An idea from Findingnemo about new threads

[Faisal2202]

Both have shared a good and postive idea that will encourage more users to start new topics and in all those topics the quality should be prioritze first thus in the chase of karma many might compromise the quality but I guess that is not a problem too because we have reporter too.

Overall I loved the PXZ idea the most I mean someone who started most of the topic would get +30 karma that's insane I doubt if the admin will agree to that big amount maybe to a small amount. I would never win this reward when one of the competitior is you (op) haha as you also made a lot of topics. BTW will local topics be counted or not?

[Findingnemo]

Overall I loved the PXZ idea the most I mean someone who started most of the topic would get +30 karma that's insane I doubt if the admin will agree to that big amount maybe to a small amount. I would never win this reward when one of the competitior is you (op) haha as you also made a lot of topics. BTW will local topics be counted or not?

If we skip quality, and only take the number of topics then the shiller will always be on the top and I doubt it will just be purely number based. It's a lot of work to scrutinize them either so we can help in any possible way for the staffs to organize the forum in a better way.

[Freemind]

That can be a double edged sword, it sure will help with more topics created but at the same time chances of flooding with unnecessary spam topics is there so it has to be given for the deserving candidates only.
I expect you guys to come up with new topics instead of beating around the bush.

I know, that's why I said I have to think about it more carefully, but I would like to distribute those tokens so that the users are more encouraged and thus be able to ask the administrator for more to be able to do something every month for example. Honestly, I'm a little stuck on this.

I didn't even know about this initiative until now.
Freemind, shouldn't you have given a little more precise conditions because it seems like you'll be rewarding every mega thread, regardless of the quality of the topic and the discussions within it?

btw, the PX-Z' tool doesn't seem to work because it fails to show all the data https://pxzone.online/altt Oops. It works after several refreshes.

You're right, I have to be more precise with the information about it, but I haven't decided anything yet as you can see. When the time comes I will give all the information possible.

If we skip quality, and only take the number of topics then the shiller will always be on the top and I doubt it will just be purely number based. It's a lot of work to scrutinize them either so we can help in any possible way for the staffs to organize the forum in a better way.

You have nothing to worry about, I am very clear about how things would be, and quantity would never come before quality.

[KingsDen]

Is the whole idea centred at encouraging starting a thread? If so, I would advise we go natural and everything will eventually fall in place because I am sensing huge abuse of the privilege. But if there is a clear thought out ways to handle this, it wouldn't be much of a problem.

[Faisal2202]

If we skip quality, and only take the number of topics then the shiller will always be on the top and I doubt it will just be purely number based. It's a lot of work to scrutinize them either so we can help in any possible way for the staffs to organize the forum in a better way.

You are right, if quality will be compromised shillers can easily get 30+ karma but if we just add another rules about the quality of the topics where if someone will try to spam will get -30 karma.

This will discourage any shiller to avoid spamming just to chase +30 karma. Overall the ideas of rewarding users with karma is awesome.

[Mia Chloe]

I always keep in mind that there could be users who try to abuse these initiatives, but I think it is a risk that must be taken to try to obtain more participation in the forum. In fact, in the previous initiative (Moving Karma and avoiding abuse) we have not had any cases of abuse from users, which is a good sign. Although as I said then, it's all a matter of trying to see how things develop.

This is a nice idea. The focus though is not only to increase the numbers of threads and topics being created here rather to also simultaneously improve quality too. This means that these threads have to be proof checked to avoid low quality and spam posts just for the benefits of making a thread and not really to improve the community.
Also another possible and feasible idea is for more quality posts to be reported for rewards like this to actually encourage quality posters too.

[examplens]

If we skip quality, and only take the number of topics then the shiller will always be on the top and I doubt it will just be purely number based. It's a lot of work to scrutinize them either so we can help in any possible way for the staffs to organize the forum in a better way.

You have nothing to worry about, I am very clear about how things would be, and quantity would never come before quality.

An option to display karma points per post (in this case, even better for a thread) would come in handy here. This would make this kind of initiative quite easy, simply the thread with the most given karma points could be considered to contain a quality discussion.

This will discourage any shiller to avoid spamming just to chase +30 karma. Overall the ideas of rewarding users with karma is awesome.

Karma still has no special importance on the forum, it is more like a decoration. It almost doesn't matter whether a user has 10 karma points or 200. If that were to change, then maybe we could talk about discouragement.

[Freemind]

Is the whole idea centred at encouraging starting a thread? If so, I would advise we go natural and everything will eventually fall in place because I am sensing huge abuse of the privilege. But if there is a clear thought out ways to handle this, it wouldn't be much of a problem.

No, the idea (in fact it's not even an idea yet) is based on useful threads, which are positive for the forum, for the users. I know it wouldn't be easy, but I think it's worth a try.

This is a nice idea. The focus though is not only to increase the numbers of threads and topics being created here rather to also simultaneously improve quality too. This means that these threads have to be proof checked to avoid low quality and spam posts just for the benefits of making a thread and not really to improve the community.
Also another possible and feasible idea is for more quality posts to be reported for rewards like this to actually encourage quality posters too.

That is the basis of everything, useful threads, not many threads that say nothing or that repeat something that has been said thousands of times. Yes, all threads will be checked one by one.

But there are still many things to think about.

An option to display karma points per post (in this case, even better for a thread) would come in handy here. This would make this kind of initiative quite easy, simply the thread with the most given karma points could be considered to contain a quality discussion.

I don't know if you read (when I find it I'll put it somewhere) a post from the admin, in which he said that he was postponing the Karma counter in the threads due to the many problems and errors that this generated in the forum.

[Findingnemo]

I don't know if you read (when I find it I'll put it somewhere) a post from the admin, in which he said that he was postponing the Karma counter in the threads due to the many problems and errors that this generated in the forum.

Yeah, that's right. He tried to make changes and while trying the Karma system got crashed for a week or more and then only after he said that he is not going to touch anything about Karma for a while. And the thing that is complicating the change is the Karma is given to the profiles not to the posts so there's no way of knowing how many Karma the thread received unless the system get complete restructure.

[Faisal2202]

Karma still has no special importance on the forum, it is more like a decoration. It almost doesn't matter whether a user has 10 karma points or 200. If that were to change, then maybe we could talk about discouragement.

Now it might not have any special importance but still it looks good on profile and if I am not wrong I think we can conver our Karmas into tokens (ALTT). If that's correct then it do have special importance but I think I might have mis-read the thread.

Overall We should be talking about discouragement because it's about quality, not about numbers of topics, if the quality is being compromised with useless topics, then the D.Team will report it that's for sure but still to make a point a statement must be given.

[KingsDen]

Karma still has no special importance on the forum, it is more like a decoration. It almost doesn't matter whether a user has 10 karma points or 200. If that were to change, then maybe we could talk about discouragement.

Now it might not have any special importance but still it looks good on profile and if I am not wrong I think we can conver our Karmas into tokens (ALTT). If that's correct then it do have special importance but I think I might have mis-read the thread.

Overall We should be talking about discouragement because it's about quality, not about numbers of topics, if the quality is being compromised with useless topics, then the D.Team will report it that's for sure but still to make a point a statement must be given.

Maybe soon, signature campaign managers will start hiring participants based on the number of earned karma just as it is done in the other forum. Even if the karma represents nothing at all, some people will still want theirs to be higher since numbers are involved.

#admin instead of losing the karma system you have already in quest of amendment, just leave it and plan for total change in the future.

[Faisal2202]

Maybe soon, signature campaign managers will start hiring participants based on the number of earned karma just as it is done in the other forum. Even if the karma represents nothing at all, some people will still want theirs to be higher since numbers are involved.

#admin instead of losing the karma system you have already in quest of amendment, just leave it and plan for total change in the future.

You are right as maybe managers might be considering karma even now. We don't know that as they have not explicitly said that we also look into numbers of karma while on BTT they mentioned on every campaign that we take many factors into account and merit gained was one of them.

Overall on btt merit was needed to get rank and here it is not but still karma can become very important if admin decides to change the system as you requested.

[bitterguy28]

If we skip quality, and only take the number of topics then the shiller will always be on the top and I doubt it will just be purely number based. It's a lot of work to scrutinize them either so we can help in any possible way for the staffs to organize the forum in a better way.

it is so easy to make new posts, new topics but it does not mean those new posts will be of quality and will actually generate good discussion among the forum

i still think posts counts should be rewarded but under certain conditions like maybe a post should have a certain amount of characters in order to be counted because if we just count the posts without checking its quality for sure this forum will be filled with useless, not thought provoking, and misinformation even

[Findingnemo]

i still think posts counts should be rewarded but under certain conditions like maybe a post should have a certain amount of characters in order to be counted because if we just count the posts without checking its quality for sure this forum will be filled with useless, not thought provoking, and misinformation even

It's practically an impossible task to automate the quality of content cause it's neither decided by how many characters or even how many how many views on that post/thread. That's why we got to balance the thing with Karma system and ranking and posts are not counted in particular boards, finally the badges that deal with the abusers.

[Freemind]

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Overall on btt merit was needed to get rank and here it is not but still karma can become very important if admin decides to change the system as you requested.

I don't think the admin will change the Karma system, unless it's part of the "big change or update" he said a few days ago. But it is possible that campaign managers, at some point, take into account users' Karma to accept them in campaigns. I think it's a matter of numbers, the more users who request to participate, the more conditions will have to be met, but those are just my assumptions.

it is so easy to make new posts, new topics but it does not mean those new posts will be of quality and will actually generate good discussion among the forum

i still think posts counts should be rewarded but under certain conditions like maybe a post should have a certain amount of characters in order to be counted because if we just count the posts without checking its quality for sure this forum will be filled with useless, not thought provoking, and misinformation even

It's true, making new posts is easy, but generating a conversation in which users participate is not always easy.

Posts are already rewarded, on the one hand, they are rewarded with new ranks, with points that you can exchange for ALTT tokens, and very good posts/threads, are rewarded with Karma, which can possibly also be exchanged for ALTT tokens in the future.

My "idea" was for example a thread like this: ✅ Stake your Bitcoin address. This thread (which should definitely get an extra reward) not only makes users a little more secure in their forum accounts, but it also makes people learn a little more about how Bitcoin works, and that, in my opinion, has a lot of value.

There's a lot to think about to get it right, but it's worth it when it comes to improving the user experience.