karma drop was meant from the very beginning, because rank teleporting needs activity numbers only. But right, to achieve newer ranks after the teleportation all previously required conditions must be met.

[dragononcrypto]

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Well that settles it then, no need for admin to waste his breath here unless he has more than cents to add.

PS - That almost looked like a President & VP combined decision 

(this comment will age better in the near future)

[Fivestar4everMVP]

but are we talking about changing the teleportation system?

No, I just additionally noted that no karma drop was meant from the very beginning, because rank teleporting needs activity numbers only. But right, to achieve newer ranks after the teleportation all previously required conditions must be met.

Let me understand this correctly, so let's say I am a hero member on the other forum and just signed up here and requested a teleportation of my other forum's rank to my newly created account here on this forum..

What will be increased on my altcoinstalks account is my Activity level to enable my teleportation to Hero member, no karma will be added on my account here based on my other forum's earned merits? Which in other word simply means that it's possible for a new user on this forum to become a hero member even with zero karma by the reason of or due to teleportation?

[Freemind]

Let me understand this correctly, so let's say I am a hero member on the other forum and just signed up here and requested a teleportation of my other forum's rank to my newly created account here on this forum..

What will be increased on my altcoinstalks account is my Activity level to enable my teleportation to Hero member, no karma will be added on my account here based on my other forum's earned merits? Which in other word simply means that it's possible for a new user on this forum to become a hero member even with zero karma by the reason of or due to teleportation?

What you say is correct. Only the activity required to become a Hero member would be awarded, but no Karma would be granted. Therefore, that user would have to earn Karma through traditional means to access higher ranks. The user would start the journey on the forum as a Hero member but with 0 Karma.